The really "Old School" boating thread

[Wheeler]

Looks more like a "W" drive for dual counter rotating props.
I didn't know that Marbet made stuff like that.

V or a double V or is it an M, I just don't know. The person that owns it called it a V-drive so I went with it.

It belongs in this boat, '55 twin screw Mandella.

[CampbellCarl]

Guessing....output shaft of engine is the third leg of a triangle and drives a chain from above to the two outer inputs of the box then each inner shaft is driving a prop shaft? They seem pretty close for that to work. How else?

Dave Sammons' work bench?

[gn7]

V or a double V or is it an M, I just don't know. The person that owns it called it a V-drive so I went with it.

It belongs in this boat, '55 twin screw Mandella.

I only called it that because that's what they call them on the TFHs today.
If that's a 55 Mandella, they are more similar to a Rayson that I thought they were when Joe died. The entry on that thing is a dead ringer for an early Rayson.

Guessing....output shaft of engine is the third leg of a triangle and drives a chain from above to the two outer inputs of the box then each inner shaft is driving a prop shaft? They seem pretty close for that to work. How else?

Dave Sammons' work bench?

I have no clue Carl. That's not how they work or look today. That setup would have the props turning the same direction. Not sure how it works, but the chain setup is very interesting. My guess is, its 1 to 1 ratio.

Today its one input direct to a output, plus one idler to an output, making the outputs turn in opposite directions.

[2manymustangs]

I only called it that because that's what they call them on the TFHs today.
If that's a 55 Mandella, they are more similar to a Rayson that I thought they were when Joe died. The entry on that thing is a dead ringer for an early Rayson.


I have no clue Carl. That's not how they work or look today. That setup would have the props turning the same direction. Not sure how it works, but the chain setup is very interesting. My guess is, its 1 to 1 ratio.

Today its one input direct to a output, plus one idler to an output, making the outputs turn in opposite directions.

Hey Bob or others, would you be kind enough to post up a good photo of a conventional Casale V-drive box on the bench AND installed IF you have some good pics? Something showing the IN and OUT??? Pretty please??? OR maybe even an OLD HallCraft box / toploader / water cooled???

Some of the audience may not be familiar with the simplicity and ruggedNESS OR the quick change of gears in the V-drive install/design...

[Wheeler]

If that's a 55 Mandella, they are more similar to a Rayson that I thought they were when Joe died. The entry on that thing is a dead ringer for an early Rayson.

I'll try to find a better pic of the Mandella.

Pic of inside the drive.

[gn7]

That's about what I expected to see once you showed the input/output side.


Nothing says both inputs had to hook to the engine. Hook one input to the engine, the other acts an idler, you could use the shaft to drive something if wanted.

Coupling outputs to prop shafts with chains and sprockets was common as dirt in those days. Still is used in hydros and some crackers.

[Sharp shooter]

There were quite a few v-drive gear box manufacturers in the late 50's/early 60's. I've never seen most of them.

[gn7]

There were quite a few v-drive gear box manufacturers in the late 50's/early 60's. I've never seen most of them.

Tom Davis used a Precision V Glide in a 430 Lincoln powered Patterson to win the first Parker 9 hr.

Bob Patterson rigged Bill Ritners boat that was the first V drive flat to win the Orange Bowl 9hr in 1959.

The strong and quite. But heavy as hell and harder to assemble than a C 500 Casale.

[2manymustangs]

That's about what I expected to see once you showed the input/output side.


Nothing says both inputs had to hook to the engine. Hook one input to the engine, the other acts an idler, you could use the shaft to drive something if wanted.

Coupling outputs to prop shafts with chains and sprockets was common as dirt in those days. Still is used in hydros and some crackers.

I thought this coupling was the standard deal on crackers from the ones I stuck my nose in, what other couplings do they use???

[gn7]

I thought this coupling was the standard deal on crackers from the ones I stuck my nose in, what other couplings do they use???

There are a couple that use a in/out and whirlaway tail piece from Casale mounted to the cross member that tales the prop shaft thrust.

While you are sticking your nose in boats, stick it in P94 the next time you see it,