Troublesome Boat Operation

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Originally Posted by hpboats83

After thinking about this more, I wonder if you had a cat (let's pick on Mystic for the sake of this discussion) that had some sort of a front wing/canard (similar to the new Al Copeland boat "Phenomenon") that was computer controlled by some sort of a gyro-stabilization (don't think that's a real word) that could receive inputs hundreds of times per second/minute that could help maintain the attitude of a boat and help keep it flying level and when it sensed a blow over possible, make a severe correction to help prevent a blow over and prevent an accident before it happened, might turn into a great safety feature.

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I like how your thinking, kind of like the flaps used in NASCAR that pop up when they go into a spin.

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Originally Posted by Hotboat

I think someone on OSO was talking about that. The only thing I would be concerned with would be that little gizmo causing a stuff. Not sure which would be worse, kite or stuff. Don't think I'd want to do either at 130+MPH.

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I don't think that the wing would be enough to make the boat change the attitude that it was flying that drastically but hopefully enough to slow the blow over down so the drives could catch and bring the boat down a little safer. Even if it did stuff the occupants would stay inside the cockpit of the boat and hopefully just have a few missing teeth or a broken back like the guy who spun the Fountain around, atleast they didn't die.

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Originally Posted by Carbon

I like how your thinking, kind of like the stabilizers used in NASCAR that pop up when they go into a spin.

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If I'm not mistaken, the "stabilizers" in NASCAR only deploy if you are backwards or sideways on the track. I'm thinking bigger picture, more like ABS or Auto 4wd which is making 100's of inputs per second to the wheels, this would just be done to the wing.

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Originally Posted by hpboats83

If I'm not mistaken, the "stabilizers" in NASCAR only deploy if you are backwards or sideways on the track. I'm thinking bigger picture, more like ABS or Auto 4wd which is making 100's of inputs per second to the wheels, this would just be done to the wing.

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Yea, I get what your thinking, great idea IMO.

If it'll save lives, maybe it should be invented (if it hasn't already) and tested.

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Originally Posted by Carbon

Yea, I get what your thinking, great idea IMO.

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Originally Posted by Hotboat

If it'll save lives, maybe it should be invented (if it hasn't already) and tested.

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There you go Mr. Doug Wright West, do it and hook me up later. That could be your niche into making your boat revolutionary and different, just hook me up with a new boat once you make a couple million.

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Originally Posted by KAP

Ok here is a crazy photo!

I was going to do a separate thread but thought I would just post it here.

This was a real photo taken at DSPR a couple years back. If you can zoom into the center of the photo.

I received this from a trusted source. I thought it was photo shop but it is not. I said no way and he assured me he witnessed it and a lady friend in the boat took the picture.

Nuts is all I have to say...mindless people.

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WOW! That could have ended up really bad. :(

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Originally Posted by Carbon

Yea, WTF is that jet ski doing there? Even though he has a right to be there, thats just dumb!

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I would say #2....lol

That DS pic is crazy.

Here is the problem with some wing to prevent blowing over. If in fact it worked then guys would push it to the point that it can not work. Just like they push the limits of the trim. It would only allow the boat to go faster to get to the edge. If the driver does not know how to stay off the edge then he will fall off eventually regardless of where the edge is.

These boats already go fast enough. We don't need wings to make them more stable at high speeds. They can already be stable at high speeds. You just have to know where the edge is and not get close to it.

MP

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Originally Posted by Cat & Mice

That DS pic is crazy.

Here is the problem with some wing to prevent blowing over. If in fact it worked then guys would push it to the point that it can not work. Just like they push the limits of the trim. It would only allow the boat to go faster to get to the edge. If the driver does not know how to stay off the edge then he will fall off eventually regardless of where the edge is.

These boats already go fast enough. We don't need wings to make them more stable at high speeds. They can already be stable at high speeds. You just have to know where the edge is and not get close to it.

MP

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When you walk a tight rope, you have to be aware that you can fall off. You can decide to walk the wire 3 feet off the ground, or 300 ft. One might sprain your ankle, the other can get you killed. How much rush to you live for, and willing to give up to do it is your decision to make. Anybody that gets into one of those things and enters a Poker Run, or an actual offshore race and thinks it can't happen to them, shouldn't be getting in it to start with, because they are too clueless about what they are doing.
They have been kiting air packers since the day they were invented, and they will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Its the nature of the beast.

No wing is going to stop this. Only one thing comes to mind. Some means of relieving the tunnel pressure if the boat's attitude gets to a pre determined attack angle. Not unlike the flaps on the Cup cars that disrupts the airflow over the car.
It would require some type of inertia lever like the Cup cars have, that only allow it to activate when the attack angle of the boat exceeds a given point.
You cannot depend on the driver to do it, or even allow him to have control over it. There isn't enough time, or even the presence of mind to do it 99% of the time.

Unlimiteds have a canard wing to control the front lift, and they still kite REGULARLY. A canard wing is not the answer.