You gotta read the sticker. Lot of times on cars like the Mustang, they will add 10-20,000 markup to the car. Seen it done. As for the cars....fuck new any more. I go to CarMax. I can get a car there with 8000 miles on it, still under factory warranty, still with the new car smell for a fraction of what it costs new. Like I said, read the sticker.