The Return of the most infamous HB thread of all time... :D

[GRADS]

So what did I miss in that video. Dog(Pit Bull) attacks horse, horse kicks dog. Wheeler sucks? Now you keep attacking Wheeler because he posted the video which he did not film but suddenly makes him Michael Vick, who made the dogs fight?

Yep, times 10. He also admitted to dog fighting which he called a "sport".

[ChumpChange]

Yep, times 10. He also admitted to dog fighting which he called a "sport". I've got a new sport...it's called knock Wheeler the fuck out.

Let's keep the personal threats off the internet here.


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[gn7]

A plane forward motion is independent of the surface is sitting on. Its not a car on rollers. It doesn't need the surface to remain still for it move forward. A plane pulls itself thru the AIR, not push itself along with the wheels on a stationary surface. It moves forward RELATIVE TO THE AIR not the tread mill.

Like snoc said, but confused it with a bunch friction bullshit. You just need a tread mill long enough. But the plane IS going to screw itself forward THRU THE AIR regardless if its on a treadmill.
Lets keep our eyes on the ball here, The plane does need the ground to move forward on, whether its flying or not, its irrelevant.

[Tishimself]

A plane forward motion is independent of the surface is sitting on. Its not a car on rollers. It doesn't need the surface to remain still for it move forward. A plane pulls itself thru the AIR, not push itself along with the wheels on a stationary surface. It moves forward RELATIVE TO THE AIR not the tread mill.

Like snoc said, but confused it with a bunch friction bullshit. You just need a tread mill long enough. But the plane IS going to screw itself forward THRU THE AIR regardless if its on a treadmill.
Lets keep our eyes on the ball here, The plane does need the ground to move forward on, whether its flying or not, its irrelevant.

Ok....lets get it straight here. Here is the way this works. Take the plane and set it on the treadmill. Turn on the treadmill and spin it up so that the wheels on the plane are turning, just as if it is taxiing. As you increase the power on the jet engines, the speed of the treadmill increases also. As time goes by, the treadmill is spinning the wheels at 300+mph. Maybe faster. This counters the wheels ability to turn thrust into movement. If the plane can not move forward, it can not generate lift across the flight surfaces of the wing. Hard as the engines "screw" themselves through the air, they cannot overcome the negative forces generated by the treadmill turning in the opposite direction. Which brings into the conversation the third law of physics which states that "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". This argument was always limited to jet powered aircraft, as a plane with the prop in the nose will generate airflow over the wing surfaces through prop wash. Same with planes with engines in the wings such as a King Air. (my favorite plane). But for aircraft with an engine under the wing, with thrust generated after the wing surfaces, ( a jet) there is no source for air over the flight surfaces, because no movement can be generated because the wheels have no ability to roll the aircraft forward. Remember, as the aircraft moves, the speed of the treadmill increases till the speed returns to a zero indicator. Got it?

And I honestly don't believe the engines generate enough thrust to launch the plane into the air from a zero start. I forget what the takeoff speed it for a 747 but if the wheels are spinning faster than that...it can not overcome the negative effects of the treadmill.

[gn7]

OK. lets get it straight here. Here is the way it works. Take the plane, set it on the treadmill. turn on the treadmill, spin it up so that the wheels on the plane are turning, just as if it is taxiing. AS you increase the power on the jet engines, the speed of the treadmill increases also. AS time goes by, the treadmill is spinning the wheels at 300+mph. Maybe faster. This counters the wheels ability to turn thrust into movement through the wheels. IF the plane can not move forward, it can not generate lift across the flight surfaces of the wing. Hard as the engines "screw" themselves through the air, they cannot overcome the negative forces generated by the treadmill turning in the opposite direction. Which brings in law of physics which states that "For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction". This argument was always limited to jet powered aircraft, as a plane with the prop in the nose generate airflow over the wing surfaces through prop wash. Same with planes with engines on the wings. Such as a King Air. (my favorite plane). But for aircraft with an engine under the wing, with thrust generated after the wing surfaces, ( a jet) there is no source for air over the flight surfaces, because no movement can be generated because the wheels have no ability to roll the aircraft forfard. Remember, as the aircraft moves, the speed of the treadmill increases till the speed returns to a zero indicator. Got it?

Did you read what you wrote here. You want to take another shot that? That's hilarious.

[HB Vic]

Aircraft (prop or jet) generate thrust. They pull themselves through air. Bernoulli's principal and the wing allows them to fly.

The speed the wheels are turning or the direction they're turning is irrelevant.

[2manymustangs]

AS you increase the power on the jet engines, the speed of the treadmill increases also. AS time goes by, the treadmill is spinning the wheels at 300+mph. Maybe faster.

Why? Why do you say the treadmills is spinning the wheels faster and faster?


Lets start with some "ground" rules, what is the FIXED speed of your treadmill? Tishimself, lets make it interesting:

The treadmill is ONE MILE LONG, fixed speed of 6MPH (ten minute mile)
The engines on the aero-plane are NOT running
There is a cliff at both ends that drops to the abyss and the plane is sitting at the FAR end and has one mile / ten minutes to throttle UP and get airborn...

OR else...

Press GO and the airplane is now moving in reverse at 6MPH...

Now what???

[Tishimself]

Aircraft (prop or jet) generate thrust. They pull themselves through air. Bernoulli's principal and the wing allows them to fly.

The speed the wheels are turning or the direction they're turning is irrelevant.

Well, lets look at it from a different direction. Lets look at the landing gear as being the same as roller skates on your feet. If your on a treadmill with skates on, the only way you can move forward is by holding onto a stationary object. I.E. and handle bar, or a rope. Otherwise, you might roll back, actually. That's what the air is for the plane. It's a rope or stationary object that it grabs onto and pulls itself forward, unlike the tires on a car for instance. Which lets it move forward regardless of wheel speed. Right? Sorta. As you move forward, the treadmill speed increases, meaning you have to work harder to keep moving forward due to increased friction between the wheels of your skates and the treadmill. As the speeds increase, so does the strength needed to pull yourself forward. Sooner or later, it's just too much work, and you stop moving forward. This is the same with the plane, it can only pull forward so hard, and then that's it. Same here. Everyone concentrates on the wheels, and not the forces themselves at work here. The wheels are only the instrument with which the engines transmit thrust into movement. They are not powered.

[WESTERNAERO]

OK. lets get it straight here. Here is the way it works. Take the plane, set it on the treadmill. turn on the treadmill, spin it up so that the wheels on the plane are turning, just as if it is taxiing. AS you increase the power on the jet engines, the speed of the treadmill increases also. AS time goes by, the treadmill is spinning the wheels at 300+mph. Maybe faster. This counters the wheels ability to turn thrust into movement through the wheels. IF the plane can not move forward, it can not generate lift across the flight surfaces of the wing. Hard as the engines "screw" themselves through the air, they cannot overcome the negative forces generated by the treadmill turning in the opposite direction. Which brings in law of physics which states that "For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction". This argument was always limited to jet powered aircraft, as a plane with the prop in the nose generate airflow over the wing surfaces through prop wash. Same with planes with engines on the wings. Such as a King Air. (my favorite plane). But for aircraft with an engine under the wing, with thrust generated after the wing surfaces, ( a jet) there is no source for air over the flight surfaces, because no movement can be generated because the wheels have no ability to roll the aircraft forfard. Remember, as the aircraft moves, the speed of the treadmill increases till the speed returns to a zero indicator. Got it?

And what asshole did you pull this out of? You must of heard this on Big Bang Theory, Right?