Just so we're clear here. I'm not afraid to go, and resent the statement that I am. My most recent experience with the other site has me not wanting to be around any of then, especially the owner of the site. I'm sure he would do his best to take the low road. Someone has to be the adult. As GRADS said, it ain't the old boat show, hardly any builders will be there, and I can get ropes and rigging anywhere....hope this explains it a little...I have no doubt though, that once those guys figured out who I was...nothing good would happen after that. Froggy thrives on drama, I don't.