Communist Core math

[Paul65K]

I just barfed all over my bagel 

Now that's funny

[C-2]

Does anyone know if charter schools have to follow common core?

Don't know about charter, but my daughter attends a private school and they follow it.

[riverrunner1984]

Don't know about charter, but my daughter attends a private school and they follow it.

Wow I would have never thought private schools would follow it...

[2manymustangs]

I just barfed all over my bagel ��

THis post is worthless without pics...

[Eli]

I'm just glad I don't have kids, I wouldn't be calm about not being able to help them with their homework.

The positive side is most of the parents on this site are great parents and will figure out how to help with homework. I have a girlfriend who is a teacher, I'm going to pick her brain today.


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[HB Vic]

THis post is worthless without pics...

Lmfao. Thanks for the laugh buddy

[2manymustangs]

Wow I would have never thought private schools would follow it...

Homeschool is the way to go... You can teach your kids the way you wish... It is highly organized and there are several curriculum providers to choose from, one of my close friends creates/publishes/sells U.S. HISTORY home school curriculum...

There are MANY tight knit homeschool groups where the parents take turns teaching certain subjects based on their vocation/profession/degrees/interest...

There are also MANY homeschool oriented athletic/sports/social events...

[SnoC653]

I get the reason why people have to learn long multiplication, which we use calculators for, but what's the deal with changing math that we already don't do without a calculator? Are they trying to make it even less necessary to learn?

I'd raise hell and shout "One Nation Under God" in between the "WTF is this" comments.


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There is more to it than what has been discussed. But, there is sufficient grounds for some to be concerned. I'll go into my view at the end of this post.

Greg:

I see what he did and why the product didn’t match the correct answer, when he multiplied 70x2 he is really actually multiplying 70x20 because the "2" is in the tens column. SO when adding the product of 70x2 (140) and the product of 70x7 (490) he should have the 140 shifted to the left so that it is 1+0 then 4+4 then 9+0 then lastly 0+0 for a sum of 1890

I'm with you, I fought these new techniques, quick ways, improved ideas and finally gave up and let my wife handle it... :( I don't know what to tell U broHAM...

Bruce the method you described was called new math back in the 60's. Remember your parents ranting about it when they tried to help you with your homework?

In that case I won't mention how this is just one more way for the left to indoctrinate future generations and dumb them down so they won't be able to see what this country is becoming........as I wouldn't want to give you indigestion this early in the morning

Is it really? While I'm not a fan of Common Core, the problem as I see it is most people don't understand what it really is. Let me start by saying while I have no kids in school (except grandkids) and my wife is a special needs pre-school teacher; I feel your pain. Correction: I felt your pain. As I mentioned above in the 60's it was new math. I would get problems marked wrong on a consistent basis for not showing my work. The answers were all right, but without showing the process the work was marked wrong. And the same is happening here. The answer is a fact. The questions aren't marked wrong because of factual deficiencies, they are marked wrong because what was being taught, the real common core if you will, was the process to get to the answer. If the process isn't used the student did not learn the lesson as assigned and taught. Therefore the question is wrong even though the factual answer presented was correct. In some of the examples shown, the student not only didn't learn the process but got the answer wrong as a result. It is immaterial that the student can use another process and generate the correct factual answer. The answer isn't being taught, the process is.

So why should our children be taught to follow the process (rules)? Surely no parent really needs to ask this? Yet rather than teaching them to work within the system, parents consistently teach that results matter more than following the rules. If you can get the right result with no consequences and put forth less effort, then all is good. We teach it by example every day. Yes our children should follow the rules, but that speed limit rule is just as inconvenient as using the new math process, so it is OK to ignore it. As long as we don't get caught and the outcome is right. And if we are caught, we complain that the rule is stupid and should be done away with, not that know we didn't follow it. In the case of common core, our kids don't have to complain that the process is stupid, their parents are doing it for them.

Now that I've expanded on what was beat into me when I was younger, let me say that teaching to the lowest standard attainable by most is plain stupidity. It's not really no child left behind, it is everyone else stop and wait. Common Core has some serious flaws. Predominantly in the areas of what is considered acceptable learning levels and the fact that it is a one size fits all program, rather than an individually measured and challenged learning environment. But, are people really willing to pay for enough teachers to teach children on an individual basis? Are they willing to put in the time and work at home that is required to help their children reach their maximum potential? And most importantly are they willing to teach their children at home that following the rules is required or there are consequences? If the education process is left up to the school to cover all this and much more, because the parents feel it is not their responsibility to do so, then Common Core is what you wind up with. Yes they may learn the factual answers, but more importantly they are taught to follow a system of complicated rules and how to apply those rules to get an acceptable answer. Face it, kids in school can't follow simple rules like dress codes, do their parents care? Does a concerned and involved parent really not have the time nor the ability to monitor what their child wears to school?

Everybody has time to complain about the solutions the "system" tries to implement to fix problems, but nobody seems to have the time to fix the problems before they become the "system's" problems.

[SnoC653]

Homeschool is the way to go... You can teach your kids the way you wish... It is highly organized and there are several curriculum providers to choose from, one of my close friends creates/publishes/sells U.S. HISTORY home school curriculum...

There are MANY tight knit homeschool groups where the parents take turns teaching certain subjects based on their vocation/profession/degrees/interest...

There are also MANY homeschool oriented athletic/sports/social events...

You do realize that even the homeschool curriculums will need to be adjusted to cover the common core processes? Home schooled children still have to pass state mandated assessment testing, which is being revised in most states to cover the common core curriculum.

I do agree that home schooling has many advantages if the parents are willing to put in the time and effort to do the job right. Unfortunately, most people won't put forth the effort or lack the skills required to do the job right. And many home schooled children lack in social skill sets due to their isolation from their pier groups.

Most of us remember the trouble we got into and the good times we had with other kids we went to school with. Kids need time to grow and be kids without constant parental control (not to be confused with parental awareness and guidance). Integration is a critical part of the social school life and most home schooled children lack in this area.

[MrDenton]

Thanks for even further enlightenment Snoc. Anyone else see the hypocrisy in the logic behind common core? They want to teach our kids to follow the rules when the very same people that are pushing this are the #1 rule breakers.
Almost sounds like they're producing a bunch of mindless sheep that will follow the rules all the way to slaughter. Because the end result isn't important, what's important is you were a good quiet little sheep.


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