Prop Shaft

[gn7]

I have no idea why that is, I'm not a retailer. My guess is they farmed it to China. But for one retailer to state that another retailer's product is shit because the material came from China is retarded to listen to. Especially when the material in question is a high grade stainless or exotic if you want to call it that.

I agree. My point was, that they aren't so much farming the heads out to China, but the heads are no longer labeled as 356T6 virgin, which means they can be any crap recycled alloy, because there is no claim it is any thing but lightweight aluminum. So is a beer can, and widow frames.

As far as prop shafts, is the material REALLY XXXX, or is a "similar material"
Anybody have or seen a cert for the material? Or just taking the word of the person cutting the shafts or his supplier? There are counterfeit DVD and Rolex watches and everything in between. Bogus parts have ended up in jumbo jets. It wouldn't be a stretch to find a bogus shaft in a boat.
Its not that China can't produce the stuff, They can launch a satellite, and shoot it down from a land based missile, and have done both. But the country does have a reputation for looking the other way when it comes to bogus stuff. Counterfeit U.S. money here, and you go to jail. Countereit U.S. money there, and they take your plates away and slap your hand. Counterfeit Chinese money, and they execute you at sunrise.

[JBS]

I agree. My point was, that they aren't so much farming the heads out to China, but the heads are no longer labeled as 356T6 virgin, which means they can be any crap recycled alloy, because there is no claim it is any thing but lightweight aluminum. So is a beer can, and widow frames.

As far as prop shafts, is the material REALLY XXXX, or is a "similar material"
Anybody have or seen a cert for the material? Or just taking the word of the person cutting the shafts or his supplier? There are counterfeit DVD and Rolex watches and everything in between. Bogus parts have ended up in jumbo jets. It wouldn't be a stretch to find a bogus shaft in a boat.
Its not that China can't produce the stuff, They can launch a satellite, and shoot it down from a land based missile, and have done both. But the country does have a reputation for looking the other way when it comes to bogus stuff. Counterfeit U.S. money here, and you go to jail. Countereit U.S. money there, and they take your plates away and slap your hand. Counterfeit Chinese money, and they execute you at sunrise.

As someone who is forced by some of my customers to use Molds built in China I can tell you that they don't know shit about Steel or the hardening process. Have I gotten good molds from China. Yep in a few cases. Most though are not. As for Certs that's a total joke. They will cert anything you ask for.

I am dealing with a new program right now that involves 9 molds. 2 of these molds even in pictures are garbage. My Customer does not care. They just say run it. One of the molds has 4 Hydraulic cylinders on it that they swear are off the shelf components. They are not. They went as far a giving us the name of the Mfg. The Mfg. does exist but they tell me they did not make the cylinders. Asked for a serial number. I am still waiting.

China is garbage. They know what we don't know. That we are greedy and gullible and will accept their shit in hopes of saving a little. Their equivalent is not even close.

[gn7]

As someone who is forced by some of my customers to use Molds built in China I can tell you that they don't know shit about Steel or the hardening process. Have I gotten good molds from China. Yep in a few cases. Most though are not. As for Certs that's a total joke. They will cert anything you ask for.

I am dealing with a new program right now that involves 9 molds. 2 of these molds even in pictures are garbage. My Customer does not care. They just say run it. One of the molds has 4 Hydraulic cylinders on it that they swear are off the shelf components. They are not. They went as far a giving us the name of the Mfg. The Mfg. does exist but they tell me they did not make the cylinders. Asked for a serial number. I am still waiting.

China is garbage. They know what we don't know. That we are greedy and gullible and will accept their shit in hopes of saving a little. Their equivalent is not even close.

But never underestimate what bastards CAN DO. They are not the USSR, and we were "terrified" of them for years. They couldn't make a decent paper bag the bottom didn't fall out of. The Chinese are more than capable of reverse engineering, and manufacturing anything they like. Keep in mind, the computer you are posting from, and the phone you talk on the TV you watch all came from there. I don't know too meny people throwing there Iphone against the wall and yelling "this POS". Most are in line the day after the newest one comes out to be the first on the block with one.

But I never ever forget, that there is nothing that can't be made cheaper and shittier. And people willing to buy it. And they never forget it either.

[ogshotgun]

spoke to gross this weekend about the Polygonal shafts and props,he told me it was just to time consuming too machine both pieces for a exact fit so he discontinued them, than i asked the process for making a prop from a forging , he said they have american made forgings and they digitize your existing prop and CNC a exact copy out of the forging...just what he told me.