The official hotboat.com "We get letters" thread

[HB Vic]

I've been getting a lot of pm's, emails, and smoke signals recently asking a variety of different questions. Some of them technical, some of them social, some of them rude LOL.

Some of the people seem to want to ask the members technical questions or their feelings about something, but don't necessarily want their identity to be known.

So, this is your opportunity to ask the members a question or share something with the rest of the members via PM to me and keep your identity 100% confidential.

So if you have something you want to share or ask and stay anonymous, simply send a PM to me or you can also email: info@hotboat.com I will share your question, comment, or concern and keep your identity 100% confidential. Please title your PM or email "We get letters". Please let me know what City and/or State you're from.

This should be interesting.

So fire away :D

[HB Vic]

And we have our first letter:

From our email: "Why was Grads banned? Be specific please. Eli admitted to being admin2, can we get your thoughts on that?"

Grads was banned by me for posting porn. He was initially given a 7 day vacay for his offense, however, he has since signed up 2 additional fictitious accounts on hotboat.com and has been given a brand new 10- day vacation. As far as my thoughts on Eli admitting to being admin2, I have no thoughts. She is not admin2.

Thank you for the letter. Hopefully I have answered your questions.

HB

[Stainless]

He was initially given a 7 day vacay for his offense, however, he has since signed up 2 additional fictitious accounts on hotboat.com and has been given a brand new 10- day vacation.



HB

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Posting on a suspended license huh? :D
He's a slippery one! :p

Hope you don't mind the commentary HB, just throwing a little humor at it. :)


CH3NO2

[HB Vic]

Posting on a suspended license huh? :D
He's a slippery one! :p

Hope you don't mind the commentary HB, just throwing a little humor at it. :)


CH3NO2

I like humor :D

[HB Vic]

We get letters. #2:

"How much are the other moderators paid? What is their compensation package?"


I try to thank the mods at least 1-2X a day. And on occasion, they get free swag :D


I hope that answers your question.

HB

[She's Mine]

Oh Boy, this is going to be good. At least this will be an interesting read since there really isn't too much boating content going on right now. LMAO

[Mrs.K034]

This is going to be a interesting thread, great idea!

[Eli]

And we have our first letter:

From our email: "Why was Grads banned? Be specific please. Eli admitted to being admin2, can we get your thoughts on that?"

Grads was banned by me for posting porn. He was initially given a 7 day vacay for his offense, however, he has since signed up 2 additional fictitious accounts on hotboat.com and has been given a brand new 10- day vacation. As far as my thoughts on Eli admitting to being admin2, I have no thoughts. She is not admin2.

Thank you for the letter. Hopefully I have answered your questions.

HB



I can't tell from his texts if he's furious at me or just fucking with me.

Admittedly, when he first realized there was an admin2. I played a joke on him and did a fantastic job, regrettably, of convincing him that I was in fact admin2. Well now he's convinced and doesn't believe that I'm not admin2. I guess he may have spread the word based on the plethora of texts I received yesterday asking me why I banned Grads. I think it's interesting that he has held on to my initial texts convincing him I'm admin2, yet ignored everything I've said the last 3 weeks about not being admin2.

If he's in fact mad, I think it's odd that the practical joker isn't taking my joke very well.




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[HB Vic]

We get letters #3:

"So HB, How do you pick you admin people are they friends or family or internet gurus that help maintain your site..and NO I’m not being a smartass..Just wondering how you pick your Admins"

Well they're flowing now.

How do I pick admins? Very good question. Gothalos and I are related. Mateo and I are friends. Admin2 is a member here. I asked the member to be a mod when the need for a little additional help arose. I was quite happy they accepted. The selection process isn't like my normal interview process, it's more along the lines of "you seem very level headed and reasonable, would you like to waste a little more time here keeping an eye on the place?"

The OG admin is a long time business acquaintance. Though he doesn't moderate in the typical fashion, he is quite capable. And he does boot a lot of the spammers.

Thank you for the question. I hope I sufficiently answered it for you.


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[Eli]

Oh Boy, this is going to be good. At least this will be an interesting read since there really isn't too much boating content going on right now. LMAO

There is plenty of boating content on the sight it's just not all in the sandbar. There are a ton of great sections on boating, it's separated by boat type as well as boating region, among other categories. You should venture out of the sandbar and check it out.


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[HB Vic]

We get letters, #4:

"Why don't you ban people who only come around to post mean comments or create drama? It's obvious what their intentions are"

This is turning in to a full time job lol.

This might take a little thought.

I guess I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think very few people actually come here to post drama and/or negative stuff.

I know there are a few who would love to see this site fail, that's just human nature sometimes. And it really doesn't bother me.

As far as banning them? There really is no need unless they break the rules. Their intentions will usually shine through in time and they will eventually get discouraged that we're still here and go away :D

I hope that answers your question.

HB


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[314joey]

Do I have to PM or can I just ask here. I'm not shy, how many times can Grads or anyone else get banned until they get banned for good.

[McRib]

I'm not scared to post.

So here's my question.

How many chucks could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

[ChumpChange]

I'm not scared to post.

So here's my question.

How many chucks could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

Do you have an iPhone? Ask Siri that question. She's got a response.

But to answer your question: A woodchuck could chuck wood all day if a woodchuck could chuck wood. :)

[Unforgiven]

I asked siri, "siri, who's your daddy?" siri replies, "you are...now get back to work!" fock..what a bitch....

[ptc]

I dont need anonymity but I do really need to know how to remove a tampon when the string has pulled free !!!!! :schreck:

maybe you can help me with that HOTBOAT! :speechless-smiley-0

[WESTERNAERO]

I dont need anonymity but I do really need to know how to remove a tampon when the string has pulled free !!!!! :schreck:

maybe you can help me with that HOTBOAT! :speechless-smiley-0

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Jet-Daytona]

I dont need anonymity but I do really need to know how to remove a tampon when the string has pulled free !!!!! :schreck:

maybe you can help me with that HOTBOAT! :speechless-smiley-0

Do what I do.....use your teeth! :rolleyes

[ptc]

Do what I do.....use your teeth! :rolleyes

I would need John Elway teeth for that one!!!! lol

oh and I didnt mean Vic... I meant HOTBOAT as a community for this information.... seems everybody has an opinion on things around here! lol2

[HB Vic]

You guys are killing me lol especially NGE


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[H2oSki2Fast]

Do you have an iPhone? Ask Siri that question. She's got a response.

But to answer your question: A woodchuck could chuck wood all day if a woodchuck could chuck wood. :)

If you got that answer from siri, well...... she is wrong. That answer is incorrect.

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #5:

"With all the members that have signed up over the last year, does it bother you at all that it seems to be the same 5-8 members posting in the sandbar hour after hour, day after day?

And is there any way to change this and get other members posting up?"

Interesting question. The numbers of lurkers on the site daily is actually quite high. Most seem to lurk around (which is fine) but do not post. So it strikes me as odd when I get a question like this. Yes, we have signed up a lot of new members. But for some reason it seems many of them do not post. Unfortunately I cannot answer why. Maybe they're waiting to see if anyone else will post first?

Unfortunately I do not have an answer to your question.

Thank you,
HB

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #6:

"Would you ever own an eliminator Daytona and retire the black Sox?"

Another tough question. A few years ago I fell in lust with a bad ass 28 Eliminator Speedster. The paint was perfect, the engine was perfect, and the drive was perfect. And it was for sale.

I asked myself what did this boat have over my boat? Well it actually had a lot. I loved the windscreen, the paint, and the power. But was I willing to dump my current ride to get in to that one? The answer was no. The only reason was it just didn't make sense at the time. I think I've put a grand total of 25hrs on my boat since then for various reasons. Dropping another $50-75K on something I wouldn't use much more than my current boat just didn't make financial sense. Its always nice to say what you have in the garage, but using and showing it is soooo much more fun :D

Hope that answers your question, thanks for asking.

HB

[2manymustangs]

We get letters. #2:

"How much are the other moderators paid? What is their compensation package?"


VI try to thank the mods at least 1-2X a day. And on occasion, they get free swag :D


I hope that answers your question.
HB

:LMAOsmiley: ^^^^

I hope I don't every SEROIUSLY get asked to be a MOD, the answer isn't no it's HELLLLLLL NOOOOOO!!! :)

[Eli]

:LMAOsmiley: ^^^^

I hope I don't every SEROIUSLY get asked to be a MOD, the answer isn't no it's HELLLLLLL NOOOOOO!!! :)

Don't ever impersonate one either! It's not fun!!


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[2manymustangs]

Don't ever impersonate one either! It's not fun!!


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worse than my many dog bites??? or a snowball in the nuts??? :schreck:

[Eli]

worse than my many dog bites??? or a snowball in the nuts??? :schreck:

It was like having a baseball at 90 mph to the nuts while being bitten by a pack of dogs :D


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[She's Mine]

There is plenty of boating content on the sight it's just not all in the sandbar. There are a ton of great sections on boating, it's separated by boat type as well as boating region, among other categories. You should venture out of the sandbar and check it out.


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This is exactly why I venture out of the Sandbar to find all of the boating content on this site. I will share more of my personal experiences and boating bucket lists to help improve the content.

[niceguyeddie]

You guys are killing me lol especially NGE


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I think I've been a big supporter of the site. I've posted boating content, encouraged others to come aboard, participated in events, purchased merchandise and even offered to help out. I think one of my recent my threads was taken the wrong way. There's a sponsor I'm not a fan of. However this is your website not mine. So I'll keep my opinions of sponsors to myself from now on. That is if I'm still welcome to continue to post. Do I agree? I guess that's irrelevant. I'm here to participate in some boating content (I wish there was more. Especially in the tech sections) and shoot the shit about random bullshit as we all do here.




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[CampbellCarl]

Why do I get dizzy when I look over the edge of a tall building?

CC

[HB Vic]

I think I've been a big supporter of the site. I've posted boating content, encouraged others to come aboard, participated in events, purchased merchandise and even offered to help out. I think one of my recent my threads was taken the wrong way. There's a sponsor I'm not a fan of. However this is your website not mine. So I'll keep my opinions of sponsors to myself from now on. That is if I'm still welcome to continue to post. Do I agree? I guess that's irrelevant. I'm here to participate in some boating content (I wish there was more. Especially in the tech sections) and shoot the shit about random bullshit as we all do here.

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I was going to respond to your PM but might as well do it in the open. Yes, you have been a supporter and I appreciate that. But how many times have you seen a F*CK (insert advertiser name here) posted on this site?? I'll answer that for you, zero. That is after your post was taken down.

And before you get all huffy on me, understand there is no way for any of us to verify your complaint. It may be 100% true. But it was your experience, not ours.

There are a few places I will not patronize for various reasons. Those reasons are my reasons and after taking to people in private, I've found out that we don't share a lot of the same common complaints or positive experiences. You and I may patronize the same place and like, or dislike it, for different reasons.

I don't think your thread could have been taken any other way. You were clearly unhappy and that's unfortunate. But this isn't the place to post your personal dissatisfied feelings and comments. As I said in the other thread, the absence of positive comments and feedback about any business should be a very good indicator of where not to spend your money.

Now lets see some boating content please :D

[Milkmoney]

I don't needs pm. I got nothing to hide.

My ? Is. Could you ask Eli out on date for me. :).
The party/nice Eli. :)

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #7:

"Do I have to PM or can I just ask here. I'm not shy, how many times can a member get banned until they get banned for good?"

Another good question. Back when we first started this place up we had a couple of members who just could not resist the temptation to launch character grenades at certain people. After numerous requests and several bannings (I want to say 3), I finally kicked them out for good.

In comparison the most recent banee's offense imo was not as pernicious as the previous offenders offense, but it was very close.

So to answer your question, we do not have a 3 strikes rule. But people have been permanently banned for cause, and I imagine they will not be the last.

I hope that answers your question.

HB

[Eli]

I don't needs pm. I got nothing to hide.

My ? Is. Could you ask Eli out on date for me. :).
The party/nice Eli. :)

Knock it off! :D

Can I take your girlfriend out? She's hot! ;)

Btw "we" are a package deal. You get the Eli you bring out of us :D

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[Milkmoney]

Knock it off! :D

Can I take your girlfriend out? She's hot! ;)

Btw "we" are a package deal. You get the Eli you bring out of us :D

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Knock what off. I was giving you a compliment. Lol.

And no u can't take her out. :)

[Eli]

Knock what off. I was giving you a compliment. Lol.

And no u can't take her out. :)

Thanks for the compliment...I'm not good at taking them. But, I can dish them out like a champ!

I don't blame you for not letting me near her...she will be "changed" forever :D

On a serious note, what did you have to do to convince her to date you? That's a question I'm confident a lot of people want to know. :D


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[314joey]

We get letters, #7:

"Do I have to PM or can I just ask here. I'm not shy, how many times can a member get banned until they get banned for good?"

Another good question. Back when we first started this place up we had a couple of members who just could not resist the temptation to launch character grenades at certain people. After numerous requests and several bannings (I want to say 3), I finally kicked them out for good.

In comparison the most recent banee's offense imo was not as pernicious as the previous offenders offense, but it was very close.

So to answer your question, we do not have a 3 strikes rule. But people have been permanently banned for cause, and I imagine they will not be the last.

I hope that answers your question.

HB

Yes you did answer it and thanks and I think Eli as well as all the women are hot on this site.

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #8:

"Mr.HB, do you have another job or business aside from Hotboat.com? If so, how difficult is it to balance the two? Also, is having your own website more work than you thought it would be? And do you ever have those days where you wish you didn't have the burden of running HB.com?

Thank you! "

Yes
Somewhat difficult
Yes
Yes

Those are the short answers, I'll try to give a brief response. First and foremost I am a boater. Have been for a long time. I love all boats, big, small, fast, and slow. As long as it has an internal combustion engine, the water is clear, and the beer is cold, I'm a happy camper.

That being said, I had a pretty good idea what I was getting myself in to when we started this thing back up. Both the time and financial investment, so no surprise there. My real job is intense right now, we're in our busy season and we are very busy. So that combined with this is adding up to big hours lately. But I know it won't always be like this and before you know it we'll be back on the water and work work will ease up a bit so we can enjoy all the hard work, so I'm ok with it.

As far as HB being a burden? I don't feel that way. When and if the day comes that it does become a burden or no more fun, I'll turn left or right and make a change. But I don't see that happening.

Now enough about the inner workings of HB. Lets get some boating questions please.

HB

[314joey]

With the other sites and couple of the new boating web-sites (won't mention them) starting up, what if any are your plans to "expand" Hotboat.com outside of the Southwest area.

[Eli]

Yes you did answer it and thanks and I think Eli as well as all the women are hot on this site.

Thank you. With a wife as hot as yours, that is very flattering. ☺️


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[Eli]

With the other sites and couple of the new boating web-sites (won't mention them) starting up, what if any are your plans to "expand" Hotboat.com outside of the Southwest area.

I think I should move to FL and get it rocking :D


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[HB Vic]

With the other sites and couple of the new boating web-sites (won't mention them) starting up, what if any are your plans to "expand" Hotboat.com outside of the Southwest area.

Good question. We've been a little hit and miss over the past year or so. LOTO and a little from the Florida boat shows were really our only ventures out of the West. I am planning more Midwest and East trips this year, including LOTO and several others that are still in the works. The sooner we get a little traction here, the sooner we can venture more outside our comfort zone :D

[gn7]

We get letters, #5:

"With all the members that have signed up over the last year, does it bother you at all that it seems to be the same 5-8 members posting in the sandbar hour after hour, day after day?

And is there any way to change this and get other members posting up?"

Interesting question. The numbers of lurkers on the site daily is actually quite high. Most seem to lurk around (which is fine) but do not post. So it strikes me as odd when I get a question like this. Yes, we have signed up a lot of new members. But for some reason it seems many of them do not post. Unfortunately I cannot answer why. Maybe they're waiting to see if anyone else will post first?

Unfortunately I do not have an answer to your question.

Thank you,
HB

I will take a shot at this for you Vic, but don't take it as a slam, it IS NOT. Its a personal observation of the undeniable facts.
YOU are on the inside. You can't see the forest because the trees are in you way. All sites, regardless the "topic theme" of the site have their core group. However, some websites that have a "topic theme" really have very little discussion on that topic. Odd but true. This not the only boat site that functions this way, and its not hard to tell that this site is really more of an off shoot of THAT website, than other boating sites, or even its "name sake" site. This NOT that HotBoat.com. I know, I was a member too. There may some similarities in the forum you and others hung out in, but that was ONE forum on that site. Same could be said for PB today. There are those that never venture out of Open Water there. But is NOT the most popular and most posted in forum there. There is more talk about boats, from people that own boats on that site and others, than all the non boat discussion COMBINED!
Now go look at the "other" site and see the amount of Lounge Lizards posting. Then look in the forums talking about boats. See any similarities?

This site functions more as a Facebook page than a boating theme website. Its the direction the owners and original members that left the other site took it.
Question is WHY was this site started? Because you liked the other site, just not some the people on it? Or some of the content that was allowed? Too much negativity? What ever the reason, it was YOUR reason and that's COOL. But don't expect it to be any different except you are in control of the language, politics, pictures, etc. Other than that, ITS THE SAME DAMN SITE! Different players in a different party, but its still an on line party. Its social chat room, for a core clique.

It is what you choose to make it.

[Sharp shooter]

I will take a shot at this for you Vic, but don't take it as a slam, it IS NOT. Its a personal observation of the undeniable facts.
YOU are on the inside. You can't see the forest because the trees are in you way. All sites, regardless the "topic theme" of the site have their core group. However, some websites that have a "topic theme" really have very little discussion on that topic. Odd but true. This not the only boat site that functions this way, and its not hard to tell that this site is really more of an off shoot of THAT website, than other boating sites, or even its "name sake" site. This NOT that HotBoat.com. I know, I was a member too. There may some similarities in the forum you and others hung out in, but that was ONE forum on that site. Same could be said for PB today. There are those that never venture out of Open Water there. But is NOT the most popular and most posted in forum there. There is more talk about boats, from people that own boats on that site and others, than all the non boat discussion COMBINED!
Now go look at the "other" site and see the amount of Lounge Lizards posting. Then look in the forums talking about boats. See any similarities?

This site functions more as a Facebook page than a boating theme website. Its the direction the owners and original members that left the other site took it.
Question is WHY was this site started? Because you liked the other site, just not some the people on it? Or some of the content that was allowed? Too much negativity? What ever the reason, it was YOUR reason and that's COOL. But don't expect it to be any different except you are in control of the language, politics, pictures, etc. Other than that, ITS THE SAME DAMN SITE! Different players in a different party, but its still an on line party. Its social chat room, for a core clique.

It is what you choose to make it.

I think Bob is right on this.

[WESTERNAERO]

I think Bob is right on this.

I think Bob is sorta right on this.:D

[HB Vic]

It is what you choose to make it.

I guess that's the bottom line Bob. But it isn't what I choose to make it, its what you choose to make it. You can choose to share your experiences here, or not. That choice is yours, not mine.

And please don't forget, we're only just over a year old. People are still finding their way.

As to the why? I started this site because I didn't really like most of the other ones. So I wanted to do something a little different. Maybe that isn't too evident now, but that is the long term goal. If I had endless resources and capital, it would come to fruition sooner vs later.

I can take criticism Bob. I'm not perfect. And by no means am I any sort of internet wizard. Just a sorta regular guy who loves boating, and doing my best to make this place a nice place to hang out for anyone who chooses to do so.

[Eli]

I guess that's the bottom line Bob. But it isn't what I choose to make it, its what you choose to make it. You can choose to share your experiences here, or not. That choice is yours, not mine.

And please don't forget, we're only just over a year old. People are still finding their way.

As to the why? I started this site because I didn't really like most of the other ones. So I wanted to do something a little different. Maybe that isn't too evident now, but that is the long term goal. If I had endless resources and capital, it would come to fruition sooner vs later.

I can take criticism Bob. I'm not perfect. And by no means am I any sort of internet wizard. Just a sorta regular guy who loves boating, and doing my best to make this place a nice place to hang out for anyone who chooses to do so.

Isn't boating about 1) boats; 2) socializing?

IMO: It almost sounds like some people want a "boat building" technical only website instead of a "boating" website. If people venture out on this site they can see it has plenty of both.

Forums are as strong as the content their members add to the site.
You want more boat builds? Post it
You want more socializing? Post it
You want more boating content? Post it
You want more pics? Post it
You want "it" post "it". It's that simple.

Just stop sitting there behind your keyboard complaining that you're not getting what you want...complaining isn't going to change it. Bring what you want to the forum and people will appreciate you more for it.



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[Milkmoney]

Thanks for the compliment...I'm not good at taking them. But, I can dish them out like a champ!

I don't blame you for not letting me near her...she will be "changed" forever :D

On a serious note, what did you have to do to convince her to date you? That's a question I'm confident a lot of people want to know. :D


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Ur welcome. I jus asked her if she would like to meet . That easy. :)
So now you and a lot people know

[314joey]

I like the three Bs.................beer, bikinis and boats not necessarily in the order.

maybe this has been asked, but have you thought about a "like or thanks" button, it works on some and not on others.

[Tishimself]

I will take a shot at this for you Vic, but don't take it as a slam, it IS NOT. Its a personal observation of the undeniable facts.
YOU are on the inside. You can't see the forest because the trees are in you way. All sites, regardless the "topic theme" of the site have their core group. However, some websites that have a "topic theme" really have very little discussion on that topic. Odd but true. This not the only boat site that functions this way, and its not hard to tell that this site is really more of an off shoot of THAT website, than other boating sites, or even its "name sake" site. This NOT that HotBoat.com. I know, I was a member too. There may some similarities in the forum you and others hung out in, but that was ONE forum on that site. Same could be said for PB today. There are those that never venture out of Open Water there. But is NOT the most popular and most posted in forum there. There is more talk about boats, from people that own boats on that site and others, than all the non boat discussion COMBINED!
Now go look at the "other" site and see the amount of Lounge Lizards posting. Then look in the forums talking about boats. See any similarities?

This site functions more as a Facebook page than a boating theme website. Its the direction the owners and original members that left the other site took it.
Question is WHY was this site started? Because you liked the other site, just not some the people on it? Or some of the content that was allowed? Too much negativity? What ever the reason, it was YOUR reason and that's COOL. But don't expect it to be any different except you are in control of the language, politics, pictures, etc. Other than that, ITS THE SAME DAMN SITE! Different players in a different party, but its still an on line party. Its social chat room, for a core clique.

It is what you choose to make it.

While I am technically no longer a member of this site, I want to come on at least this once and say I could not disagree more with Bob here. There is a striking difference between this site and "the others" and that was why I liked being here so much. HB, just keep going with this, people come and go off the site as do people in and out of our lives. I think this is a great site, and as people come on board and find they have a knack for posting, and sharing experience and intelligence, this place will find it's own way. In the meantime...I think the site has a life of it's own...I wish it the best, that's for sure....best to you all.

[H2oSki2Fast]

Why do I get dizzy when I look over the edge of a tall building?

CC

It's common for "older" people to experience vertigo. ;)

[gn7]

I guess that's the bottom line Bob. But it isn't what I choose to make it, its what you choose to make it. You can choose to share your experiences here, or not. That choice is yours, not mine.

.

Let me correct that a "LITTLE"
Its what you ALLOW it to be.
You are so Kumbaya. You kind of remind me of Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along" Sure we can Vic. Just do this. :lalala: Then click your heel together 3 times and repeat, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home"

It is what it is, because YOU and the core group are comfortable with the way it is. Possibly at the risk of how uncomfortable it is for outsiders. Or that it is not what they thought they were signing on for. They thought it was a boat site, and it turned out to be a chat room for a dozen core clique.

This place is like a hot babe. Your smile and words say "welcome", but your body language says "touch me and I will break your nose"

[H2oSki2Fast]

Let me correct that a "LITTLE"
Its what you ALLOW it to be.
You are so Kumbaya. You kind of remind me of Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along" Sure we can Vic. Just do this. :lalala: Then click your heel together 3 times and repeat, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home"

It is what it is, because YOU and the core group are comfortable with the way it is. Possibly at the risk of how uncomfortable it is for outsiders. Or that it is not what they thought they were signing on for. They thought it was a boat site, and it turned out to be a chat room for a dozen core clique.

This place is like a hot babe. Your smile and words say "welcome", but your body language says "touch me and I will break your nose"

If this place is so bad, as you claim, then why are you here? And I totally agree with you on the outsiders not wanting to post here, but if you aren't part of the solution.........

[ChumpChange]

Let me correct that a "LITTLE"
Its what you ALLOW it to be.
You are so Kumbaya. You kind of remind me of Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along" Sure we can Vic. Just do this. :lalala: Then click your heel together 3 times and repeat, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home"

.......

This place is like a hot babe. Your smile and words say "welcome", but your body language says "touch me and I will break your nose"

The whole ALLOW it to be comment is off base. What would happen if you got to run the site the way you wanted to Bob? Talk all the smack you want, bash people, tell them they're wrong, you know everything.....yada yada yada. Chances are, nobody would be there wading through all the crap until a topic comes along where you do know what you're talking about. There would be no reason to unless you liked to be bashed. It's not Kumbaya but there's a balance when it comes to running a business. You're seeing it from the customer/usery side. If you we're on the management side, your business would be out of business.

And in regards to the hot babes comment....... some of us have never had that problem. Maybe it's you. ;)

[HB Vic]

Let me correct that a "LITTLE"
Its what you ALLOW it to be.
You are so Kumbaya. You kind of remind me of Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along" Sure we can Vic. Just do this. :lalala: Then click your heel together 3 times and repeat, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home"

It is what it is, because YOU and the core group are comfortable with the way it is. Possibly at the risk of how uncomfortable it is for outsiders.

This place is like a hot babe. Your smile and words say "welcome", but your body language says "touch me and I will break your nose"

Little story Bob, true story. Years ago, I would say at least 20, I was a little younger then and a hell of a lot more impressionable. I'm a little thick and crusty now and a hell of a lot less apt to judge people based on their outer coating. Anyway, I used to work with a couple of guys who between the two of them couldn't put two positive words together to save their lives.

We called them "Doom and Gloom".

Doom and Gloom absolutely never had anything good or positive to say about anyone or anything. They were two perfect peas in a pod. No one could convince these guys that the sky was not falling and that they were not going to die of a disease infected mosquito bite.

Working with them really was the worst experience of my working career.

I made a pretty conscious decision back then to do everything in my power to stay as far away as possible from the doom and glooms of the world.
I try to be as positive an influence, as I can, in everything I do.

I can't control everything that gets posted here, but I can do my best to keep the negativity away.

So am I all Kumbaya? Maybe I am Bob. Is that a bad thing?? I sure can think of worse things to be :D

[HB Vic]

The effort to make this site available has been incredible.I do not understand why you are spending so much time on just a couple of high maintenance members.

I appreciate your support, nothing but kind words. Thank you.

I don't consider Bob high maintenance. I think Bob has a lot of life experience :D

[HB Vic]

i was not referring to bob.lol

lol whoops :d

[gn7]

You are reading me wrong. I will say this as clearly as possible.
It is the site, the EXACT site Vic and the core clique want it to be, that's why it took the direction it did. Its not a matter of good or bad, right or wrong.
The question was why some lurk, some join and scoot. If you don't like the WHY as I explained it from my point of view, that's cool. I am not suggesting any changes are made, not looking to pull anybody out of their comfort zone here, Not negative as you think Vic. Its like trashing your choice of colors for your boat. There is no good or bad, right or wrong. It just is and it is what you chose to make it.

If you wanted it different, it would be different. Just like the interior of your boat. You changed it. Or if you painted the boat.
Grads doesn't like jet boats, so I assume he doesn't ride in them. Doesn't make jets bad boats, just not Grads thing.
No different here. If the people that join and scoot, or join and lurk don't see anything worth discussing, they won't.
Doesn't make it wrong. Maybe just not what they expected when they signed on. I think you can see how could happen.

Ever go to Whitehouse.com? Not what you'll expect, Its not a government site. The title is a little misleading. You won't stay long. Same could be happening here. Its just not what they expected
Am I suggesting they change the site to a government discussion site? Hell no. Its is exactly the site they set it up to be.

[314joey]

Life is short and we all have to enjoy what we're doing "now" because it could be over at any minute, if you're not happpy doing whatever it is, being this web-site or whatever, move on.

LIVE LIFE


Thanks for the site hotboat.

[Chick]

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[2manymustangs]

Life is short and we all have to enjoy what we're doing "now" because it could be over at any minute, if you're not happpy doing whatever it is, being this web-site or whatever, move on.

LIVE LIFE


Thanks for the site hotboat.

AMEN brother... That is how I ended up here... :)

[Stainless]

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Agreed. ;)
Where you get your emoticons?Haven't seen that one?


CH3NO2

[gn7]

Life is short and we all have to enjoy what we're doing "now" because it could be over at any minute, if you're not happpy doing whatever it is, being this web-site or whatever, move on.

LIVE LIFE


Thanks for the site hotboat.


AMEN brother... That is how I ended up here... :)


Agreed. ;)
Where you get your emoticons?Haven't seen that one?


CH3NO2

I think that sums up the answer to the person that wrote the question to Vic fairly well and reaffirms everything I said. Did I some how say something different.
If you don't like it, don't post, or move on. How does that not answer the question as it was put to Vic?
If the question HOW do you keep that from happening, as Vic mentioned, that's a different topic. The question is WHY, and you all answered that very well, "If you don't like it, FUCK OFF!"

[2manymustangs]

Isn't boating about 1) boats; 2) socializing?

IMO: It almost sounds like some people want a "boat building" technical only website instead of a "boating" website. If people venture out on this site they can see it has plenty of both.

Forums are as strong as the content their members add to the site.
You want more boat builds? Post it
You want more socializing? Post it
You want more boating content? Post it
You want more pics? Post it
You want "it" post "it". It's that simple.

Just stop sitting there behind your keyboard complaining that you're not getting what you want...complaining isn't going to change it. Bring what you want to the forum and people will appreciate you more for it.



Sent from my Bat Cave


I like the three Bs.................beer, bikinis and boats not necessarily in the order.

maybe this has been asked, but have you thought about a "like or thanks" button, it works on some and not on others.

Boating is TOTALLY about socializing....... I will never race in a serious way but I like to SOCIALIZE with FRIENDS while I watch the races...

I dont give a rats ass if im on my dads pontoon, my nephews roll bar boat, my kayaks OR in a duffy buzzing around Naples/Belmont Shores/Marina Pacifica it's social... Take the duffy on Thursday nights to watch the municipal band in the park at the stadium... Raft up 10 boats with friends... Float down the ozark streams in my kayaks or canoes...

It's social, much like the sandbar discussion... That is IF your a social type of person...

The ride to Catalina on the express is social...

Prolly the LEAST social boating I do is fishing from my kayaks but I do enjoy the company IF someone likes to spend HOURS teasing the bass with plastic worms like I do...

It's social... And I will never be a racer but that doesn't make me any LESS of a boater... I boat, I grill, I eat, I drink, I listen to music, sometimes go out in the dark with my wife (but thats a story for another day)... Yes, screwing on boats is a GREAT social activity, the rocking can work in your favor if your timing is good...

BOATING IS SOCIAL...


My ? to HOTBOAT "WE-GET-LETTERS"... "How can people NOT consider boating a social activity and how can those same people expect a boating site to be void of SOCIAL topics/discussions"???


35486

35487

^^^^ Look at all the boats, are they BOATING or Socializing??? :hmmm:


How Not To Suck At Socializing – Do’s & Don’ts
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/how-not-to-suck-at-socializing-dos-donts.html

[Taboma]

You are reading me wrong. I will say this as clearly as possible.
It is the site, the EXACT site Vic and the core clique want it to be, that's why it took the direction it did. Its not a matter of good or bad, right or wrong.
The question was why some lurk, some join and scoot. If you don't like the WHY as I explained it from my point of view, that's cool. I am not suggesting any changes are made, not looking to pull anybody out of their comfort zone here, Not negative as you think Vic. Its like trashing your choice of colors for your boat. There is no good or bad, right or wrong. It just is and it is what you chose to make it.

If you wanted it different, it would be different. Just like the interior of your boat. You changed it. Or if you painted the boat.
Grads doesn't like jet boats, so I assume he doesn't ride in them. Doesn't make jets bad boats, just not Grads thing.
No different here. If the people that join and scoot, or join and lurk don't see anything worth discussing, they won't.
Doesn't make it wrong. Maybe just not what they expected when they signed on. I think you can see how could happen.

Ever go to Whitehouse.com? Not what you'll expect, Its not a government site. The title is a little misleading. You won't stay long. Same could be happening here. Its just not what they expected
Am I suggesting they change the site to a government discussion site? Hell no. Its is exactly the site they set it up to be.

Well Bob, I'm certainly well outside the clique and I agree with you. I certainly enjoy reading some of the threads here, I especially enjoyed the Old school and V-drive contributions you and Sharp Shooter were making.

I'll keep stopping by and checking to see if there's anything I feel I can contribute that would be of interest or help anybody.

I did buy a couple of shirts :action-smiley-035:

Regardless of my direct participation, I certainly hope the best for this site and your efforts Vic :thumbup:

[Pickled]

Let me correct that a "LITTLE"
Its what you ALLOW it to be.
You are so Kumbaya. You kind of remind me of Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along" Sure we can Vic. Just do this. :lalala: Then click your heel together 3 times and repeat, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home"

It is what it is, because YOU and the core group are comfortable with the way it is. Possibly at the risk of how uncomfortable it is for outsiders. Or that it is not what they thought they were signing on for. They thought it was a boat site, and it turned out to be a chat room for a dozen core clique.

This place is like a hot babe. Your smile and words say "welcome", but your body language says "touch me and I will break your nose"

I don't know Bob. I don't know a single poster here. I will say this, He knows of what he speaks when it comes to the feel of most, if not all forums. A core clique, outsiders are just that. Bob's observations comparing this to FB are pretty close.

[ChumpChange]

I don't know Bob. I don't know a single poster here. I will say this, He knows of what he speaks when it comes to the feel of most, if not all forums. A core clique, outsiders are just that. Bob's observations comparing this to FB are pretty close.

It's not that hard to be an insider. All you have to do is post. Once you're name is seen enough, the freindships start. I've met very few people on the forums over the years yet I have a substantial amount of posts because I choose to. It's a choice. Much of the time it might be drivel but when it comes to my forte, I'll make sure I'm there to help.

I don't have a FB account so I can't comment there.

[She's Mine]

Life is short and we all have to enjoy what we're doing "now" because it could be over at any minute, if you're not happpy doing whatever it is, being this web-site or whatever, move on.

LIVE LIFE


Thanks for the site hotboat.

Couldn't have been said better....

[bb88]

I like to be social and I like boats. Anyone want to be my friend or have I pissed too many people off here? Honest question

[Taboma]

It's not that hard to be an insider. All you have to do is post. Once you're name is seen enough, the freindships start. I've met very few people on the forums over the years yet I have a substantial amount of posts because I choose to. It's a choice. Much of the time it might be drivel but when it comes to my forte, I'll make sure I'm there to help.

I don't have a FB account so I can't comment there.

Mateo, you Vic, Eli, hell even Grads, seem like nice enough folks, and if somebody is coming on this site seeking boating friendships, then perhaps this is the place for them. But there are those of us who simply enjoy reading about, discussing and learning more about boats. I'm not saying I don't enjoy waiting to see if Grad's is going to blow up his paddleboard with a Willie Peter flare, of course I don't want him to get hurt, but the stories are funny as shit. But there's nothing I can add to it, it is what it is. I enjoy your jokes, I enjoy the pictures here, I enjoy the boat events being covered. But I'm not looking for new friends or a group to drink with. But that's just me, unlike what 2manymustangs believes and enjoys, there's a lot of us who boat because it often offers the opportunity to get away from people and the crowds. I don't care what the hoards are doing up at the sandbar or copper canyon, it's easy enough to boat the opposite or stay home those weekends.
Like Bob said, those that find here what they're seeking will stay and perhaps in time they'll be welcomed into the inner circle, or not and leave.
Hey, at least I'm posting :yes:

[ChumpChange]

Mateo, you Vic, Eli, hell even Grads, seem like nice enough folks, and if somebody is coming on this site seeking boating friendships, then perhaps this is the place for them. But there are those of us who simply enjoy reading about, discussing and learning more about boats. I'm not saying I don't enjoy waiting to see if Grad's is going to blow up his paddleboard with a Willie Peter flare, of course I don't want him to get hurt, but the stories are funny as shit. But there's nothing I can add to it, it is what it is. I enjoy your jokes, I enjoy the pictures here, I enjoy the boat events being covered. But I'm not looking for new friends or a group to drink with. But that's just me, unlike what 2manymustangs believes and enjoys, there's a lot of us who boat because it often offers the opportunity to get away from people and the crowds. I don't care what the hoards are doing up at the sandbar or copper canyon, it's easy enough to boat the opposite or stay home those weekends.
Like Bob said, those that find here what they're seeking will stay and perhaps in time they'll be welcomed into the inner circle, or not and leave.
Hey, at least I'm posting :yes:

I'm not looking for new friends either. I have enough of them and even that many is too many. I'm a work-a-holic and beyond that, a homebody if I don't have work to do.

As it relates to boating, I used boating the same way, find a channel and get away from the busyness of life. I use the forum the same way. Although some might not think so, I'm a VERY busy person with what I do. I just manage it really really really well and it allows me to flip through forums and post throughout the day in between the crazy never ending tasks I do. I post because it takes me away from the monotony of what I do. I always have to be doing four things at once.

[Stainless]

It's not that hard to be an insider. All you have to do is post. Once you're name is seen enough, the freindships start. I've met very few people on the forums over the years yet I have a substantial amount of posts because I choose to. It's a choice. Much of the time it might be drivel but when it comes to my forte, I'll make sure I'm there to help.


I agree, except I don't see an inside or outside. I try and engage in all conversations especially when they are funny. :D I rarely venture outside the sandbar bc that's where the humor exists.
If I don't post in the more serious threads it's bc I'm not knowledgable of the subject matter. I rarely comment on videos bc it takes soooo long for them to load on my phone. That said, I would love to see some new friendships forged here. :)






CH3NO2

[HB Vic]

Honestly I think the reference to this place being like a FB account is pretty funny.

As far as a clique. Here are a few book definitions for you.

Webster: : a small group of people who spend time together and who are not friendly to other people
Wiki: is a group of "persons who interact with each other more regularly and intensely than others in the same setting."
Dictionary.com: a small, exclusive group of people

With the exception of our "clique" not being friendly to other people, 100% inaccurate.

You may want to consider this. Only about 10% of the regular population of any social media site actually post. So if you have 200 regular IG followers, expect 20 to post on a regular basis. We have around 200 members on the site on a daily basis. And we have around 15-20 people that post on a regular basis. If you want to call those 20 a clique, I posted the definition and won't argue with you. But when the site has 500 on a regular basis and 50 people are posting on a daily basis, will you still call that a clique?? :D

[ChumpChange]

I don't know Bob. I don't know a single poster here. I will say this, He knows of what he speaks when it comes to the feel of most, if not all forums. A core clique, outsiders are just that. Bob's observations comparing this to FB are pretty close.

Forgot to mention. I dig the screen name. ;)

[Pickled]

Mateo, you Vic, Eli, hell even Grads, seem like nice enough folks, and if somebody is coming on this site seeking boating friendships, then perhaps this is the place for them. But there are those of us who simply enjoy reading about, discussing and learning more about boats. I'm not saying I don't enjoy waiting to see if Grad's is going to blow up his paddleboard with a Willie Peter flare, of course I don't want him to get hurt, but the stories are funny as shit. But there's nothing I can add to it, it is what it is. I enjoy your jokes, I enjoy the pictures here, I enjoy the boat events being covered. But I'm not looking for new friends or a group to drink with. But that's just me, unlike what 2manymustangs believes and enjoys, there's a lot of us who boat because it often offers the opportunity to get away from people and the crowds. I don't care what the hoards are doing up at the sandbar or copper canyon, it's easy enough to boat the opposite or stay home those weekends.
Like Bob said, those that find here what they're seeking will stay and perhaps in time they'll be welcomed into the inner circle, or not and leave.
Hey, at least I'm posting :yes:

Exactly my feelings. Here's what I don't get; post to one another, about one another. Then, hang out at the lake or the river, then post to one another about what we did over the weekend?

Then; (this is hilarious) I read how Eli gets text's about what happened on the forum, about what we all did together over the weekend????? It all seems like a Chinese fire drill. Then, Eli posts on the forum about the texts she got about something?

I guess I don't really understand. Like Taboma, I'm not really looking for new boating friends. It's kinda like watching reality television I guess. I boat cuz I like lots of HP and don't enjoy speeding tickets.

[314joey]

I agree, except I don't see an inside or outside. I try and engage in all conversations especially when they are funny. :D I rarely venture outside the sandbar bc that's where the humor exists.
If I don't post in the more serious threads it's bc I'm not knowledgable of the subject matter. I rarely comment on videos bc it takes soooo long for them to load on my phone. That said, I would love to see some new friendships forged here. :)



I agree,....................... I'm CERTAINLY in no inner circle, crap, I'm the East Coast Florida guy with a big azz v-hull, I couldn't fit in any worse, but I love boats, any kind of boat and I like 95% of people, just not the mean ones, but in my life if what I'm doing I'm not happy I don't do it or if I'm on a boating site and I don't like something I don't read it or I ignore it, what do you do at home if you don't like something, go do something else or change the channel, but be HAPPY

[2manymustangs]

Exactly my feelings. Here's what I don't get; post to one another, about one another. Then, hang out at the lake or the river, then post to one another about what we did over the weekend?

Then; (this is hilarious) I read how Eli gets text's about what happened on the forum, about what we all did together over the weekend????? It all seems like a Chinese fire drill. Then, Eli posts on the forum about the texts she got about something?

I guess I don't really understand. Like Taboma, I'm not really looking for new boating friends. It's kinda like watching reality television I guess. I boat cuz I like lots of HP and don't enjoy speeding tickets.

Do you boat alone? With your wife/kids? A group of friends? Do you meet up with friends when you boat OR do you launch/run/load and go home?

I dont want anyone to get me wrong, at times I may want to check out a freak show like Party COve or the channel at Havazoo but typically it would be a much smaller group, just family... BUT if your boating with even just 2-3 others it's still a social activity no???

I dont see many folks at the races sitting there with a program/binoculars watching the races and not visiting/socializing with others around them...

I do like reading about boat tech/engine tech/history threads but I'll be damned if I am going to make a comment knowing that someone is going to trash me and call me names and threaten to "bitch slap" me the next time he sees me over my comment/question/input/opinion... FUCK that... And for the record, there will be NO "bitch slapping" of anyone if im around... The person that made that statement knows who/when/why he said it AND knows that its a bunch of B.S.... SO many people just read/look at the pics and move on to a more social thread where they feel that they are among friends...

[HB Vic]

Mateo, you Vic, Eli, hell even Grads, seem like nice enough folks, and if somebody is coming on this site seeking boating friendships, then perhaps this is the place for them. But there are those of us who simply enjoy reading about, discussing and learning more about boats. I'm not saying I don't enjoy waiting to see if Grad's is going to blow up his paddleboard with a Willie Peter flare, of course I don't want him to get hurt, but the stories are funny as shit. But there's nothing I can add to it, it is what it is. I enjoy your jokes, I enjoy the pictures here, I enjoy the boat events being covered. But I'm not looking for new friends or a group to drink with. But that's just me, unlike what 2manymustangs believes and enjoys, there's a lot of us who boat because it often offers the opportunity to get away from people and the crowds. I don't care what the hoards are doing up at the sandbar or copper canyon, it's easy enough to boat the opposite or stay home those weekends.
Like Bob said, those that find here what they're seeking will stay and perhaps in time they'll be welcomed into the inner circle, or not and leave.
Hey, at least I'm posting :yes:

Inner circle? Ok lets see, I known Mateo for awhile. We've had a business lunch or two, never hung out with him outside of that. Met Grads and hung out a little with him once at the Christmas cruise, nice guy in person. Maybe a few times for Eli, Catalina ski races, once on the HB Cruise, and at the SCOPE party. Met 2MM at Needles a couple weeks ago, first time I met him. Very cool guy by the way. Also met Paul65K for the first time at Needles, also a very nice guy. Each and every one of the "inner circle" folks are actually very nice people, considering I really don't know them that well. Hoping to get to know them a little better actually.

Honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to get much of a different story from any of the "inner circle" lol

[HB Vic]

On a lighter note, today is in fact Fat Tuesday. How will you celebrate?? :D

[gn7]

Honestly I think the reference to this place being like a FB account is pretty funny.

As far as a clique. Here are a few book definitions for you.

Webster: : a small group of people who spend time together and who are not friendly to other people
Wiki: is a group of "persons who interact with each other more regularly and intensely than others in the same setting."
Dictionary.com: a small, exclusive group of people

With the exception of our "clique" not being friendly to other people, 100% inaccurate.

You may want to consider this. Only about 10% of the regular population of any social media site actually post. So if you have 200 regular IG followers, expect 20 to post on a regular basis. We have around 200 members on the site on a daily basis. And we have around 15-20 people that post on a regular basis. If you want to call those 20 a clique, I posted the definition and won't argue with you. But when the site has 500 on a regular basis and 50 people are posting on a daily basis, will you still call that a clique?? :D

I will disagree with the UNFREINDLY definition, because I reserve that right, It can be indifferent, or closed. It does not have to be unfriendly.
No need to be unfriendly.
Like dating a bitch that can only hold a conversation about her and her friends,
So I will stick to MY definition of a clique.

[Pickled]

Do you boat alone? With your wife/kids? A group of friends? Do you meet up with friends when you boat OR do you launch/run/load and go home?

I dont want anyone to get me wrong, at times I may want to check out a freak show like Party COve or the channel at Havazoo but typically it would be a much smaller group, just family... BUT if your boating with even just 2-3 others it's still a social activity no???

I dont see many folks at the races sitting there with a program/binoculars watching the races and not visiting/socializing with others around them...

I do like reading about boat tech/engine tech/history threads but I'll be damned if I am going to make a comment knowing that someone is going to trash me and call me names and threaten to "bitch slap" me the next time he sees me over my comment/question/input/opinion... FUCK that... And for the record, there will be NO "bitch slapping" of anyone if im around... The person that made that statement knows who/when/why he said it AND knows that its a bunch of B.S.... SO many people just read/look at the pics and move on to a more social thread where they feel that they are among friends...

Funny you ask. Typically I get up really early, go alone and get the good water for a few hot laps. Trailer it, clean it, drive it home and still have all day with the family. Wife has lost interest in the lake. Been doing the heat too long for her.

[HB Vic]

I will disagree with the UNFREINDLY definition, because I reserve that right, It can be indifferent, or closed. It does not have to be unfriendly.
No need to be unfriendly.
Like dating a bitch that can only hold a conversation about her and her friends,
So I will stick to MY definition of a clique.

Mmmmmm ok.

[Paul65K]

Inner circle? Ok lets see, I known Mateo for awhile. We've had a business lunch or two, never hung out with him outside of that. Met Grads and hung out a little with him once at the Christmas cruise, nice guy in person. Maybe a few times for Eli, Catalina ski races, once on the HB Cruise, and at the SCOPE party. Met 2MM at Needles a couple weeks ago, first time I met him. Very cool guy by the way. Also met Paul65K for the first time at Needles, also a very nice guy. Each and every one of the "inner circle" folks are actually very nice people, considering I really don't know them that well. Hoping to get to know them a little better actually.

Honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to get much of a different story from any of the "inner circle" lolHey 2MM..........we made the inner circle Woo Hoo!!!:jumping-smiley-019:

[Sharp shooter]

I do not understand why you are spending so much time on just a couple of high maintenance members.

Hotboat.com aka the island of misfit toys.:D

http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0702_dscharlie.jpg

[2manymustangs]

Hey 2MM..........we made the inner circle Woo Hoo!!!:jumping-smiley-019:

Just don't forget the secret handshake Vic taught us... :yes:

[WESTERNAERO]

Hey 2MM..........we made the inner circle Woo Hoo!!!:jumping-smiley-019:
Damn, you don't want to know the visual I just got with your statement. GRADS would have had a field day with that one....:biggrin:

[Pickled]

Further; GN7 says he disagrees with "unfriendly." I would too. That is way too harsh a word. A better description might be lack of inclusiveness? Most folks here came over from the "other" board. I see or saw most all these names elsewhere. Unfriendly may fit over there.

I believe there are people, who just like the uber-social aspect of forums. Some folks even seem to need to be liked or be popular on forums. Nothing wrong with that.

[Eli]

Here I thought I was an outsider, considering most of the people who are members here have known each other (on boating forums) since the original Hotboat.com and I've only been on the boards a little over a year. At least I am among good company in the alleged "inner circle" or "clique". Anyone who knows me, knows I am as friendly as they come and won't exclude people, unless you've been an ass to me.

If my posts annoy you, this may help…

Go to my profile, you can do so by clicking on the avatar on the left --> below my profile picture click on "add to ignore list" then click "yes" there problem solved.


FYI: Stainless is in the circle. :partytime:

[riverrunner1984]

Is the inner circle like the circle of trust? Lol. 😄

[Eli]

Is the inner circle like the circle of trust? Lol. ��

Allegedly. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. Apparently, I am in some clique I was unaware of. Hopefully, I don't have to get jumped out like a gang. :D

[HB Vic]

I'm trying to figure out which one is me? :D

35488

[Eli]

I'm trying to figure out which one is me? :D

35488

I'm definitely the red one!

[riverrunner1984]

Allegedly. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. Apparently, I am in some clique I was unaware of. Hopefully, I don't have to get jumped out like a gang. :D

If I want into the clique, do I need to be hazed or jumped in? You can text me the answer hahaha

[riverrunner1984]

I'm trying to figure out which one is me? :D

35488

Homer is yellow!

[HB Vic]

Found me :D

35489

[Paul65K]

If I want into the clique, do I need to be hazed or jumped in? You can text me the answer hahaha
If you send $100 to my PayPal account you're in :D

[Eli]

If I want into the clique, do I need to be hazed or jumped in? You can text me the answer hahaha

I don't think I'm the "leader" but from the names on the roster I'm guessing you have to polish off a handle of Fireball and still stand in order to be in the clique. You've got this. If that doesn't work I take bribes for the "leader." I'll text you my secret. ;)

[Eli]

If you send $100 to my PayPal account you're in :D

Oh look apparently you're the leader :D

[Eli]

Found me :D

35489

:LMAOsmiley:

[riverrunner1984]

If you send $100 to my PayPal account you're in :D

How about a 36pack and bottle of fireball? 😃

[riverrunner1984]

I don't think I'm the "leader" but from the names on the roster I'm guessing you have to polish off a handle of Fireball and still stand in order to be in the clique. You've got this. If that doesn't work I take bribes for the "leader." I'll text you my secret. ;)

Fireball? Easy money!
Yes I get to be in woo hoo!

[gn7]

I'm definitely the red one!
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=35488&d=1393977850
Silly girl, you're all of them.

[Paul65K]

How about a 36pack and bottle of fireball? 
Done.....PM sent .......welcome aboard :D

[HB Vic]

I know I'm kinda of making light of a legitimate concern, but honestly, there is no clique here. At least not the unfriendly or uninviting type.

We want you to post, really. No joke.

[Eli]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=35488&d=1393977850
Silly girl, you're all of them.

OMG, you're so right! Wait…who told you I am at 7 personalities? Did I drunk text you? :buddies:

[Stainless]

I didn't make the cut. :(
Paul can you do the hugs thread again tomorrow? :D

Seriously, at least try posting if you want to make friends, I'm sure you have something in common with others here, if public is not your thing, try the PM method to meet potential friends.

I have crazy thoughts sometimes, here's one;
I was a member on the original HB but I doubt I ever posted bc I was shy and then it imploded bf I got courage to post. I wanted to post so bad but was afraid to. My image of the Sandbar was exactly the Sandbar up river in the Gorge, 500 boats, a thousand people drinking and partying. I drove by it several times bf I got courage to stop and have a beer, man, I'm glad I did so now. ;)


CH3NO2

[gn7]

Vic, you do realize you're making my point here.
I think you are smart enough to know I could give a rat fuck about the trashing. '
But do the others just reading. Are they ready and willing to post and get trashed by you and your core group?

I have no idea, and don't give a fuck. Its not my site, and I was not the one that asked the question why. You are. You are the one that said he had no clue. No shit Vic. You think you might be clueless? Who knew.

[HB Vic]

I didn't make the cut. :(
Paul can you do the hugs thread again tomorrow? :D

Seriously, at least try posting if you want to make friends, I'm sure you have something in common with others here, if public is not your thing, try the PM method to meet potential friends.

I have crazy thoughts sometimes, here's one;
I was a member on the original HB but I doubt I ever posted bc I was shy and then it imploded bf I got courage to post. I wanted to post so bad but was afraid to. My image of the Sandbar was exactly the Sandbar up river in the Gorge, 500 boats, a thousand people drinking and partying. I drove by it several times bf I got courage to stop and have a beer, man, I'm glad I did so now. ;)


CH3NO2

I thought you are the blue one? blue blush stainless right? :D

[HB Vic]

Vic, you do realize you're making my point here.
I think you are smart enough to know I could give a rat fuck about the trashing. '
But do the others just reading. Are they ready and willing to post and get trashed by you and your core group?

I have no idea, and don't give a fuck. Its not my site, and I was not the one that asked the question why. You are. You are the one that said he had no clue. No shit Vic. You think you might be clueless? Who knew.

Get trashed by me and the core group for posting? Bob you hitting the pipe again today?

[Eli]

Here I thought I was an outsider, considering most of the people who are members here have known each other (on boating forums) since the original Hotboat.com and I've only been on the boards a little over a year. At least I am among good company in the alleged "inner circle" or "clique". Anyone who knows me, knows I am as friendly as they come and won't exclude people, unless you've been an ass to me.

If my posts annoy you, this may help…

Go to my profile, you can do so by clicking on the avatar on the left --> below my profile picture click on "add to ignore list" then click "yes" there problem solved.


FYI: Stainless is in the circle. :partytime:


I didn't make the cut. :(
Paul can you do the hugs thread again tomorrow? :D

Seriously, at least try posting if you want to make friends, I'm sure you have something in common with others here, if public is not your thing, try the PM method to meet potential friends.

I have crazy thoughts sometimes, here's one;
I was a member on the original HB but I doubt I ever posted bc I was shy and then it imploded bf I got courage to post. I wanted to post so bad but was afraid to. My image of the Sandbar was exactly the Sandbar up river in the Gorge, 500 boats, a thousand people drinking and partying. I drove by it several times bf I got courage to stop and have a beer, man, I'm glad I did so now. ;)


CH3NO2
Please see above.


Vic, you do realize you're making my point here.
I think you are smart enough to know I could give a rat fuck about the trashing. '
But do the others just reading. Are they ready and willing to post and get trashed by you and your core group?

I have no idea, and don't give a fuck. Its not my site, and I was not the one that asked the question why. You are. You are the one that said he had no clue. No shit Vic. You think you might be clueless? Who knew.

Who's trashing whom? I just read through at least 5 posts trashing me for being friendly and inquisitive. I think I make way more people comfortable to post and am welcoming. If you read my posts you KNOW I won't trash you and I will welcome you. Frankly, that's why people who see me at random places feel free to come up to me in person. Can't possibly be because they want to get trashed in person.

[Sharp shooter]

Do you boat alone? With your wife/kids? A group of friends? Do you meet up with friends when you boat OR do you launch/run/load and go home?

I dont want anyone to get me wrong, at times I may want to check out a freak show like Party COve or the channel at Havazoo but typically it would be a much smaller group, just family... BUT if your boating with even just 2-3 others it's still a social activity no???

I dont see many folks at the races sitting there with a program/binoculars watching the races and not visiting/socializing with others around them...

I do like reading about boat tech/engine tech/history threads but I'll be damned if I am going to make a comment knowing that someone is going to trash me and call me names and threaten to "bitch slap" me the next time he sees me over my comment/question/input/opinion... FUCK that... And for the record, there will be NO "bitch slapping" of anyone if im around... The person that made that statement knows who/when/why he said it AND knows that its a bunch of B.S.... SO many people just read/look at the pics and move on to a more social thread where they feel that they are among friends...

Lol!! Bruce, I'm sending a therapist over! :D

I grew up learning to ski at age 6. When our family went boating it was to ski not to socialize (we socialized plenty at home). When we attended boat races it wasn't to socialize, it was to watch the races.

When I got old enough to get my 1st boat it was much like the cars I had at the time. Make it faster and go have fun running it and looking for races.

Into my 20's, I realized I really didn't have the love for skiing like my dad so I did less and less of it. My enjoyment came from racing across the water either alone or next to someone and if some chicks happened along well, it was time to socialize. :D

When I got with boating clubs (25 years old) I noticed that the club guys enjoyed the social aspects, but the subject matter stayed boats (the common bond). I feel like some of you folks are like a bunch of kids bragging about what you drank the night before which doesn't interest me in the least. Anybody can obliterate themselves with alcohol so what makes it something to brag about?

I've been on havasu and parker for many 3 day weekends, but those trips were purely for trim trolling as I knew the crowds would ruin the water.

Socializing is fine, but for me it's not why I go boating or click on boating sites. I might participate occasionally in social sections, but it's not why I'm here.

[Sharp shooter]

I just read through at least 5 posts trashing me for being friendly and inquisitive. I think I make way more people comfortable to post and am welcoming. If you read my posts you KNOW I won't trash you and I will welcome you. Frankly, that's why people who see me at random places feel free to come up to me in person. Can't possibly be because they want to get trashed in person.

Eli,
If I had to guess, I would bet you bring more people to this site than anyone else. GN-7 is probably second and half of those following Bob just want to see what he's going to say next without necessarily liking him (like Howard Stern). :D

[Paul65K]

I've been on Havasu and Parker for many 3 day weekends, but those trips were purely for trim trolling as I knew the crowds would ruin the water.


C'mon.....do people really do that??? :yikes:

[gn7]

Get trashed by me and the core group for posting? Bob you hitting the pipe again today?

My perception Vic, or that of someone else just reading.
You the others making it real friendly here to discuss your question that started this exchange? No ridiculing? Like I said Vic, you know I don't give a rats ass. Not so sure about the guy that isn't posting, and how he feels bout doing so in the future. You either want participation from outside, you don't. Your driving the bus here.
A couple others agreed with me if you BOTHER to go read them. But lets mock the idea as ludicrous, be WE know its not true. Right Vic. If you ridicule me, is it just me, or anybody that might have agreed with me as well?

[Paul65K]

My perception Vic, or that of someone else just reading.
You the others making it real friendly here to discuss your question that started this exchange? No ridiculing? Like I said Vic, you know I don't give a rats ass. Not so sure about the guy that isn't posting, and how he feels bout doing so in the future. You either want participation from outside, you don't. Your driving the bus here.
A couple others agreed with me if you BOTHER to go read them. But lets mock the idea as ludicrous, be WE know its not true. Right Vic. If you ridicule me, is it just me, or anybody that might have agreed with me as well?
Hey Bob.......sometimes we don't ALWAYS have to be right or even win every debate......difference of opinion is what makes the world go round, but then again that's just my opinion :hilarious:

[Eli]

Eli,
If I had to guess, I would bet you bring more people to this site than anyone else. GN-7 is probably second and half of those following Bob just want to see what he's going to say next without necessarily liking him (like Howard Stern). :D

Thank you! I hope I make people feel more comfortable about posting, if they want to post that is. Mostly, I like putting a smile on people's faces. We all have stressful lives and need a break every now and again.

[Stainless]

All this thread is missing is Grads. :D


CH3NO2

[riverrunner1984]

All this thread is missing is Grads. :D


CH3NO2

Lmfao! You are right!

[Paul65K]

All this thread is missing is Grads. :D


CH3NO2You know what's interesting about this thought?? Never once have I seen GRADS get aggressive on the site........he certainly does some weird stuff but he's not an argumentative guy that I've seen, he'll be back...........I hope :thumb:

[Eli]

All this thread is missing is Grads. :D


CH3NO2

I was just thinking the same thing! I miss the little guy :(


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[HB Vic]

My perception Vic, or that of someone else just reading.
You the others making it real friendly here to discuss your question that started this exchange? No ridiculing? Like I said Vic, you know I don't give a rats ass. Not so sure about the guy that isn't posting, and how he feels bout doing so in the future. You either want participation from outside, you don't. Your driving the bus here.
A couple others agreed with me of you BOTHER to go read them. But lets mock the idea as ludicrous, be WE know its not true. Right Vic.

You've made it clear you don't give a rats ass Bob, you've said it at least 6-8 times.

And I think you're getting your words crossed up just a little. The couple other posters said they felt like this place was a clique, not once did I read anything about trashing other posters.

It seems you really don't like it here Bob.

I'm sorry I could not create a place that is to your liking.

[Paul65K]

I was just thinking the same thing! I miss the little guy :(


Sent from my Bat CaveReally I didn't think you knew him THAT well :lmao

[Stainless]

You know what's interesting about this thought?? Never once have I seen GRADS get aggressive on the site........he certainly does some weird stuff but he's not an argumentative guy that I've seen, he'll be back...........I hope :thumb:

True, he just likes to toss a stink bomb in and lock the door. :D


CH3NO2

[Paul65K]

True, he just likes to toss a stink bomb in and lock the door. :D


CH3NO2
Yup....and no one does it any better :D

[H2oSki2Fast]

You've made it clear you don't give a rats ass Bob, you've said it at least 6-8 times.

And I think you're getting your words crossed up just a little. The couple other posters said they felt like this place was a clique, not once did I read anything about trashing other posters.

It seems you really don't like it here Bob.

I'm sorry I could not create a place that is to your liking.

Some people just don't like it anywhere.

[gn7]

You've made it clear you don't give a rats ass Bob, you've said it at least 6-8 times.

And I think you're getting your words crossed up just a little. The couple other posters said they felt like this place was a clique, not once did I read anything about trashing other posters.

It seems you really don't like it here Bob.

I'm sorry I could not create a place that is to your liking.

I never said I axpected you to make a site to MY liking. Do even remember the origianl question and your response?

Never said anybody else said they were getting trashed. Some others did agree it has the appearance of a tight clique.
Bob called it that, so lets kick Bob in the nut sack for calling us that.
Now how does that set with those that agreed with me? Or those that agreed and didn't bother to post. The quite lurker thinking about posting, seeing the same thing I see?

You say you are soooo welcoming. Then when somebody tries to explain what might be the perception of some on the outside, you get all denfensive and start mocking that person. Go read my first post on this topic AGAIN. I knew full well this would be YOUR and the "groups" response, and I said it anyway.
I would like to see it become something other than a chat room for a dozen people talking about whats playing on their radio, or what they had for lunch. But its of little interest to the core group, and it will take a different crowd for that to happen.

Not being critical Vic. You asked trhe question, I just suggested it may be the core group that dominates the front page, and he site ends there. Everything else is the nether regions. Like the abyss.

Could be, and don't hold me to this, but it could be as simple as the layout of the site. As simple as the layout from the top of the screen to the bottom. I don't now. I am not a website designer.

It was your question and response, not mine. I just responded to it, and now regretting I had. I can see how warmly it was recieved.

If it even matters to you. But then, you may not give anymore of a rats ass than I do.. You've made that perfectly clear to me.

[WESTERNAERO]

I curious what would happen if the sandbar was closed for a week and the only posting was in the "boating" areas.

[HB Vic]

Hey Bob you win. See ya :D


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[bb88]

I didn't make the cut. :(
Paul can you do the hugs thread again tomorrow? :D

Seriously, at least try posting if you want to make friends, I'm sure you have something in common with others here, if public is not your thing, try the PM method to meet potential friends.

I have crazy thoughts sometimes, here's one;
I was a member on the original HB but I doubt I ever posted bc I was shy and then it imploded bf I got courage to post. I wanted to post so bad but was afraid to. My image of the Sandbar was exactly the Sandbar up river in the Gorge, 500 boats, a thousand people drinking and partying. I drove by it several times bf I got courage to stop and have a beer, man, I'm glad I did so now. ;)


CH3NO2

Those sandbar days were indescribable. We will never see days like those. Dumbasses ruined it. Just like we wont see the island of boats at Copper Canyon like we used to. Today, I would not join those "raft ups" if my life depended on it. Mostly because the asses I'm watching shimmy down the pole on the pontoon boat don't look kindly to the bald graying type . :D:D

[Pickled]

I never said I axpected you to make a site to MY liking. Do even remember the origianl question and your response?

Never said anybody else said they were getting trashed. Some others did agree it has the appearance of a tight clique.
Bob called it that, so lets kick Bob in the nut sack for calling us that.
Now how does that set with those that agreed with me? Or those that agreed and didn't bother to post. The quite lurker thinking about posting, seeing the same thing I see?

You say you are soooo welcoming. Then when somebody tries to explain what might be the perception of some on the outside, you get all denfensive and start mocking that person. Go read my first post on this topic AGAIN. I knew full well this would be YOUR and the "groups" response, and I said it anyway.
I would like to see it become something other than a chat room for a dozen people talking about whats playing on their radio, or what they had for lunch. But its of little interest to the core group, and it will take a different crowd for that to happen.

Not being critical Vic. You asked trhe question, I just suggested it may be the core group that dominates the front page, and he site ends there. Everything else is the nether regions. Like the abyss.

Could be, and don't hold me to this, but it could be as simple as the layout of the site. As simple as the layout from the top of the screen to the bottom. I don't now. I am not a website designer.

It was your question and response, not mine. I just responded to it, and now regretting I had. I can see how warmly it was recieved.

If it even matters to you. But then, you may not give anymore of a rats ass than I do.. You've made that perfectly clear to me.

Again, gotta agree with Bob here. You ask a question, then disagree with honest answers from guys who read and don't post. Forums are a real interesting place. Take Eli for example, never met her. She seems like a great, sweet woman, full of life and laughs. But why would ANYONE try so damned hard to fit in on a boating website? I watched her "over there" when she first came around. She was treated extraordinarly poorly. I felt bad for her, all I could do was close the forum and think what a bunch of rat fuck guys would say those kind of things about a woman.

THAT is not being inclusive. If she was just being "hazed" screw that, it's an internet forum. Who wants that? I wander over here and POOF!! there she is, accepted. That said, nearly 100 percent of the posters here came from there, why? Is this beach better than that beach?

I don't have the answers, just a fresh set of eyes, that see's things pretty clearly. If you can't see the clique building, sorry.

Back at the very beginning of this forum. I posted something I cannot find now. I predicted this very thing would happen. Go look. With as few posts as I have it should be easy to find. I just can't work the search function properly. Completely predicable behavior.

[HB Vic]

Pretty sure I agreed with both of you based on the definition of clique with one exception.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

If you're saying this is a private party, you're way off course.


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[Pickled]

Pretty sure I agreed with both of you based on the definition of clique with one exception.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

If you're saying this is a private party, you're way off course.


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Nope, not looking to argue, just telling you what a fresh set of eyes see's. I have no skin in the game. I was actually accused of being Tom Brown here in the first few posts.

[ChumpChange]

Back at the very beginning of this forum. I posted something I cannot find now. I predicted this very thing would happen. Go look. With as few posts as I have it should be easy to find. I just can't work the search function properly. Completely predicable behavior.

Click on your name and then View Forum Posts. That will show you what you have posted without the search function.

[HB Vic]

Nope, not looking to argue, just telling you what a fresh set of eyes see's. I have no skin in the game. I was actually accused of being Tom Brown here in the first few posts.

Who's arguing? I'm agreeing with you.


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[Pickled]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?150-Nice-to-be-Clown-(brown)-free/page4

Post number 38, predictive behavior? It doesn't take a social genius to see how it would and will go.

Predicting Grads getting banned doesn't count. Too easy.

[Adrift]

Is this thread where Producers got the idea for the movie "Sideways" :hmmm:

[Eli]

Take Eli for example, never met her. She seems like a great, sweet woman, full of life and laughs. But why would ANYONE try so damned hard to fit in on a boating website? I watched her "over there" when she first came around. She was treated extraordinarly poorly. I felt bad for her, all I could do was close the forum and think what a bunch of rat fuck guys would say those kind of things about a woman.

THAT is not being inclusive. If she was just being "hazed" screw that, it's an internet forum. Who wants that? I wander over here and POOF!! there she is, accepted. That said, nearly 100 percent of the posters here came from there, why? Is this beach better than that beach?



Thank you and I am genuinely very sweet and I hope I give people lots of laughs. But, what you probably didn't notice over "there" is that there was only a handful of people who treated me "extraordinarily poorly". Some of them for stupid reasons that I won't get into. For the most part, the majority of comments were jokes, take HolyMoly for example, he gave me so much grief, but he's super nice and the grief was all in fun. Almost every time someone posted something that appeared mean, it was followed by a PM that said, "hey check out this thread/post, I kicked you in the nuts, haha." I laughed and played along, not because I want to fit in, but because I appreciate the humor and I dish it out myself. There was the exception of the handful of "hazers" who don't spend much time here, if any. With that said, I didn't "try" to fit in. I put myself out there because I am an outgoing person who truly enjoys the company of other good people and I can ignore the bad people. I have been told I am a rare breed and I agree. I've been like this all my life and I have no plans on changing. I love who I am. Please don't ever feel bad for me.

What's different here is that people are nicer, yes even those who are on both sites. Maybe it's because they aren't as concerned about being chastised by the "hazers". I think it's because this website doesn't breed anger and hate, it encourages a community of boaters to enjoy a common interest. Chastising people is frowned upon here and not encouraged as it is "there".

Also, if you go to your profile you can click on the tab on the top and find all of your posts. Let me know if you need help, I'd be happy to show you how to find the posts.

[HB Vic]

Is this thread where Producers got the idea for the movie "Sideways" :hmmm:

Lol it started out harmless enough.


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[Pickled]

Thank you and I am genuinely very sweet and I hope I give people lots of laughs. But, what you probably didn't notice over "there" is that there was only a handful of people who treated me "extraordinarily poorly". Some of them for stupid reasons that I won't get into. For the most part, the majority of comments were jokes, take HolyMoly for example, he gave me so much grief, but he's super nice and the grief was all in fun. Almost every time someone posted something that appeared mean, it was followed by a PM that said, "hey check out this thread/post, I kicked you in the nuts, haha." I laughed and played along, not because I want to fit in, but because I appreciate the humor and I dish it out myself. There was the exception of the handful of "hazers" who don't spend much time here, if any. With that said, I didn't "try" to fit in. I put myself out there because I am an outgoing person who truly enjoys the company of other good people and I can ignore the bad people. I have been told I am a rare breed and I agree. I've been like this all my life and I have no plans on changing. I love who I am. Please don't ever feel bad for me.

What's different here is that people are nicer, yes even those who are on both sites. Maybe it's because they aren't as concerned about being chastised by the "hazers". I think it's because this website doesn't breed anger and hate, it encourages a community of boaters to enjoy a common interest. Chastising people is frowned upon here and not encouraged as it is "there".

Also, if you go to your profile you can click on the tab on the top and find all of your posts. Let me know if you need help, I'd be happy to show you how to find the posts.

Eli, here's the difference, as I see it. If I were a mod or owner over there. I would have descended the hand of God upon the guys who said those things. They would have never been back. Totally inappropriate. That treatment of anyone on a forum should not be tolerated, much less laughed at.

[Pickled]

I'll let it go at that. Seems the input is only appreciated in small amounts!

Cheers,

Pickled.

[Eli]

Eli, here's the difference, as I see it. If I were a mod or owner over there. I would have descended the hand of God upon the guys who said those things. They would have never been back. Totally inappropriate. That treatment of anyone on a forum should not be tolerated, much less laughed at.

Thank you sweetie. I think I know what you're referring to. I appreciate your concern. :thumb:

[RogerThat99]

I came on the forums not knowing anyone but Grads. I lurked for awhile, then started posting on threads here and there. Before long I was posting all the time. Forum members will include you if you are posting. If you are not posting, they won't know you from Adam. Everyone I have met in person from the forums, have been great people...and I have met quit a few people from the forums.

[Havasu Party Bus]

We get letters, #5:

"With all the members that have signed up over the last year, does it bother you at all that it seems to be the same 5-8 members posting in the sandbar hour after hour, day after day?

And is there any way to change this and get other members posting up?"

Interesting question. The numbers of lurkers on the site daily is actually quite high. Most seem to lurk around (which is fine) but do not post. So it strikes me as odd when I get a question like this. Yes, we have signed up a lot of new members. But for some reason it seems many of them do not post. Unfortunately I cannot answer why. Maybe they're waiting to see if anyone else will post first?

Unfortunately I do not have an answer to your question.

Thank you,
HB


I will take a shot at this for you Vic, but don't take it as a slam, it IS NOT. Its a personal observation of the undeniable facts.
YOU are on the inside. You can't see the forest because the trees are in you way. All sites, regardless the "topic theme" of the site have their core group. However, some websites that have a "topic theme" really have very little discussion on that topic. Odd but true. This not the only boat site that functions this way, and its not hard to tell that this site is really more of an off shoot of THAT website, than other boating sites, or even its "name sake" site. This NOT that HotBoat.com. I know, I was a member too. There may some similarities in the forum you and others hung out in, but that was ONE forum on that site. Same could be said for PB today. There are those that never venture out of Open Water there. But is NOT the most popular and most posted in forum there. There is more talk about boats, from people that own boats on that site and others, than all the non boat discussion COMBINED!
Now go look at the "other" site and see the amount of Lounge Lizards posting. Then look in the forums talking about boats. See any similarities?

This site functions more as a Facebook page than a boating theme website. Its the direction the owners and original members that left the other site took it.
Question is WHY was this site started? Because you liked the other site, just not some the people on it? Or some of the content that was allowed? Too much negativity? What ever the reason, it was YOUR reason and that's COOL. But don't expect it to be any different except you are in control of the language, politics, pictures, etc. Other than that, ITS THE SAME DAMN SITE! Different players in a different party, but its still an on line party. Its social chat room, for a core clique.

It is what you choose to make it.


I think Bob is right on this.


I think Bob is sorta right on this.:D


Again, gotta agree with Bob here. You ask a question, then disagree with honest answers from guys who read and don't post. Forums are a real interesting place. Take Eli for example, never met her. She seems like a great, sweet woman, full of life and laughs. But why would ANYONE try so damned hard to fit in on a boating website? I watched her "over there" when she first came around. She was treated extraordinarly poorly. I felt bad for her, all I could do was close the forum and think what a bunch of rat fuck guys would say those kind of things about a woman.

THAT is not being inclusive. If she was just being "hazed" screw that, it's an internet forum. Who wants that? I wander over here and POOF!! there she is, accepted. That said, nearly 100 percent of the posters here came from there, why? Is this beach better than that beach?

I don't have the answers, just a fresh set of eyes, that see's things pretty clearly. If you can't see the clique building, sorry.

Back at the very beginning of this forum. I posted something I cannot find now. I predicted this very thing would happen. Go look. With as few posts as I have it should be easy to find. I just can't work the search function properly. Completely predicable behavior.

I agree with all of this. But back to We get letters, #5: .
This is the only reason why i login but don't post?
I check my PM's and when theres a photo posted so i can see it, not just a thumnail that you can't see.
No need to reply back to me on this as i'm not here to Debate on it.
Have a nice day:3::lalala:

[Bobby V]

Eli, here's the difference, as I see it. If I were a mod or owner over there. I would have descended the hand of God upon the guys who said those things. They would have never been back. Totally inappropriate. That treatment of anyone on a forum should not be tolerated, much less laughed at.

Wow..I must have missed something over on RD's. Sure there maybe had been some in my mind fun hazing. But I didn't read all the posts. What I did see was Eli very involved on RD's posting pics from the bar at the Nautical Bar (I meet her there), posting pics from San Diego with JBB at the races and after party and last I seen of her was the pics at the taco party at RD's house with his wife and kids in Oct or Nov.? If things were so bad I doubt she would have been doing these things with RD and the other members. Then poof she was gone from there and now here.

Vic has set the rules here and I will abide by them. If he starts a political section here then I'm gone. :tongue:

[Hammer]

Pickled, you shouldn't defend someone who chastised and bullied a heavy BOATING RELATED poster into forum suicide to take their head at the forum table.

She did the exact thing you hate "the other site" for..

[ChumpChange]

Then poof she was gone from there..............

Does it sometimes make you wonder the exact reason why? ;) :D

[Pickled]

Pickled, you shouldn't defend someone who chastised and bullied a heavy BOATING RELATED poster into forum suicide to take their head at the forum table.

She did the exact thing you hate "the other site" for..

Quote me where I stated "hating" anything. And I didn't really defend her as much as detest the manner she OR ANY WOMAN was spoken to.

[HB Vic]

Wow..I must have missed something over on RD's. Sure there maybe had been some in my mind fun hazing. But I didn't read all the posts. What I did see was Eli very involved on RD's posting pics from the bar at the Nautical Bar (I meet her there), posting pics from San Diego with JBB at the races and after party and last I seen of her was the pics at the taco party at RD's house with his wife and kids in Oct or Nov.? If things were so bad I doubt she would have been doing these things with RD and the other members. Then poof she was gone from there and now here.

Vic has set the rules here and I will abide by them. If he starts a political section here then I'm gone. :tongue:


Pickled, you shouldn't defend someone who chastised and bullied a heavy BOATING RELATED poster into forum suicide to take their head at the forum table.

She did the exact thing you hate "the other site" for..

I'm not sure exactly how this thread turned in to what it did, but man did it get off course. But this is going a little too far.

Lets keep it civilized gentlemen. I'd like to think I'm pretty fair, but by the comments posted here today it appears I am not. So don't make me do something I don't think I would normally not do. Does that make sense? LOL Fuck. GN7 has me all twisted up today. Old fucker anyway. LOL

[HB Vic]

I agree with all of this. But back to We get letters, #5: .
This is the only reason why i login but don't post?
I check my PM's and when theres a photo posted so i can see it, not just a thumnail that you can't see.
No need to reply back to me on this as i'm not here to Debate on it.
Have a nice day:3::lalala:

I get it. You pop in take your shots and then you're out. Not sure what I've ever done to you. Pretty sure nothing that I can remember.

But it is what it is.

Still good to see you.

[Eli]

Pickled, you shouldn't defend someone who chastised and bullied a heavy BOATING RELATED poster into forum suicide to take their head at the forum table.

She did the exact thing you hate "the other site" for..

You make some wild accusations that don't even make sense. I don't/didn't make anyone do anything. Nor do I know what you're talking about. If I had that type of power, I would use it for good. i.e. make you stop posting here! oh and here you go :D

[Hammer]

Quote me where I stated "hating" anything. And I didn't really defend her as much as detest the manner she OR ANY WOMAN was spoken to.

Hated was the wrong word, I used it. I apologize . That's how I read it. It lead me to believe you detest "the other site" based on what you read....

Out of respect for HB, I'm going to bow out of this conversation. Its just going to end up being a call out thread for a few members....

For what it is worth, you and GN7 have valid points even though the HEAVY HITTERS here don't see it.

[HB Vic]

You are Trying to respond to every post,think about stepping back some and let the threads run.Also,has Gn7 been thrown out?

No I wouldn't ban him at this point, he too good at digging :D

[ChumpChange]

even though the HEAVY HITTERS here don't see it.

I hope to be in that magazine someday. Have two friends that were featured in it.

[Hammer]

You make some wild accusations that don't even make sense. I don't/didn't make anyone do anything. Nor do I know what you're talking about. If I had that type of power, I would use it for good. i.e. make you stop posting here! oh and here you go :D

Ok toots ;) you win,I'll go back to my sandbox....

Should rehash the "flower thread" that brought you to the forums. I better be careful before you have me banned again at a good friends forum...

I leave you guys with some boating content :)

http://youtu.be/goknKOsXKJI

[Hammer]

No I wouldn't ban him at this point, he too good at digging :D

Me ? It's what I do best ! Lol

[HB Vic]

Me ? It's what I do best ! Lol

No not you LOL. GN7

[Sharp shooter]

the HEAVY HITTERS here don't see it.

What constitutes a HEAVY HITTER? Overweight? :D

[HB Vic]

What constitutes a HEAVY HITTER? Overweight? :D

I resemble that remark :D

[ChumpChange]

Pickled, you shouldn't defend someone who chastised and bullied a heavy BOATING RELATED poster into forum suicide to take their head at the forum table.

She did the exact thing you hate "the other site" for..

Who commited forum suicide?

[Eli]

Ok toots ;) you win,I'll go back to my sandbox....

Should rehash the "flower thread" that brought you to the forums. I better be careful before you have me banned again at a good friends forum...

I leave you guys with some boating content :)

http://youtu.be/goknKOsXKJI

I ran off someone by telling everyone he isn't a U.S. Marine as he claimed he was?

Hammer, he doesn't need you rehashing this shit either. So give it a rest. I think he would agree that it's old news. Get over it! Find something new to gossip about. You're obviously holding on to this one bc nothing else sticks!

I can't get you banned only YOU can get YOURSELF banned. I don't have your keyboard in front of me. If I had the power to get you banned, you would've been gone a long time ago.

I thought the "good friend" was the owner of the "other forum"! My bad you seem to use the term loosely.

Oh and this one is for you toots! :D


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[ChumpChange]

I ran off someone by telling everyone he isn't a U.S. Marine as he claimed he was?

Damn I missed that one! What's McRib's take on the fake?

[Bobby V]

Who commited forum suicide?

Chump Change:action-smiley-069:

[Eli]

Damn I missed that one! What's McRib's take on the fake?

Please give it a rest...it's history let's leave it there.


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[riverrunner1984]

Ok back on track...
Hotboat with so many boat manufacturers out there, what was the selling factor of DCB for you?
If you were to buy a new boat, would you stick to DCB?

[HB Vic]

I really don't want to lock up this thread. It really was started with good intentions. Its pretty clear that at least a couple of people feel hotboat.com is a clique. I will agree with them based on the dictionary definition with the exception of the unfriendly part. We beat that up real good, so hopefully that is past us now. If it isn't, and you absolutely feel the need to continue beating it up. Don't do it here :D

I have a couple more emails I am working on. Will post them as soon as I can.

Thank you.

HB

[ChumpChange]

Chump Change:action-smiley-069:

Nah, he just exited gracefully. Then he became too knowledgeable and for fear was silenced. ;)

[HB Vic]

Ok back on track...
Hotboat with so many boat manufacturers out there, what was the selling factor of DCB for you?
If you were to buy a new boat, would you stick to DCB?

Aw man, I'm afraid to answer your question tonight. I'm an early sleeper and I know for a fact at least one guy will absolutely trash DCB's. So I'd prefer to wait until tomorrow so I can ban him after he does his dirty deed during the day light :D

[ChumpChange]

lol...

[Paul65K]

Aw man, I'm afraid to answer your question tonight. I'm an early sleeper and I know for a fact at least one guy will absolutely trash DCB's. So I'd prefer to wait until tomorrow so I can ban him after he does his dirty deed during the day light :D
Yeah, tomorrow is much better.....wait so you can put him on a spit and "Flip him over"...........................oops was that my outside voice :D

[Eli]

Yeah, tomorrow is much better.....wait so you can put him on a spit and "Flip him over"...........................oops was that my outside voice :D

I guess I'm not the only one with multiple "voices" :D


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[HB Vic]

3000 views in 2 days LOL. Who would have thunk :D

[ChumpChange]

3000 views in 2 days LOL. Who would have thunk :D

Sure makes one wonder. My Trip thread was 13 days with a ton of pics and it's..........

[She's Mine]

I'm not sure exactly how this thread turned in to what it did, but man did it get off course. But this is going a little too far.

Lets keep it civilized gentlemen. I'd like to think I'm pretty fair, but by the comments posted here today it appears I am not. So don't make me do something I don't think I would normally not do. Does that make sense? LOL Fuck. GN7 has me all twisted up today. Old fucker anyway. LOL

Didn't I say this was going to be good on post #3 or #4? I won't say I told you so but if the shoe fits.... lol I appreciate the effort though. You did have good intensions but could see this coming a mile away.

[Havasu Party Bus]

I get it. You pop in take your shots and then you're out. Not sure what I've ever done to you. Pretty sure nothing that I can remember.

But it is what it is.

Still good to see you.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/images/styles/gametime/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Havasu Party Bus http://www.hotboat.com/frm/images/styles/gametime/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?p=97307#post97307)
I agree with all of this. But back to We get letters, #5: .
This is the only reason why i login but don't post?
I check my PM's and when theres a photo posted so i can see it, not just a thumnail that you can't see.
No need to reply back to me on this as i'm not here to Debate on it.
Have a nice day:3::lalala:

Not sure what I've ever done to you. Pretty sure nothing that I can remember.



You havn't done anything to me Vic. Seams that what ever i post you and your crew will take it as a "POP SHOT" i'm ok with that!
So can you show in THIS thread how i'm taking Pop Shots? I agreed with somethings from some people i have never meet said!
And i stated why i login, and just lurk. Some how you're taking that as a POP SHOT.:wtf:
If you're going to take all my post as a pop shot, now you know why i don't post here think about.:idea:
Have a nice day

[HB Vic]

Thanks for checking in Wayne. Have a good one.


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[Paul65K]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/images/styles/gametime/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Havasu Party Bus http://www.hotboat.com/frm/images/styles/gametime/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?p=97307#post97307)
I agree with all of this. But back to We get letters, #5: .
This is the only reason why i login but don't post?
I check my PM's and when theres a photo posted so i can see it, not just a thumnail that you can't see.
No need to reply back to me on this as i'm not here to Debate on it.
Have a nice day:3::lalala:

Not sure what I've ever done to you. Pretty sure nothing that I can remember.



You havn't done anything to me Vic. Seams that what ever i post you and your crew will take it as a "POP SHOT" i'm ok with that!
So can you show in THIS thread how i'm taking Pop Shots? I agreed with somethings from some people i have never meet said!
And i stated why i login, and just lurk. Some how you're taking that as a POP SHOT.:wtf:
If you're going to take all my post as a pop shot, now you know why i don't post here think about.:idea:
Have a nice day


Good to see you around Wayne............I haven't seen you around town much lately??

How you been?

[SnoC653]

Just another $.02 worth. There are indeed circles of friends within the site. That is to be expected on any site where there are activities in which the site members frequent. Only the owner of a site can say when those friendships overrun the intent of the site and give it a new image. Do these friendships keep outsiders away? Not necessarily. I'm from Iowa and have no problem posting or discussing things I feel qualified to post on. But, there is no mistaking that I am not in the inner circle of friends here. And why would I be? I've met virtually nobody from the site. 2ManyMustangs being the exception. I rarely make it to Cali. But, it's a boating site and I love boats. So is the core group of friends a problem? I don't see it as a problem.... yet. But it can get that way pretty quick if the site owner and his staff turn their back too long. Glad he hasn't so far.

Were Grad's posts too far. Personally I don't need to see the extra. I am far from shocked or offended at the site of nipples or any other part of the anatomy, But that doesn't mean I want to see it when I'm trying to talk boats. And it is far more harmonious at home if the wife doesn't walk in while I scroll through a topic and there are some of Grad's posts.

But, why is the Sandbar the only Form on the site with any real content? Even the boating content is migrating to the Sandbar because it is where the people are. If the site is going to host all content in the Sandbar, save some effort and remove the other Forms. Or maybe give the Sandbar a vacation and see where the people go. Who would have thought I needed to go to the Sandbar to find a thread from Speedboat racer?

Again, just my .02. Overall it is a good site and I like it.

[Milkmoney]

Ok I jus got caught up. I can say. I thought this was a cool idea that Vic put up and thought I would jump in and have alittle fun with others...

All I can say for some members is WOW. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones. :)

Vic: I really thought this was a going to be fun to read the ?'s that some peeps wanting to ask but not be known. Great idea. Sorry to see that it went sideways. Better luck next time. Oh ya :). Lol

[HB Vic]

Ok I jus got caught up. I can say. I thought this was a cool idea that Vic put up and thought I would jump in and have alittle fun with others...

All I can say for some members is WOW. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones. :)

Vic: I really thought this was a going to be fun to read the ?'s that some peeps wanting to ask but not be known. Great idea. Sorry to see that it went sideways. Better luck next time. Oh ya :). Lol

Sometimes I forget I'm dealing with professionals lol

I'm going to do my best to get what's left of this train back on track today. Wish me luck :D


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[Eli]

Ok I jus got caught up. I can say. I thought this was a cool idea that Vic put up and thought I would jump in and have alittle fun with others...

All I can say for some members is WOW. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones. :)

Vic: I really thought this was a going to be fun to read the ?'s that some peeps wanting to ask but not be known. Great idea. Sorry to see that it went sideways. Better luck next time. Oh ya :). Lol

👍👍👍


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[2manymustangs]

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[Eli]

Sometimes I forget I'm dealing with professionals lol

I'm going to do my best to get what's left of this train back on track today. Wish me luck :D


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Hotboat...sound familiar? Lmao


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[HB Vic]

I'm a trooper :D


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[HB Vic]

I get pm's, but you can also email your questions to: info@hotboat.com


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[westair]

You are Trying to respond to every post,think about stepping back some and let the threads run.

Good advice right there ...... also don't keep threatening to ban or lock threads, (sounds a little childish) just do it if you feel the need and don't explain.

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #9:

"What is the difference between a regular prop and a labbed prop?"

Very good question. I'll do my best to give you a little better understanding of the benefits of a lab finished prop. But first, you might want to check out this video, pretty cool as it shows you how props are made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvw-We9lCk4

One of the things you'll notice in the video is the cookie cutter nature of how props are made. Now think of how boats are made. Even the variation from one hull to another from the same manufacturer can be a huge, not to mention the variations in power, purpose, and weight.

The very basic principle of "labbing" a prop is balance, important thing not shown in the video. Balancing usually isn't done on a standard box props. So there are casting and other variations in the prop. Most of the time these variations are acceptable for most boats and most boating purposes. But for those who are looking for performance and longevity of their equipment, having your props labbed is money well spent. The very basic element of labbing is balancing. Anything that rotates has balance points. If your prop is poorly balanced it can cause vibration issues. Vibration on a piece of rotating equipment will eventually lead to failure. Bearing failure, bearing journal issues, and all sorts of other issues. The greater the piece of rotating equipment is out of balance, and the faster that piece of rotating equipment spins, the faster anything connected to it will eventually fail. Almost everyone has the tires on their car rotated and balanced during normal services. Why would you not have that $500-5000 prop balanced as well??

Another important factor in labbing a prop is essentially tuning the prop for your specific boat and maybe even your specific boating purpose. Changing the characteristics of your prop can greatly affect the performance of your boat. Size, cupping, thinning, and pitch can all be modified. These modifications can greatly affect the performance, efficiency, longevity of your running gear, and handling of your boat.

The vast majority of all props on any performance boats are lab finished.

Here are a couple of resources, random really, you might want to check in to for more detailed information or questions about having your prop(s) labbed.

http://bblades.com/
http://www.mercurymarine.com/propellers/advantage/testimonials/


I hope that answers your question.

HB

[Stainless]

Great reply HB, I thought I knew a lot about props, that video was very interesting! If you don't mind me adding a little, labbing also thins the blades for more efficiency, in other words a thin blade spins easier than a thick one. As a result engine RPM's usually increase with labbed propellers. Labbed props are more fragile and usually no warranty comes with them.


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[Menace Marine]

We get letters, #9:

"What is the difference between a regular prop and a labbed prop?"

Very good question. I'll do my best to give you a little better understanding of the benefits of a lab finished prop. But first, you might want to check out this video, pretty cool as it shows you how props are made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvw-We9lCk4

One of the things you'll notice in the video is the cookie cutter nature of how props are made. Now think of how boats are made. Even the variation from one hull to another from the same manufacturer can be a huge, not to mention the variations in power, purpose, and weight.

The very basic principle of "labbing" a prop is balance, important thing not shown in the video. Balancing usually isn't done on a standard box props. So there are casting and other variations in the prop. Most of the time these variations are acceptable for most boats and most boating purposes. But for those who are looking for performance and longevity of their equipment, having your props labbed is money well spent. The very basic element of labbing is balancing. Anything that rotates has balance points. If your prop is poorly balanced it can cause vibration issues. Vibration on a piece of rotating equipment will eventually lead to failure. Bearing failure, bearing journal issues, and all sorts of other issues. The greater the piece of rotating equipment is out of balance, and the faster that piece of rotating equipment spins, the faster anything connected to it will eventually fail. Almost everyone has the tires on their car rotated and balanced during normal services. Why would you not have that $500-5000 prop balanced as well??

Another important factor in labbing a prop is essentially tuning the prop for your specific boat and maybe even your specific boating purpose. Changing the characteristics of your prop can greatly affect the performance of your boat. Size, cupping, thinning, and pitch can all be modified. These modifications can greatly affect the performance, efficiency, longevity of your running gear, and handling of your boat.

The vast majority of all props on any performance boats are lab finished.

Here are a couple of resources, random really, you might want to check in to for more detailed information or questions about having your prop(s) labbed.

http://bblades.com/
http://www.mercurymarine.com/propellers/advantage/testimonials/


I hope that answers your question.

HB

I would add to this and say do all your initial testing with stock props. Only then can you go to a prop shop with enough info to have your prop tuned. One guys bad ass lab'd prop may be horrible on your boat. I had a lab 32 on my boat when I first put it together. It handled like crap. It would lift the right sponson then the left then it would drop. Like a weird twisting porpoise. I tried trim, more throttle, less throttle didn't matter. Put a stock 32 on and the boat ran straight as an arrow. It isn't always this way but stock props are at least somewhat consistent. You can take your results to a prop guy and he can set you up with the perfect prop. Hope this made a little sense.


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[WESTERNAERO]

I've got a question..

The tags for this thread are: canned ham sucks, gn7 is rude, hotboat rules, rd sux, we get letters, whiny old people :biggrin:

What are these "tags"? What is their purpose?

[Menace Marine]

Great reply HB, I thought I knew a lot about props, that video was very interesting! If you don't mind me adding a little, labbing also thins the blades for more efficiency, in other words a thin blade spins easier than a thick one. As a result engine RPM's usually increase with labbed propellers. Labbed props are more fragile and usually no warranty comes with them.


CH3NO2

Good point. In a very simple way you can make a 30 cruise like a 30 but rpm like a 28. You can also change cup and diffuser dimensions to fine tune bow and transom lift as well. Prop tuning and testing is one of the most time consuming and over looked aspect of any boat setup. It can yield great results but takes patience.


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[HB Vic]

I've got a question..

The tags for this thread are: canned ham sucks, gn7 is rude, hotboat rules, rd sux, we get letters, whiny old people :biggrin:

What are these "tags"? What is their purpose?

Yikes. I fixed it.

[WESTERNAERO]

Yikes. I fixed it.

What are they?

[HB Vic]

What are they?

Tags. Every thread can have them. They're used to search and other things. If they get out of control they can be turned off. I didn't even see those LOL

[WESTERNAERO]

Tags. Every thread can have them. They're used to search and other things. If they get out of control they can be turned off. I didn't even see those LOL

Are they for smart phones, Is it a tapatalk thing? Who puts them there?

[WESTERNAERO]

On the props making video, that form of casting is called investment or wax investment casting, in case someone was curious. It's a much more precise way of casting as opposed to sand casting.

[HB Vic]

Are they for smart phones, Is it a tapatalk thing? Who puts them there?

I don't think you can tag from your phone using tapatalk. Anyone can tag via their browser. It should be at the bottom of the page.

[Stainless]

I would add to this and say do all your initial testing with stock props. Only then can you go to a prop shop with enough info to have your prop tuned. One guys bad ass lab'd prop may be horrible on your boat. I had a lab 32 on my boat when I first put it together. It handled like crap. It would lift the right sponson then the left then it would drop. Like a weird twisting porpoise. I tried trim, more throttle, less throttle didn't matter. Put a stock 32 on and the boat ran straight as an arrow. It isn't always this way but stock props are at least somewhat consistent. You can take your results to a prop guy and he can set you up with the perfect prop. Hope this made a little sense.


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Thanks for explaining even deeper, my boat exhibits that "roping" effect too. It's not very much, but the left sponson picks up slightly and sets down on the right, I have to steer with a slight left "English". I always thought it was bc of old technology boat or bc of the way I spin the props. Admittedly, I need to record these differences from one set of props to another when testing.


CH3NO2

[WESTERNAERO]

Another question...

Is this place ever going to have an "ENGINE" area?

And why is the jet area called "JUST JETS"? Why not "JETS"? There are shit piles of jet boats out there and I'm sure there would shit piles of discussions going on in there if it was named differently. Seems like one more little thing that might give them a complex, seeings how they're always getting beat up on...:D

[Menace Marine]

Another question...

Is this place ever going to have an "ENGINE" area?

And why is the jet area called "JUST JETS"? Why not "JETS"? There are shit piles of jet boats out there and I'm sure there would shit piles of discussions going on in there if it was named differently. Seems like one more little thing that might give them a complex, seeings how they're always getting beat up on...:D

You had to use the words "shit piles" didn't you.


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[WESTERNAERO]

You had to use the words "shit piles" didn't you.


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Just for you, future jet boat owner...:biggrin:

[Menace Marine]

Just for you, future jet boat owner...:biggrin:

One can only dream.


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[HB Vic]

Another question...

Is this place ever going to have an "ENGINE" area?

And why is the jet area called "JUST JETS"? Why not "JETS"? There are shit piles of jet boats out there and I'm sure there would shit piles of discussions going on in there if it was named differently. Seems like one more little thing that might give them a complex, seeings how they're always getting beat up on...:D

Yes. Working on changes to the tech area now.


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[Stainless]

Yes. Working on changes to the tech area now.


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Can you call them "engines", not motors? :p


CH3NO2

[WESTERNAERO]

Can you call them "engines", not motors? :p


CH3NO2

:wink2:....

[Unforgiven]

just for you, future jet boat owner...:biggrin:

isn't your boat a jetBOTE????

[WESTERNAERO]

isn't your boat a jetBOTE????

Nope........:fingers::biggrin:

[HB Vic]

Can you call them "engines", not motors? :p


CH3NO2

Lol yes, we can do that :D

[Eli]

Can you call them "engines", not motors? :p


CH3NO2

;)


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[WESTERNAERO]

Which aftermarket computer should I use when I change over to EFI?
Feel free to put that in the "ENGINE" area. I'd like to here opinions on this ASAP. Thanks

[Unforgiven]

which aftermarket computer should i use when i change over to efi?
Feel free to put that in the "engine" area. I'd like to here opinions on this asap. Thanks

the fast efi setup...and if your running a blower..go with the rootz efi setup..

[WESTERNAERO]

the fast efi setup...and if your running a blower..go with the rootz efi setup..

Hey, wait for the "ENGINE" section...:wink2:

[Unforgiven]

hey, wait for the "engine" section...:wink2:

sorry..you said .."asap"

[WESTERNAERO]

Another question...
What do you consider a "Hot Boat"
Vic, that's not directed at you. I'd like to know what most people associate the name "Hot Boat" with. Me personally, a classic hot rod on the water.

[2manymustangs]

Another question...
What do you consider a "Hot Boat"
Vic, that's not directed at you. I'd like to know what most people associate the name "Hot Boat" with. Me personally, a classic hot rod on the water.

The cool FE powered lavey with HM hardware that was UNmercifully butchered up a few months ago… That WAS a hotboat...

[WESTERNAERO]

The cool FE powered lavey with HM hardware that was UNmercifully butchered up a few months ago… That WAS a hotboat...

You know, I was a little pissed about that deal. Never did get a email............:AngryFinger_7WSKJO:

[HB Vic]

We get letters, #10:

"I recently saw a drive called the XPower Drive at the LA Boat Show. It said it can handle huge horsepower and is a direct replacement for a Bravo drive. It was installed on a Cat that had pretty big HP. What can you tell me about this drive?"

Another very good question. So good we had to go to the source for an answer as I know little to nothing about the XPower Drive. Here's what he said:


Q: Why would I choose a XPower Drive as opposed to IMCO or Merc NXT?

A: XPower warranties our drives up to 1600 hp and it is the fastest drive you can buy. I also guarantee that. It is a direct easy bolt on replacement for the bravo drive.

Q: Do you have a website or more info I can pass along?

A: www.XPowerDrive.com (http://www.xpowerdrive.com/)

Q: What are some benefits to the XPower Drive vs the other options currently available?

A: By far the most high tech drive you can buy. 3 stage fully integrated dry sump system. Oil is in the built in oil tank. Carbon fiber covers. 1 month in a wind tunnel. Over a thousand pages of CFD modeling. Takes the least power to drive over any other drive. A number six takes over 100 horsepower to drive it 7000 rpm. A bravo takes 46 and the XPower Drive 11. It also has about a million other things. It's stronger then a number six which weighs 645 lbs and the X-Power only weighs 202lbs. We have sold over 32 of them and in the 5 years no customer has laid a dollar out in repair. It might be more expensive but in the long run it pays for itself over and over.

I realize this is a somewhat general response, if you have more specific questions it would probably be best to contact XPower directly.

Thank you for the question.

HB

[HB Vic]

If you would like to ask a question, feel free to PM me or you can also send an email to: info@hotboat.com Your name will be kept 100% confidential.

Good questions so far, keep them coming :D

[2manymustangs]

You know, I was a little pissed about that deal. Never did get a email............:AngryFinger_7WSKJO:

We live and we learn buddy...

[ChumpChange]

Sometimes I forget I'm dealing with professionals lol

I'm going to do my best to get what's left of this train back on track today. Wish me luck :D

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Did somebody say train? :D


I get pm's, but you can also email your questions to: info@hotboat.com

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Is your box getting full? Are you limited to 50 PMs between Sent and Received like the rest of us?

[HB Vic]

Is your box getting full?

I think you're getting a little too personal :D

[WESTERNAERO]

I realize this is a somewhat general response, if you have more specific questions it would probably be best to contact XPower directly.

Thank you for the question.

HB
:headscratch: I don't understand. Wouldn't you want this discussed in one of the tech areas? Have a conversation started? Isn't that what these forums are for, to pass around knowledge and learn from each other? Maybe they don't want to contact Xpower because they don't want to hear the sales pitch. Maybe they want real world answers from users.

[HB Vic]

:headscratch: I don't understand. Wouldn't you want this discussed in one of the tech areas? Have a conversation started? Isn't that what these forums are for, to pass around knowledge and learn from each other? Maybe they don't want to contact Xpower because they don't want to hear the sales pitch. Maybe they want real world answers from users.

Sure I would. But the question asker wanted to remain anonymous. But don't worry, I too want to learn more about the XPower Drive. Hint, hint :D

[WESTERNAERO]

Sure I would. But the question asker wanted to remain anonymous. But don't worry, I too want to learn more about the XPower Drive. Hint, hint :D

Well then why put the question up here? Post the question in the tech area where it won't get lost in the social side of this place. I think the people bitching about non boating content are half right because 99% of the boating content gets thrown in with the social sandbar. If you don't check for 3-4 days a question like this gets buried never to be seen again.
If somebody is too timid to ask and they ask you privately instead, post the question where it belongs.

[obnoxious001]

Can you call them "engines", not motors? :p


CH3NO2

Technically, an engine is a motor if you research the definition. Used to drive me nuts too, but the term is not incorrect.

[Eli]

We get letters, #10:

"I recently saw a drive called the XPower Drive at the LA Boat Show. It said it can handle huge horsepower and is a direct replacement for a Bravo drive. It was installed on a Cat that had pretty big HP. What can you tell me about this drive?"

Another very good question. So good we had to go to the source for an answer as I know little to nothing about the XPower Drive. Here's what he said:


Q: Why would I choose a XPower Drive as opposed to IMCO or Merc NXT?

A: XPower warranties our drives up to 1600 hp and it is the fastest drive you can buy. I also guarantee that. It is a direct easy bolt on replacement for the bravo drive.

Q: Do you have a website or more info I can pass along?

A: www.XPowerDrive.com (http://www.xpowerdrive.com/)

Q: What are some benefits to the XPower Drive vs the other options currently available?

A: By far the most high tech drive you can buy. 3 stage fully integrated dry sump system. Oil is in the built in oil tank. Carbon fiber covers. 1 month in a wind tunnel. Over a thousand pages of CFD modeling. Takes the least power to drive over any other drive. A number six takes over 100 horsepower to drive it 7000 rpm. A bravo takes 46 and the XPower Drive 11. It also has about a million other things. It's stronger then a number six which weighs 645 lbs and the X-Power only weighs 202lbs. We have sold over 32 of them and in the 5 years no customer has laid a dollar out in repair. It might be more expensive but in the long run it pays for itself over and over.

I realize this is a somewhat general response, if you have more specific questions it would probably be best to contact XPower directly.

Thank you for the question.

HB

That's some great investigative reporting right there...I couldn't have done a better job ;)


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[Get Some]

What's hotboats next boat?? And why?

[HB Vic]

What's hotboats next boat?? And why?

My next boat? LOL I think I'm too old at this point to change. I do want a hotrod though at some point. Maybe a Bill B boat or something similar :D

[WESTERNAERO]

My next boat? LOL I think I'm too old at this point to change. I do want a HotBoat though at some point. Maybe a Bill B boat or something similar :D

Fixed it for ya..:D

[Unforgiven]

My next boat? LOL MY WIFE thinks I'm too old at this point to change. I do want a hotrod though at some point. Maybe a Bill B boat or something similar :D

now it's fixed!

[RogerThat99]

M Maybe a Bill B boat or something similar :D

I have never heard of that hull...Are they fast? ;)

[HB Vic]

I have never heard of that hull...Are they fast? ;)

It doesn't matter, it will look bitchin in the garage :D


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[Mitch]

[QUOTE=WESTERNAERO;97475]Another question...
What do you consider a "Hot Boat"
Vic, that's not directed at you. I'd like to know what most people associate the name "Hot Boat" with. Me personally, a classic hot rod on the
Thats easy its a hopped up Hallett Vector !

[WESTERNAERO]

[QUOTE=WESTERNAERO;97475]Another question...
What do you consider a "Hot Boat"
Vic, that's not directed at you. I'd like to know what most people associate the name "Hot Boat" with. Me personally, a classic hot rod on the
Thats easy its a hopped up Hallett Vector !
Go figure...:wink2:
Are you pulling someone this weekend?

[Mitch]

Technically, an engine is a motor if you research the definition. Used to drive me nuts too, but the term is not incorrect.

I went motor boating today ....

[obnoxious001]

[QUOTE=Mitch;97568]
Go figure...:wink2:
Are you pulling someone this weekend?

Last I heard he may be patrolling the area directly in front of his dock. I am supposed to be driving a different Hallett

[Paul65K]

[QUOTE=WESTERNAERO;97475]Another question...
What do you consider a "Hot Boat"
Vic, that's not directed at you. I'd like to know what most people associate the name "Hot Boat" with. Me personally, a classic hot rod on the
That's easy its a hopped up Hallett Vector !Or even more appropriately a Schiada 21 RC TT........just sayin' :D

[obnoxious001]

I went motor boating today ....

That's good too, does you wife know about that?

[Mitch]

That's good too, does you wife know about that?

Not that I know of .....

[Mitch]

[QUOTE=Mitch;97568]Or even more appropriately a Schiada 21 RC TT........just sayin' :D

You got one ? :)

[HB Vic]

[QUOTE=Mitch;97568]Or even more appropriately a Schiada 21 RC TT........just sayin' :D

I have my eye on a particular Howard :D


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[Mitch]

[QUOTE=Paul65K;97575]

I have my eye on a particular Howard :D


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Now your thinking straight that Howard is Bad Ass. When you get it the Dave Copied Bob will be treated like a red headed step child :)

[HB Vic]

[QUOTE=Hotboat;97600]


Now your thinking straight that Howard is Bad Ass. When you get it the Dave Copied Bob will be treated like a red headed step child :)

I have dibbs on that sucker :D

[Stainless]

HB, can I get a smaller PM box or close it altogether? :D


CH3NO2

[Paul65K]

HB, can I get a smaller PM box or close it altogether? :D


CH3NO2

PM Stainless......he'll take care of that for you :lmao

[Eli]

PM Stainless......he'll take care of that for you :lmao

I think it's great that Stainless is being so supportive of the site :D


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[HB Vic]

We get letters, #11:

"Hello, I have a 1991 Hallett Vector with a carbed 454 and Bravo 1. The hour meter has not worked since I've owned the boat. I have absolutely no idea how many hours it has on it. It doesn't seem to use a lot of oil, but it definitely feels tired. I had a compression check done and all 8 were a little low, but within a few pounds of each other. I don't remember what the compression was. I've done all the recommended maintenance on the engine and drive. The drive was opened up and inspected about 2 years ago. Since then I've put maybe 50hrs on the boat.

I don't have a lot of money to spend. I've heard a lot of different advice. Do a top end, heads, valves, etc. Also heard do a complete rebuild. Also was told it might be cheaper to buy a used low hour replacement engine.

What do you think I should do?"

I enlisted the help of a member and friend who I thought was much more qualified to respond, here is his response:

A leak down test will better determine what, if anything, is wrong with the engine, whether rings or valves are not sealing. Without knowing what the compression test numbers were, or even how that test was run, it doesn't give us much to go on.

When was the last time the engine was tuned? What exactly does "it feels tired" mean, top end, out of the hole, midrange?

I would also ask someone who knows a bit to visually look at the engine and try and determine if it has aftermarket gaskets, or may still be all original (22 years old?). Depending on usage, and previous owners care of the engine, possibly it is time to do it. Obviously money plays into it, but it's difficult to recommend just doing the heads if the rings are worn out,, and also obviously have no idea of the condition of the bearings without getting into the bottom end. It's a snowball effect thing at that point, do you go ahead and but in a better cam, heads and manifold to make more power?

Back to the first paragraph, if there is a question about how tired it is, a leak down will give an indication if it's important to spend money on it now or if it's reasonable to continue to just run it as is, assuming that the engine is already properly tuned and timed right, all 8 spark plugs firing, etc.

Barry aka Obnoxious001

Barry thank you for taking the time to help me with this one, it is appreciated.

I hope this answers his question.

HB

[2manymustangs]

i think it's great that stainless is being so supportive of the site :d


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vote now!!! Stainless for moderator 2!!! :wink:

[Eli]

vote now!!! Stainless for moderator 2!!! :wink:

No way! He's our swag guy. He needs time to check his PMs.

I heard he is giving away tshirts to the first 75 people who PM him.


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[Stainless]

No way! He's our swag guy. He needs time to check his PMs.

I heard he is giving away tshirts to the first 75 people who PM him.


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Yea, I probably have 75 old greasy, holey t-shirts I can send out. ;)


CH3NO2

[2manymustangs]

holey or holley? :D