Communist Core math

[HB Vic]

THis post is worthless without pics...

Lmfao. Thanks for the laugh buddy

[Eli]

I'm just glad I don't have kids, I wouldn't be calm about not being able to help them with their homework.

The positive side is most of the parents on this site are great parents and will figure out how to help with homework. I have a girlfriend who is a teacher, I'm going to pick her brain today.


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[MrDenton]

Thanks for even further enlightenment Snoc. Anyone else see the hypocrisy in the logic behind common core? They want to teach our kids to follow the rules when the very same people that are pushing this are the #1 rule breakers.
Almost sounds like they're producing a bunch of mindless sheep that will follow the rules all the way to slaughter. Because the end result isn't important, what's important is you were a good quiet little sheep.


Oath Keeper

[MrDenton]

I never called a teacher a rule breaker. They're just good quiet little sheep too. The elected officials that are forcing this shit down our throats is who I was referring to.
I got to great lengths to teach my son rules and discipline. He is also being taught to think for himself. Believe nothing you hear and only half if what you see or read.
My wife is a stay at home mom, she's been his home tutor for his entire life. Her biggest beef with CC is the inability to help him with this. There are NO sample pages, NO written method to read, NO explanation of how to do the work. It's like it's a big secret that the parents aren't allowed in on. Luckily my wife is smarter than the average bear and she's figured it out.
Home schooling to me isn't something is want for Dylan. We have a few kids across the street that home school. They do a lot of social activities but I've noticed they don't take direction well from other adults. I think it's because mom is the only one that's ever taught them anything.
For us as parents, we'd like to be included in the process rather than blindly sending our kids off to be taught/brainwashed the new way if doing things.
As for not being a good parent because I'd pawn him off on the schools to be taught by someone else? Pretty ignorant statement. Can't even reply to that without wanting to throat punch someone.


Oath Keeper

[SnoC653]

I never called a teacher a rule breaker. They're just good quiet little sheep too. The elected officials that are forcing this shit down our throats is who I was referring to.
I got to great lengths to teach my son rules and discipline. He is also being taught to think for himself. Believe nothing you hear and only half if what you see or read.
My wife is a stay at home mom, she's been his home tutor for his entire life. Her biggest beef with CC is the inability to help him with this. There are NO sample pages, NO written method to read, NO explanation of how to do the work. It's like it's a big secret that the parents aren't allowed in on. Luckily my wife is smarter than the average bear and she's figured it out.
Home schooling to me isn't something is want for Dylan. We have a few kids across the street that home school. They do a lot of social activities but I've noticed they don't take direction well from other adults. I think it's because mom is the only one that's ever taught them anything.
For us as parents, we'd like to be included in the process rather than blindly sending our kids off to be taught/brainwashed the new way if doing things.
As for not being a good parent because I'd pawn him off on the schools to be taught by someone else? Pretty ignorant statement. Can't even reply to that without wanting to throat punch someone.


Oath Keeper

I love a good debate, while I accept that you didn't call the teachers the rule breakers, please note I did not call every parent that sends their children to public school a bad parent. I simply stated that the bad parents do tend to send their kids to public schools for the posted reasons.

Yes the lack of a push package to give to parents to explain how to help their children with the new methods is one of the down falls. If it is standardized teaching, surely they could have materials that explain the method to refer the parent to, or to simply give the parents. The text books being used also do not yet reflect the teaching method being directed by CC. So parents have no way to help really. And the new teacher documentation requirements don't leave the teachers with sufficient time to draft up their own parental aids to give out.

I agree with your probable cause and effect with your neighbor's children and their lack of acceptance of guidance or rules from outside sources. If they are involved in outside activities, hopefully they will outgrow those difficulties. Sometimes home schooling just develops social skills at different time intervals than public school taught kids.

[admin2]

You guys are ALL right and this is EXACTLY why we don't have political discussions here on HB. Both sides are very solid in their positions and neither is at all swayed by the others arguments regardless of how well they are articulated. Every other forum that becomes political we've seen on the internet eventually becomes a place for name calling as people become polarized in their positions and eventually resort to personal attacks, which fortunately hasn't happened here and it is very much appreciated.

I would ask that everyone please keep it civil here and we can continue to have different types of interesting subject matter with differing opinions - The alternative is to only talk about boating and we sure wouldn't want THAT on a boating forum

[314joey]

I'm just glad my kids are grown, how hard is it to raise a child now, good luck to any who are.............................I pray for my grandkids every night.

[MrDenton]

You guys are ALL right and this is EXACTLY why we don't have political discussions here on HB. Both sides are very solid in their positions and neither is at all swayed by the others arguments regardless of how well they are articulated. Every other forum that becomes political we've seen on the internet eventually becomes a place for name calling as people become polarized in their positions and eventually resort to personal attacks, which fortunately hasn't happened here and it is very much appreciated.

I would ask that everyone please keep it civil here and we can continue to have different types of interesting subject matter with differing opinions - The alternative is to only talk about boating and we sure wouldn't want THAT on a boating forum

I apologize if this is political. My reason for this was to try and get some insight from other parents or actual teachers. I like to think we're good parents. If I wasn't I wouldn't be here stressing over this, but I am and I'm concerned. Raising kids nowadays is tough enough with all the drugs, gangs, crappy foreseeable future...all I want is for our kids to succeed. Anytime there's a unexplained curriculum change, I feel the parents that give a crap should be included. If not for a 2nd string teachers aid, but just to feel like we're in the loop.
Snoc has brought up some very valid points and has enlightened me more than my sons teachers or our friends that ARE actual teachers and I thank him for that.
So I guess this is probably not the place to bring up the fact that my nephew is in 7th grade. He's had lessons in school teaching that Muslims are a peace loving group and Islam is a religion of love and peace. My nephew got in trouble for bringing the word God into the conversation. Is this part of the common core curriculum?


Oath Keeper

[2manymustangs]

[SnoC653]

I always have to laugh at the people that like to ignorantly say that home schooled kids aren't socialized. The public schools push that propaganda because they LOSE MONEY when kids are home schooled. It's not about socialization, it is about money.

I always like to respond with this question: What is the socialization curriculum at public school? Oh...there isn't one? How is that? It just happens randomly while they sit next to someone in a class room or on the play ground? Dumbest crap ever spewed by fairly intelligent people. Socialization reflects the parents.

Give me an example of a home schooled kid with socialization issues, and I can give you an unlimited # of kids in public school with socialization issues.

In my experience, home schooled kids are some of the most articulate and respectful kids I have ever met.

Since my Bachelor's is in Psychology and I have worked a lot with high school students as both a substitute teacher and as a military recruiter who got to see their test scores as well interact with them in both group and one on one situations, I understand you don't mean me when you use the expression "ignorantly say". So since I have no allegiance to any school district and know and help several people who do home school their children, it's not propaganda to me, it's factual experience. There are more special need preschool children than the school district wants to enroll in the district where my wife teaches, so I can assure you she wouldn't mind some of her parents doing some teaching at home. But, the lack there of is why a large number of her students are her students. One example would be a non-potty trained 50+ pound four year old, and yes she has had them before. Is it really the school's responsibility to teach this subject? And from your comment about socialization, I'm sure your teachers in school never taught you how to stand in line and wait your turn? How to not talk when someone else was talking? How just because you see something that you want, it doesn't mean you can just grab it or take it or throw a tantrum until you get it? You didn't learn about privacy and the sometimes lack there of in public places? Cultural diversity and how everyone has their own special things they have to offer as individuals that we might not have? The list is large and almost endless when it comes to socialization skills that kids learn in public schools. Some are specifically taught, while others are more managed rather than taught. Cultural diversity exposure happens, teachers can give one view of it, but primarily it opens the door to conversations with parents when the kids get home. If they aren't exposed to it, they won't know what to ask about it. So public schools (private schools included) facilitate socialization skills even when they don't teach them specifically.

Also, home schoolers will only have to adjust their curriculum if it is part of a public charter AND if it does not meet the minimum requirements. We aren't adjusting anything for common core. Common core is a minimum standard. The confusion is understanding what meets that standard, so many schools just adopt the common core standards.

And as far as the math, my kids learned math with a program called Math-U-See, which has some similarities to what is in common core. I watched what my kids did, and I thought "That's cheating!" LOL. Believe it or not, they do make improvements in teaching some of this stuff. Some of us learned some old school stuff, and walked up hill to school, both ways, in the snow, and without shoes. And we were grateful!!! LOL

I'm glad that is how it works in your state, in ours they have a curriculum produced by the state. They can teach it how they wish, but the entire curriculum is tested for compliance. And when stuff like social oppression and religious intolerance is added to the CC to be taught, how do you get around it? There are many different ways to teach any subject and no two people learn exactly the same. This is one of the fallacies of CC. It expects everyone to learn the same way. 2MM's concept of the teacher teaching all the students in the same room with tailored teaching to the student's level is a more realistic way to reach more students and do a better job teaching. But it takes more teachers in general and more teachers that care about teaching specifically. And finally it wasn't up hill both ways when I was a kid, but man was that snow deep

Isn't this the socialized school system at work.................I'm just a simple man, but the way I see it there's not much discipline in schools anymore.

Why isn't it bad parenting at work? The kids don't wait till they get to school to change into that outfit. He sluffed out the door at home dressed like that. Schools are limited as to how much discipline they can enforce. When they have to worry about being sued every time they try to enforce rules, what do you expect the schools to do? And with the government adding to the problems by telling the schools what they can and can't regulate as far as dress codes and who can use which restrooms and facilities is it any wonder why schools have problems? Again, my position is gov't should stay out of the schools.

I apologize if this is political. My reason for this was to try and get some insight from other parents or actual teachers. I like to think we're good parents. If I wasn't I wouldn't be here stressing over this, but I am and I'm concerned. Raising kids nowadays is tough enough with all the drugs, gangs, crappy foreseeable future...all I want is for our kids to succeed. Anytime there's a unexplained curriculum change, I feel the parents that give a crap should be included. If not for a 2nd string teachers aid, but just to feel like we're in the loop.
Snoc has brought up some very valid points and has enlightened me more than my sons teachers or our friends that ARE actual teachers and I thank him for that.
So I guess this is probably not the place to bring up the fact that my nephew is in 7th grade. He's had lessons in school teaching that Muslims are a peace loving group and Islam is a religion of love and peace. My nephew got in trouble for bringing the word God into the conversation. Is this part of the common core curriculum?


Oath Keeper

The Muslim issue you pointed out is one of those little things they are slipping in while promoting the bigger CC issue. The concern shouldn't really be about which method they use to teach the kids, but more over what things are they mandating be taught along with the plan on to teach and test the children? CC is hugely popular with most teacher's unions as it provides a minimum standard that must be met. And that is precisely what they want, the minimum amount of work that has to be met to meet their contract. And while the bad teachers strive to reach the minimum and then stop, the good teachers that used to go well above and beyond the minimum will be brought into check with budget and administrative actions contained in the fine print.

The real problem with CC is there is no way to mandate that parents parent and work with their kids and know what is going on with their kids. Yet CC requires interactions with parents from the teachers both in the school and at the student's home (when they are first starting school for sure) interjecting potentially unwanted people into the student's home life. The CC rules will most likely change at regular intervals and will keep the school administrations in chaos. Whether that is the intended purpose or just a side effect of the political nature of CC is not really relevant to this discussion. What is important is that government is out of their lane and is creating a back door into our family values. How CC is taught shouldn't be a huge topic of discussion. What CC requires to be taught should alarm you (IMHO).