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    Quote Originally Posted by GRADS View Post
    There are some really smart people on here. Any more info you get from it? I'm just curious, I don't know shit about it.
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    I was wondering myself how he got all that info from a relic like that.
    Township/section/range is about all you get from those kinds of markers... It's the same system across the U.S. and I assumed that you were still in Cali

    If you go east (around me) or maybe around you in the "RANCHO" areas you can see some crazy shit from the Spanish land grants... Back then the grid system would align with rivers or bays or the coast versus N/S/E/W like the PLSS (Public Land Survey System) which is AKA U.S. rectangular survey system... There is a point out east point on the Ohio-Pennsylvania border where it all starts and grows OUTWARD from...

    SOME of the markers like you found OR some you may find in the forests tacked onto marker trees will actually mark something like "the N.W. corner of the south west quarter of the north east half of the south west quarter bla bla bla bla bla...

    Each section is broken into 1/4 which would be 1/2 mile square and then again into 1/4 and so on... If you read the old titles of land you will see boundary descriptions that make reference to these smaller grids as part of a start or end or middle point in what is called "Metes and bounds" as the "legal description"...

    I have found markers like these (below) in the area where I deer/turkey hunt in southern Missouri over the course of 40 years in the woods... Note how they SCRATCH mark the T. xx R. xx S. xx and then a a "X" on the middle right intersection of lines, that gives the exact location within the section where you are located... THese WERE sometimes used as benchmarks for surveys back before the advent of GPS surveys and the DEclassification of the GPS signals a decade or so ago...

    I had to learn alot about this in R.E. school and from my broker when I was selling development land and farms...

    Look 1/4 mile due east of the center of the marker and you will se the "X"... The outer square is 1 mile and it is gridded into 160 acre 1/4 section and then again into 40 acre 1/4 -1/4 sections and so on... the smallest squares would be 10 acres square on a perfect 1 mi x 1 mi section (640 acres)

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    Thanks for the info 2manymustangs!....I find that kind of stuff fascinating. I'm guessing it was probably placed in 1949 and they hand stamp it in the field? The lake was built in 1955-56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    Township/section/range is about all you get from those kinds of markers... It's the same system across the U.S. and I assumed that you were still in Cali

    If you go east (around me) or maybe around you in the "RANCHO" areas you can see some crazy shit from the Spanish land grants... Back then the grid system would align with rivers or bays or the coast versus N/S/E/W like the PLSS (Public Land Survey System) which is AKA U.S. rectangular survey system... There is a point out east point on the Ohio-Pennsylvania border where it all starts and grows OUTWARD from...

    SOME of the markers like you found OR some you may find in the forests tacked onto marker trees will actually mark something like "the N.W. corner of the south west quarter of the north east half of the south west quarter bla bla bla bla bla...

    Each section is broken into 1/4 which would be 1/2 mile square and then again into 1/4 and so on... If you read the old titles of land you will see boundary descriptions that make reference to these smaller grids as part of a start or end or middle point in what is called "Metes and bounds" as the "legal description"...

    I have found markers like these (below) in the area where I deer/turkey hunt in southern Missouri over the course of 40 years in the woods... Note how they SCRATCH mark the T. xx R. xx S. xx and then a a "X" on the middle right intersection of lines, that gives the exact location within the section where you are located... THese WERE sometimes used as benchmarks for surveys back before the advent of GPS surveys and the DEclassification of the GPS signals a decade or so ago...

    I had to learn alot about this in R.E. school and from my broker when I was selling development land and farms...

    Look 1/4 mile due east of the center of the marker and you will se the "X"... The outer square is 1 mile and it is gridded into 160 acre 1/4 section and then again into 40 acre 1/4 -1/4 sections and so on... the smallest squares would be 10 acres square on a perfect 1 mi x 1 mi section (640 acres)

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    The really fun stuff starts when they move one of the section markers due to a highway or some other feature that requires it to be displaced. It is on record in the courthouses usually, but sometimes you have to dig to find it.

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    Yep, normally under 110' of water!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRADS View Post
    Yep, normally under 110' of water!
    Damn, you guys are in seriously bad shape with the water situation...

    A section is typically 1 mile x 1 mile or 640 acres... At the edges of a township there is correction for the curvature of the earth so the section dimensions are skewed... Typical townships have 36 sections...
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    Well it's not Spearmint Rhino in Vegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 314joey View Post
    Well it's not Spearmint Rhino in Vegas.
    Do people still go there? I thought OG was the place to be? That's where I'll be next week!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli View Post
    Do people still go there? I thought OG was the place to be? That's where I'll be next week!


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    I don't go to any of those places, a friend told me about it.

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    I don't go to any of those places, a friend told me about it.
    You're missing out!


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