The really "Old School" boating thread

[Sharp shooter]

This thread will be for anything (or place) relating to boating but lets go "really" old. Post up pics and video older than 1980 please. I just had surgery on my knee yesterday so I'll have the time to keep bumping this thread as I scan new things from my archives. Hopefully Wheeler will help me out too.

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[Sharp shooter]

Hey Bob, do you have any info or stories of any of those pics? Thanks for contributing!

[gn7]

Hey Bob, do you have any info or stories of any of those pics? Thanks for contributing!

Not really. the first one I poached a couple years ago from a thread on PB. The LBMS pics I tripped over looking for info on Marion Beaver's "Gummy" hydros for a friend whos dad(Wayne Thompson) that drove the Uncle Gummy hydro, when Bob Ellis was driving the Gummy's Ghost hydro.
The guys with the old flat is from Glen L's "news letters" There is some pretty cool pics buried in the site, You just have to dig for them because they are buried in years of news letters.
The Mandella that Nordskog is driving still exists in resides in Palos Verdes, I believe with Bob's bother in law.

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

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[314joey]

I love this nostalgia stuff, here's a few from LOTO.

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[WESTERNAERO]

What happened to the Salton sea? It's like a wasteland now. Pretty sad.

[Sharp shooter]

I love this nostalgia stuff, here's a few from LOTO.

Awesome! How old is that one?

[Sharp shooter]

Not really. the first one I poached a couple years ago from a thread on PB. The LBMS pics I tripped over looking for info on Marion Beaver's "Gummy" hydros for a friend whos dad(Wayne Thompson) that drove the Uncle Gummy hydro, when Bob Ellis was driving the Gummy's Ghost hydro.
The guys with the old flat is from Glen L's "news letters" There is some pretty cool pics buried in the site, You just have to dig for them because they are buried in years of news letters.
The Mandella that Nordskog is driving still exists in resides in Palos Verdes, I believe with Bob's bother in law.

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

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I can't really see the people in those pics. The profile shot looks like an 18 Hallett maybe...? I got nuthin.

[Sharp shooter]

What happened to the Salton sea? It's like a wasteland now. Pretty sad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQyHhcwTLQ

[gn7]

What happened to the Salton sea? It's like a wasteland now. Pretty sad.

It is sad. Lot of people don't realize it, but the Salton Sea was the number one vacation destination in the 60s. More people went to the Salton Sea than went to the Grand Canyon during that period. It was called the American Riviera.
Holly Corp, the same company that Robert McCulloch hired to develop Lake Havasu City, tried to develop Salton Sea, but it just never caught on. When once the run off from the surrounding farms started pouring nitrates into the lake virtually unchecked, the lake started dying, and the entire community around it died with it.

Hopefully they will get the place cleaned up, and it will return, but it will be a slow long drawn out process at best.

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That was the oldest boat and the youngest skier in the Catalina race that year.

[gn7]

Nordskog had another similar, early planked, pre plywood v drive Mandella flat named Wimsey, with a nail head Buick and 6 strombergs, that he ran in the Redondo Round Catalina race, finishing second after leading a Bertram offshore 3/4 of the race, and finished 11th in the 1964 Parker 9 hour.

[Sharp shooter]

Hey Bob, back in the early 90's I discovered a marathon boat in an Upland Alley. It was behind a fence and the boat was mostly covered, but my buddy and I could see Mickey Thompson's name on the wind deflector. We knocked on the door and an elderly lady answered but she wanted nothing to do with our inquiries. How cool would that be to restore if it ever turns up again....?

[gn7]

Hey Bob, back in the early 90's I discovered a marathon boat in an Upland Alley. It was behind a fence and the boat was mostly covered, but my buddy and I could see Mickey Thompson's name on the wind deflector. We knocked on the door and an elderly lady answered but she wanted nothing to do with our inquiries. How cool would that be to restore if it ever turns up again....?

Not sure how many boats he built thru the years. But if it was a Nike hydro, or his dual Pontiac Mandella, that would be really cool!!!!
I know he had a single Pontiac engine Mandella as well. But anything you could document as his would be great to find!!

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Winner 1969 Orange Bowl 250
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[doubleeagle]

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[WMC]

Saw this yesterday



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[WMC]

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[Sharp shooter]

Irvine
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25368&stc=1&d=1384530241




That's probably early 80's. I like the pontoon prices. :D

[WMC]

Brand new beater pontoon $700. Sold. Yes program 83ish



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[Sharp shooter]

I'll play here is a couple for now I have lots Ill post up as we go

Great pics Doubleeagle! Thanks for playing!.

[Sharp shooter]

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Bubbles for less drag. It makes sense if you think about it.
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1960. Chuck Stearns was the best skier in history. IMO.

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[WMC]

Eliminator 1984



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[Sharp shooter]

Check it out Bob. :) 1961 Powerboat Mag

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This one is dedicated to everyone who thinks tunnel design is "new" technology. lol :D

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[RVRKID]

Here are a couple boats my Grandpa had in the 60's:
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[westair]

Good stuff! ..... I guess they tried to revive racing at the Salton Sea recently but it just didn't workout? seems like the perfect place but was it just to much salt? Interesting place for sure!

[gn7]

Check it out Bob. :) 1961 Powerboat Mag

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Like I said Jerry, 1961 is about time I first remember being around boats. One uncle built a Stevens 18ft with the 392 Hemi, and another (bothers) built a Rayson. Both had outboards prior to that, and they both had Comstock stickers on the engine covers. Its the very first marine shop I remember being in. I got the idea he was almost God like.
That's a cool article. It says it was in Ocean Park, which today really doesn't exist. Its now Santa Monica. It may have always been part of Santa Monica, but it borders Venice, and back then it was more like Venice of the time than Santa Monica. There was an amusement park in the Ocean Park area called Pacific Ocean Park, or P.O.P. In the summer a bunch of us would ride the bus there. For a dollar you could ride almost of the rides there were, as many time as you liked. Some rides you had to pay extra for, but not many. Comstock's was on the way from the bus stop, and of course we would have to check out all the boats that were being fixed there.

Rudy's was the first boat factory I ever saw, and about the same time. I can remember going to Glenwood about that time to pick up a STOCK Ford 406 FE timing cover that had been modified to take a Neovane pump for my uncles Rayson. Cool stuff. Thanks for posting it.

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First boat, bought it from my brother, 60's Rayson Craft .... pic was taken about 1975 or so in Havasu, I think I was 16 or 17, didn't even have anything to pull it with .... a friend had the truck and worked out great until he decided to top me and bought this new Hondo, probably in 77. Pic was taken at Big Bend looking across at Buckskin.

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Here is my friends tow vehicle, 1975 Ford 4x4 .... brand new, that was the deal if I got the boat .... we walked into Board Ford in Whittier and drove out. The Rayson looked great behind it ... we were stylin!
This pic was taken somewhere on the river but not sure where ....... me standing.

[RVRKID]

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Here is my friends tow vehicle, 1975 Ford 4x4 .... brand new, that was the deal if I got the boat .... we walked into Board Ford in Whittier and drove out. The Rayson looked great behind it ... we were stylin!
This pic was taken somewhere on the river but not sure where ....... me standing.

Did your buddies Wallabys melt to the ground out there?? :D

[Havasuing]

If you were into boats in Southern California back in the '40s and '50s, Comstock Marine was the place to go. My dad bought a 14' Rockholt runabout (all Mahogany) built in Marysville, CA from Comstock in 1957 along with a 35HP Johnson outboard (the fancy gold one with the chrome cowling) which replaced our old 12' Kelsoncraft and it went to Lake Arrowhead. In late 1959 we got mesmerized by Powercats and bought a few of them too. About that same time we switched from Comstock to Al's Outboard Service (Al Zink) on Venice Blvd. near Marina del Rey (the marina wasn't there then). Albert Jr. is still in the marine business in Lake Havasu at Al's Outboard. Ted Miller who worked at Al's in Venice as a mechanic in the '60s has had his own marine dealership in Boulder City, NV (All Seasons Marine) for years.

[Sharp shooter]

Like I said Jerry, 1961 is about time I first remember being around boats. One uncle built a Stevens 18ft with the 392 Hemi, and another (bothers) built a Rayson. Both had outboards prior to that, and they both had Comstock stickers on the engine covers. Its the very first marine shop I remember being in. I got the idea he was almost God like.
That's a cool article. It says it was in Ocean Park, which today really doesn't exist. Its now Santa Monica. It may have always been part of Santa Monica, but it borders Venice, and back then it was more like Venice of the time than Santa Monica. There was an amusement park in the Ocean Park area called Pacific Ocean Park, or P.O.P. In the summer a bunch of us would ride the bus there. For a dollar you could ride almost of the rides there were, as many time as you liked. Some rides you had to pay extra for, but not many. Comstock's was on the way from the bus stop, and of course we would have to check out all the boats that were being fixed there.

Rudy's was the first boat factory I ever saw, and about the same time. I can remember going to Glenwood about that time to pick up a STOCK Ford 406 FE timing cover that had been modified to take a Neovane pump for my uncles Rayson. Cool stuff. Thanks for posting it.

Bob, you have an amazing memory!!! Isn't Pacific Ocean Park the place represented in the skateboard movie The Lords of Dogtown? I think it is. Did you ever skate or surf there Bob? :D It became a rough area didn't it...?

My dad grew up 1/2 a mile away from Rudy's shop. All I remember about that area was the trolley tracks in the streets. :D

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Here is my friends tow vehicle, 1975 Ford 4x4 .... brand new, that was the deal if I got the boat .... we walked into Board Ford in Whittier and drove out. The Rayson looked great behind it ... we were stylin!
This pic was taken somewhere on the river but not sure where ....... me standing.

These old pics some of you are posting are great!

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25466&d=1384570071

[Sharp shooter]

If you were into boats in Southern California back in the '40s and '50s, Comstock Marine was the place to go. My dad bought a 14' Rockholt runabout (all Mahogany) built in Marysville, CA from Comstock in 1957 along with a 35HP Johnson outboard (the fancy gold one with the chrome cowling) which replaced our old 12' Kelsoncraft and it went to Lake Arrowhead. In late 1959 we got mesmerized by Powercats and bought a few of them too. About that same time we switched from Comstock to Al's Outboard Service (Al Zink) on Venice Blvd. near Marina del Rey (the marina wasn't there then). Albert Jr. is still in the marine business in Lake Havasu at Al's Outboard. Ted Miller who worked at Al's in Venice as a mechanic in the '60s has had his own marine dealership in Boulder City, NV (All Seasons Marine) for years.

That's cool Havasuing!!!! You've been around a while haven't you? Do you have any old pics you could share? :)

[Sharp shooter]

Really old!!
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[iBoat]

great thread fellas

[Sharp shooter]

great thread fellas

thanks!

Here's the "first" canopies on a boat (1958). :D

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Big River in 1970. I wish pops had laid down a little cash back then.

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[Sharp shooter]

Thanks Skyskier! I always enjoy your posts. :thumbup:

I've always admired what the ski racers and speed skiers bring to the table. I remember seeing the speed skiers at Marine Stadium in the 70's and anyone who's entered the Catalina race has my respect.

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Step hull design goes way back.
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Anybody old enough to remember Hyawatha outboards? Here's my Pop's with 2 12 hp string pullers......The galley housed all of the cooking needs for a week of fishing on the Colorado river. Looks to be breakfast time...

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Same boat upgraded to a 35hp Mercury...........me in the Captain's hat....


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[WMC]

Cool photos CC:thumbup:



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[Skyskier]

The Original "Shockwave" built in 1961 for Sam Simonoff (Simonoff trucking co. ) Ralph Muirhead eventually ended up owning the boat shortly after and raced it for a couple years before he started Unlimited Marine. My Pop's took the color photos a couple weeks ago before he left Idaho at Jerry Gilbreath's place. Jerry just finished doing a COMPLETE restoration on the boat, Pop say's it it top notch !! trailer an all. If you know who Jerry Gilbreath is you KNOW he doesn't do ANYTHING but the be$t. Me & Pop's went over to Bunky's place last week, he had the B&W pics, he's gonna dig up some more photo's an info on the original build, race history etc. for us to get to Jerry. I have no idea WHAT Jerry's gonna do with the boat, trying to talk him into bringing it down to Parker an run it in the Thanksgiving regatta and the spring fling in April.

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Here is my friends tow vehicle, 1975 Ford 4x4 .... brand new, that was the deal if I got the boat .... we walked into Board Ford in Whittier and drove out. The Rayson looked great behind it ... we were stylin!
This pic was taken somewhere on the river but not sure where ....... me standing.



Sadly, now a dirt lot again. Gone from Whittier Blvd are Don Steve's Chevrolet, McAlister Cadillac, Board Ford, Simpson Buick, Whitter Chrysler/Plymouth, Harris Oldsmobile, Dave Shenck Dodge, Urich Lincoln-Mercury Jones Chevrolet.....all shuttered or dirt again.

[Skyskier]

The Original "Shockwave" built in 1961 for Sam Simonoff (Simonoff trucking co. ) Ralph Muirhead eventually ended up owning the boat shortly after and raced it for a couple years before he started Unlimited Marine. My Pop's took the color photos a couple weeks ago before he left Idaho at Jerry Gilbreath's place. Jerry just finished doing a COMPLETE restoration on the boat, Pop say's it it top notch !! trailer an all. If you know who Jerry Gilbreath is you KNOW he doesn't do ANYTHING but the be$t. Me & Pop's went over to Bunky's place last week, he had the B&W pics, he's gonna dig up some more photo's an info on the original build, race history etc. for us to get to Jerry. I have no idea WHAT Jerry's gonna do with the boat, trying to talk him into bringing it down to Parker an run it in the Thanksgiving regatta and the spring fling in April.

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Here's a writeup on one of Jerry's other wood boats, Jefe

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_968c35d7-ea8c-5c55-b064-c2e2a020a53f.html

[CampbellCarl]

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[Sharp shooter]

Here's a writeup on one of Jerry's other wood boats, Jefe

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_968c35d7-ea8c-5c55-b064-c2e2a020a53f.html

That's one of my favorite boats. I've met Don St. John and his success in Shockwave is well documented. About 10 years ago Mike Leach raced it at Long Beach and I got some really good footage of it. The last time I saw the boat was at Irvine lake about 5 years ago. If memory serves I think Dale Lansbury owned it back then. :thumbup:

(You gotta love the wood trailer :))

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1403363_10201431270956103_2052384603_o.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

That's amazing Carl. lol Like many of us, your dad firmly planted the boating seed an early age. :)

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25582&d=1384716281

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A Few more for today

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[SummerO]

Very cool thread! Thanks for posting the pics and articles! Kind of makes you long for the "good old days" doesn't it?

[Sharp shooter]

Very cool thread!

Thanks! :)

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[Zander]

Wow what a lovely thread! So cool all these classics :)

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Shortly after WWII, lot of boat builders popped from the guys that worked in the aircraft plants and they built aluminum power boats. Feathercraft was on of the largest.
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[gn7]

Heres a couple of project boats for you Jerry.
This are pre plywood and batten construction. These are frame and plank with a veneer cover.
You can see the 1" thick planks on the sides.

Guess would be around 1950 ish.

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I am pretty sure this one is a very early Mandella, prior to Joe build plywood boats for Rudy and his dad

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[CampbellCarl]

Nice work there Bob..............any 'before' photos?

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Nice work there Bob..............any 'before' photos?
WTF Carl, those ARE the "before" pics. You should have seen how rough it was before the resto.

[2manymustangs]

WTF Carl, those ARE the "before" pics. You should have seen how rough it was before the resto.

Look what the cat dragged in... :omg:

[Sharp shooter]

Heres a couple of project boats for you Jerry.
This are pre plywood and batten construction. These are frame and plank with a veneer cover.
You can see the 1" thick planks on the sides.

Guess would be around 1950 ish.

I am pretty sure this one is a very early Mandella, prior to Joe build plywood boats for Rudy and his dad


Those boats are really cool!

I think Joe Mandella was the first guy in the game and sometime in the 50's a few builders started to pop up. I don't think there were more than a dozen or so Hot Rod boat builders until after 59 or so. Where's Harlan when we need him. :) Thanks for posting those!:thumbup:

[Sharp shooter]

Look what the cat dragged in... :omg:

It's about time you pop in. :D

[2manymustangs]

:party-smiley-020:

As a newbie to boating forum posting I am on my BEST behavior... :thumbsUp:

[gn7]

Those boats are really cool!

I think Joe Mandella was the first guy in the game and sometime in the 50's a few builders started to pop up. I don't think there were more than a dozen or so Hot Rod boat builders until after 59 or so. Where's Harlan when we need him. :) Thanks for posting those!:thumbup:

Joe was building planked and veneered boats like those posted, and the one with Bob Nordskog with the skier. Nordskog's Wimsey was a planked boat as well.
Heavy SOB and they were limited to the hull shape.
Around 1950 or so he build Rudy a plywood on frame battens, like you see in a wood cracker, where the plywood is a structural component of the build and there is no planking. By around 54-55, Jack Sanger, Len Schiada, Rusty and Bill Biesemeyer, Mack Stevens, Fred Wickens, Bob and Tom Patterson, were in. The game changer was after Joe's death in 56, with Rudy and his dad laying up glass hulls around 57 and selling them in 58. I think only Campbell bros & the Biesemeyers managed to make a glass boat in 59. Others started slowly getting into them around '60.

Between 1950 and 1960, there was some quantum leaps in the performance boat business. Most of them done by Joe, then later by Rudy and his dad.

[Sharp shooter]

Joe was building planked and veneered boats like those posted, and the one with Bob Nordskog with the skier. Nordskog's Wimsey was a planked boat as well.
Heavy SOB and they were limited to the hull shape.
Around 1950 or so he build Rudy a plywood on frame battens, like you see in a wood cracker, where the plywood is a structural component of the build and there is no planking. By around 54-55, Jack Sanger, Len Schiada, Rusty and Bill Biesemeyer, Mack Stevens, Fred Wickens, Bob and Tom Patterson, were in. The game changer was after Joe's death in 56, with Rudy and his dad laying up glass hulls around 57 and selling them in 58. I think only Campbell bros & the Biesemeyers managed to make a glass boat in 59. Others started slowly getting into them around '60.

Between 1950 and 1960, there was some quantum leaps in the performance boat business. Most of them done by Joe, then later by Rudy and his dad.

I couldn't make an argument against any of that. I would add Dave Miller, Nick barron and Irv Brendell to the list of early to mid 50's start ups based on my interviews and old magazine advertisements.

Definitely an interesting topic. :grad:

[Sharp shooter]

I think this is from 79

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Ok I gotta ask, where do you find this stuff? It is in your garage? Pretty cool classic stuff for sure.

[Wheeler]

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[Sharp shooter]

Holy shit Wheeler! Those pictures are priceless!!! I've been looking for pics of Harlan's home wrecker forever and might I add without luck and Bam there it is! Where did these come from?

[2manymustangs]

Holy shit Wheeler! Those pictures are priceless!!! I've been looking for pics of Harlan's home wrecker forever and might I add without luck and Bam there it is! Where did these come from?

Which one of those shots is Harlan's deal SS?

[Wheeler]

Holy shit Wheeler! Those pictures are priceless!!! I've been looking for pics of Harlan's home wrecker forever and might I add without luck and Bam there it is! Where did these come from?


Vintage Hydroplanes .....http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley.html

Bob Foley shot the pix at Ski Land. I sure wish that he would post some more of his pix! :thumb:

[2manymustangs]

Vintage Hydroplanes .....http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley.html

Bob Foley shot the pix at Ski Land. I sure wish that he would post some more of his pix! :thumb:


He is a VERY nice man... :action-smiley-035:

[Wheeler]

Which one of those shots is Harlan's deal SS?

Avenger 99-F
Hey, what’s that circle boat doing at Ski-Land? One of Bud Meyer’s 266 cubic inch hydros. Harlan Orrin designed, built and drove the boat as a 150 with a Bud Meyers Chevy Nova engine, then as a 266 with a sbc., then at the drags with a injected gas 327. After Bud Meyer and Harlan split partnership, he formed a partnership with Pete Altman & Wayne Rexwinkle. At the first meet at Long Beach Marine Stadium, Harlan set the APBA UGH record @ 107.14 as 99-F HOMEWRECKER. breaking the APBA UNBLOWN GAS, HYDRO, AUTO ENGINE, DRAG record at the Long Beach Marine Stadium, on July 18, 1965. Also, NDBA 100 mph club. We ran for several years undefeated. Harlan Orrin

[Wheeler]

Those pictures are priceless!!!


just think, if you keep posting all these cool threads HB might need to start a V-Drive section. :wink2:

[2manymustangs]

Avenger 99-F
Hey, what’s that circle boat doing at Ski-Land? One of Bud Meyer’s 266 cubic inch hydros. Harlan Orrin designed, built and drove the boat as a 150 with a Bud Meyers Chevy Nova engine, then as a 266 with a sbc., then at the drags with a injected gas 327. After Bud Meyer and Harlan split partnership, he formed a partnership with Pete Altman & Wayne Rexwinkle. At the first meet at Long Beach Marine Stadium, Harlan set the APBA UGH record @ 107.14 as 99-F HOMEWRECKER. breaking the APBA UNBLOWN GAS, HYDRO, AUTO ENGINE, DRAG record at the Long Beach Marine Stadium, on July 18, 1965. Also, NDBA 100 mph club. We ran for several years undefeated. Harlan Orrin

Looks like an old Hilborn strait stack injection on 99-F... AND dig those pipes!!! :action-smiley-035:

[Sharp shooter]

Ok I gotta ask, where do you find this stuff? It is in your garage? Pretty cool classic stuff for sure.

My dad had acquired a small stack of race boat magazines when I was young and I loved to look through them. I grew up around Hot Rod cars and Boats and my heros were Julian Pettingill, Gordon Jennings Sr, Paul Grichar, Ray Caselli, Schwabby, Don Garlits, Tom McEwen, Bob Hannah etc. I also thought many traditional ball sports athletes were cool too, but the "2 ball" motorsports were just more exciting to me.

As I've gotten older I turned a photo/video hobby into a (very small) business and was rewarded by having many of my "heros" become my friends. The more videos I shot the more friends I made and It got to where some of the older guys would ask me if I wanted their old collections knowing they would be well kept, appreciated and utilized and that everyone would benefit from.

Along the way, I've spent some money on ebay grabbing up what I can, but it's rare when anything pops up at all and especially for rags I don't already have.

I have a lot of stuff, but I also know of 2 people with fairly large collections that I hope to end up with someday. I guess I've become a raceboat magazine "hoarder". lol

This is about 2/3rds of my stash. So as you can see, I can keep this thread going a while. :D
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[Sharp shooter]

just think, if you keep posting all these cool threads HB might need to start a V-Drive section. :wink2:

Lets not get carried away now. lol!! Actually, Joe M has pumped a lot of life into HB's v-drive section. We'll see what the future holds. :D

[gn7]

I couldn't make an argument against any of that. I would add Dave Miller, Nick barron and Irv Brendell to the list of early to mid 50's start ups based on my interviews and old magazine advertisements.

Definitely an interesting topic. :grad:

Dave Miller and Irv Brendell for sure. I am sure theres one or two more we are missing. I talked to Nick about this at the last Hot Boat Reunion they held at the NHRA museum in Pomona. As I remember it, he didn't build many wood boats if any. He was little like Rudy in he bought bare wood boats, mainly from Hallett, and glassed them in his dads drive way, and rigged them. But he got into the boat game pretty late compared to the others, and he was into the glass thing pretty quick using plug tooling from Hallett.

I drove Rudy to the Reunion that year, and we had lunch with Nick and his wife. That was interesting to say the least. :yikes:
I spent the entire lunch talking to Nick, and Rudy spent the entire lunch talking with Nick's wife. Very interesting lunch to say the least. :happy:

Nicks dad owned a sheetmetal shop not to far from Brummett's in Pasadena. His dad wanted him to take over the biz, but Nick was having none of it. I guess Rudy's dad thought the same way before they started making money with the boats.

If you ever see a Brummett ad during that period, he is a Chris Craft dealer, and there is a ad with him driving a Chris Craft Racer.

[Sharp shooter]

Dave Miller and Irv Brendell for sure. I am sure theres one or two more we are missing. I talked to Nick about this at the last Hot Boat Reunion they held at the NHRA museum in Pomona. As I remember it, he didn't build many wood boats if any. He was little like Rudy in he bought bare wood boats, mainly from Hallett, and glassed them in his dads drive way, and rigged them. But he got into the boat game pretty late compared to the others, and he was into the glass thing pretty quick using plug tooling from Hallett.

I drove Rudy to the Reunion that year, and we had lunch with Nick and his wife. That was interesting to say the least. :yikes:
I spent the entire lunch talking to Nick, and Rudy spent the entire lunch talking with Nick's wife. Very interesting lunch to say the least. :happy:

Nicks dad owned a sheetmetal shop not to far from Brummett's in Pasadena. His dad wanted him to take over the biz, but Nick was having none of it. I guess Rudy's dad thought the same way before they started making money with the boats.

If you ever see a Brummett ad during that period, he is a Chris Craft dealer, and there is a ad with him driving a Chris Craft Racer.

If you click on my video from the 1st ever Boat racers reunion (I know you've seen it) you'll hear Nick say he's been full time in the biz since 1958 and as a hobby since 1948. He actually says 42 years ago and 52 years ago and the video was shot in 2000. :)

I'll keep my eyes open for a Brummett ad. :thumbup:

[gn7]

If you click on my video from the 1st ever Boat racers reunion (I know you've seen it) you'll hear Nick say he's been full time in the biz since 1958 and as a hobby since 1948. He actually says 42 years ago and 52 years ago and the video was shot in 2000. :)

I'll keep my eyes open for a Brummett ad. :thumbup:

Yeah, 58 sounds about right, but remember, by that time Joe Mandella has been dead for over a year, and Rudy is already making glass flat bottoms. Nick got into the game just as glass was taking off. Not a lot of wood boats under his belt as a builder.
He told me the same thing. He always knew he would never take over his sheetmetal shop. Boats were his thing long before he went into the business. Once Joe had built Rudy the first plywood structural v drive, Hallett was right there shortly later. Nick and Hallett were kind of like Joe and Rudy. But when Joe died in '56, Rudy's move was to glass, and was selling them by 1958. and Nick stayed with the wood until some in the early 60s. Based of this ad, maybe as late as 1963. In this ad the company is still Barron Boat Works. Later it becomes Hallett Fiberglass Boats. Some of the earliest cast metal badges say by "Barron Boat Works"

If you have the 1958(august??) Hot Rod with the first Rayson Craft ad on the last page, I believe there is a Lou Brummett ad in that.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/v-drive_ads_078.jpg

[gn7]

Can't believe Wheeler left out Buzz Coats' Mortician, now owned by now owned Spike Morelli.
http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley_mortician.jpg

The color shots of the D&H Woodpecker and Mixed Emotions boats are like 2nd or 3rd generations of those boats. D&H were some of the early wood builders too.
I'll have to dig up the pic I have of the first Woodpecker running a Hot Boat race at Long Beach. Can't imagine try trying to corner one of those with that bottom.


I laughed when I saw this pic of the earlier Woodpecker. I worked for Joe Panek's Rotofaze Ignitions for a few months when in high school. It was in Inglewood then. Now his shop is in Torrance, and I see him every so often. Cool old man.
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25740&d=1384918404

[Wendi]

Can't believe Wheeler left out Buzz Coats' Mortician, now owned by now owned Spike Morelli.
http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley_mortician.jpg

The color shots of the D&H Woodpecker and Mixed Emotions boats are like 2nd or 3rd generations of those boats. D&H were some of the early wood builders too.
I'll have to dig up the pic I have of the first Woodpecker running a Hot Boat race at Long Beach. Can't imagine try trying to corner one of those with that bottom.


I laughed when I saw this pic of the earlier Woodpecker. I worked for Joe Panek's Rotofaze Ignitions for a few months when in high school. It was in Inglewood then. Now his shop is in Torrance, and I see him every so often. Cool old man.
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25740&d=1384918404
bitchen picture!

[Sharp shooter]

Can't believe Wheeler left out Buzz Coats' Mortician, now owned by now owned Spike Morelli.
http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley_mortician.jpg

The color shots of the D&H Woodpecker and Mixed Emotions boats are like 2nd or 3rd generations of those boats. D&H were some of the early wood builders too.
I'll have to dig up the pic I have of the first Woodpecker running a Hot Boat race at Long Beach. Can't imagine try trying to corner one of those with that bottom.



It's funny you bring that up Bob, because I just ran across that pic and I had to look twice because I always thought of that boat as a dragster. Then I thought a little more remembering that back then, "anything went" so yeah, not necessarilly a big deal. Lol

[dj bill]

I remember Bill Hunter Boat sales commercials on ktla during the day as a kid,was I dreaming.lol

[2manymustangs]

2012 at the beach...

Spike& The Mortician and ??? :smilies_mit_hut019:

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[gn7]

It's funny you bring that up Bob, because I just ran across that pic and I had to look twice because I always thought of that boat as a dragster. Then I thought a little more remembering that back then, anything went so ya, not necessarilly a big deal. Lol
I think that was pretty much the way it was. The concept was all so new, that no one idea had defined them. Red Wilson(who owned Clay Smith cams at the time) built Jimmy Bryan, (who won the 1958 Indy), a V drive boat with the driver behind the engine, with a v drive forward, and bottom similar to the D&H Sleds.
Later Rudy built Jimmy Bryan a baddass SK.

Red Wilson was big into boats while he owned Clay Smith cams. He worked for Clay when Clay was killed at a race by his own car while standing in the pits. Red married Clay's widow and ran Clay Smith Cams. In 1965 Red was killed in a "E" boat race at Marine Stadium.
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[Sharp shooter]

I think that was pretty much the way it was. The concept was all so new, that no one idea had defined them. Red Wilson(who owned Clay Smith cams at the time) built Jimmy Bryan, (who won the 1958 Indy), a V drive boat with the driver behind the engine, with a v drive forward, and bottom similar to the D&H Sleds.
Later Rudy built Jimmy Bryan a baddass SK.

Red Wilson was big into boats while he owned Clay Smith cams. He worked for Clay when Clay was killed at a race by his own car while standing in the pits. Red married Clay's widow and ran Clay Smith Cams. In 1965 Red was killed in a "E" boat race at Marine Stadium.
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That's interesting Bob. That poor lady (Clay and then Red's wife) went through hell it sounds like.

[Sharp shooter]

These things were great if you enjoy face plants.

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[Slowride]

Not as long ago as you'd think
http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/stevens/ste35.jpg

[Slowride]

Not as long ago as you'd think
http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/stevens/ste35.jpg

[WESTERNAERO]

Why is it that most of the old pics of the hydros the transoms are dragging in the water? Were the boats that much different or were the props not creating the lift they have now. Maybe they used to run the props further back? Seems they were all riding this way.

[Sharp shooter]

Why is it that most of the old pics of the hydros the transoms are dragging in the water? Were the boats that much different or were the props not creating the lift they have now. Maybe they used to run the props further back? Seems they were all riding this way.



My theory would be that some of the earlier hydros were just flatbottoms with riding pads added. Either way "most" air traps were small (on some) and the boats were definitely heavier.

[gn7]

Circle hydros were 3 pointing on the prop back on the early 50s. Slo Mo Shun was the first unlimited 3 pointer in 1950. The problem with hydros in general is they accelerate much slower than displacement hulls unless they have an over abundance of power to weight and length so they can blow themselves out of the water. So drag hydros were then last to go to full 3 point hydro designs because they were actually slower than the displacement hulls. The first top eliminator classes were regular flat bottoms, then they went to "hydrobouts" or "runaplanes" that were transitional flats with trainer wheels.

[Sharp shooter]

Not as long ago as you'd think
http://www.vintagerodcomponents.com/boat/stevens/ste35.jpg

Is that the Stevens jet Mike?

[Sharp shooter]

Big cat owners should enjoy this.

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[gn7]

The big Chris Cats and Shadow Cats were the chiznit when they first hit offshore.
Ramos used a 30ft Chris Cat to win his Offshore Championship. They are still cool boats.

30FT Chris Cat
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30FT Shadow Cat
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Before Gentry got hurt, they use to build these a block down the street from our shop. Loved going down there and seeing these monsters build. Sometimes they would have a twin turbo BBC on the dyno and they tested them like they were trying to break them.
48ft Gentry Eagle/Cougar
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[GotHalos]

Some awesome stuff in here.

You guys could write multiple books with all your knowledge :thumbup:

[Skee]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_001.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_010.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/schuster_001.jpg
My very first boat was 1973 18' Tahiti Tiger with a Berk squirt....I ran the shit outta that thing for many years....I've had many different boats since then,now I went back to the Ol' s'kool stuff (all I can afford..haha) now I'm runnin' my lil 77 18' Spectra with a berk squirt...all original....and I am diggin' this thread,big time! :)

[Slowride]

Is that the Stevens jet Mike?
Yup... "gave aired" out new meaning :wink:

[gn7]

The picture in this Berkley ad that Sharp Shooter posted is from a early jet boat tech article in Boating News/Hot Boat. All those boats are basically like the ad says, V drive flats setup with Berkleys. This was before they figured out that they were better off using a outboard type shallow V hull design than a inboard v drive flat hull. Those things had to be a hand full to drive.


http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_001.jpg


I really think the Brummett/Mandella 20ft Cruiser is a cool boat, but not as a jet. I don't think you could get me to drive the thing.

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[2manymustangs]

The big Chris Cats and Shadow Cats were the chiznit when they first hit offshore.
Ramos used a 30ft Chris Cat to win his Offshore Championship. They are still cool boats.

30FT Chris Cat
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30FT Shadow Cat
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Before Gentry got hurt, they use to build these a block down the street from our shop. Loved going down there and seeing these monsters build. Sometimes they would have a twin turbo BBC on the dyno and they tested them like they were trying to break them.
48ft Gentry Eagle/Cougar
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Bob, can you tell me what kind of drive set up i am looking at on that top picture (Jesse James)??? I cant make it out from the pic but it sure enough looks different...

[westair]

If you click on my video from the 1st ever Boat racers reunion (I know you've seen it) you'll hear Nick say he's been full time in the biz since 1958 and as a hobby since 1948. He actually says 42 years ago and 52 years ago and the video was shot in 2000. :)

I'll keep my eyes open for a Brummett ad. :thumbup:

That video is awesome.... lot of knowledge and history there! ..... Rudy talking about winning the Salton 500...130 boats entered! .... wow

[westair]

2012 at the beach...

Spike& The Mortician and ??? :smilies_mit_hut019:

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Didn't he have a 60's era hydro drag boat there too .... Spike is cool, had a good time talking to him

[gn7]

Didn't he have a 60's era hydro drag boat there too .... Spike is cool, had a good time talking to him

The "Too Much" Stevens?
http://www.dragboatcity.com/boats-sale/49%20Steven%2065%20hydro%201.jpg
http://www.dragboatcity.com/boats-sale/49%20Steven%2065%20hydro%202.jpg

[gn7]

Bob, can you tell me what kind of drive set up i am looking at on that top picture (Jesse James)??? I cant make it out from the pic but it sure enough looks different...

I think the are just Speedmasters with set back boxes, and different lowers. They could be Konrads, but I think they are just KAMA/SSM's

Probably just some variation of this drive.
http://www.go-fast.com/images/v-ssm.gif

[WESTERNAERO]

Didn't he have a 60's era hydro drag boat there too .... Spike is cool, had a good time talking to him

Hey I know that guy Spike, he lives down the street from a friend of mine. Pretty interesting guy, knew a lot about old boat history like you guys also. He would walk down and bullshit with us once in a while when we'd have the hotrods out. Yeah he did have an old hydro too. Actually, I think he had more boats, plus he was always finding really bitchin old parts. Haven't seen him in a long time, cool guy. Kinda weird seeing a picture of him on here after not seeing him for so long.

[WESTERNAERO]

The "Too Much" Stevens?
http://www.dragboatcity.com/boats-sale/49%20Steven%2065%20hydro%201.jpg
http://www.dragboatcity.com/boats-sale/49%20Steven%2065%20hydro%202.jpg

Yep that's the boat, I must type too slow. You put up the pics while I was typing, funny.

[2manymustangs]

Hey I know that guy Spike, he lives down the street from a friend of mine. Pretty interesting guy, knew a lot about old boat history like you guys also. He would walk down and bullshit with us once in a while when we'd have the hotrods out. Yeah he did have an old hydro too. Actually, I think he had more boats, plus he was always finding really bitchin old parts. Haven't seen him in a long time, cool guy. Kinda weird seeing a picture of him on here after not seeing him for so long.

I have other pictures of the guys that were at the book signing at Marina Pacifica for Don Edwards Drag Boat book... Spike was there, I will post them up when I get home and find the pics on my external HD... His tow rig is/was a Mach 1 Mustang but then you prolly already knew that... :D

[WESTERNAERO]

I have other pictures of the guys that were at the book signing at Marina Pacifica for Don Edwards Drag Boat book... Spike was there, I will post them up when I get home and find the pics on my external HD... His tow rig is/was a Mach 1 Mustang but then you prolly already knew that... :D

Yeah he would drive it down the block sometimes when we had the cars out and hang out.

[Sharp shooter]

Yeah he would drive it down the block sometimes when we had the cars out and hang out.

I met spike at Lake San Antonio back in '97 and put him in the following years video. Did an interview with him at the Catalina ski race v-drive boat exhibit. The guy "is" nostalgia! He even does gigs with his 50's band Lil Elmo and the Cosmos.:thumbup:

Spike is the guy to talk to when it comes to anything Stevens boat related.

This is a shot I snapped at San Antone the same weekend I met Spike. The boat is hooked up to his Mach 1.

When they first filled Lake San Antonio my Dad took us there a lot. The lake was new and Dad was getting worn out by the Parker crowds. A lot of good memories there.

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[Sharp shooter]

Some awesome stuff in here.

You guys could write multiple books with all your knowledge :thumbup:

HAHA!! Thanks.... Even though I'm not sure about that. lol

[gn7]

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

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I can't really see the people in those pics. The profile shot looks like an 18 Hallett maybe...? I got nuthin.

Sorry Jerry, didn't see that you had responded to these pics.
That's a pic of the first 21ft Rayson cruiser. It has the crown deck like Devines as opposed to the more common flat ski deck.
That's Rudy driving, I have no idea who is with him.

[Sharp shooter]

Sorry Jerry, didn't see that you had responded to these pics.
That's a pic of the first 21ft Rayson cruiser. It has the crown deck like Devines as opposed to the more common flat ski deck.
That's Rudy driving, I have no idea who is with him.

Oh ok. So aside from Maxies 1 of a kind 59 model (yeah right...), which boat was the first 19'6" GN hull? The first one I see in the magazines is the Edelbrock boat in '68 I think. Or were the big flatbottoms first?

[gn7]

Not really. the first one I poached a couple years ago from a thread on PB. The LBMS pics I tripped over looking for info on Marion Beaver's "Gummy" hydros for a friend whos dad(Wayne Thompson) that drove the Uncle Gummy hydro, when Bob Ellis was driving the Gummy's Ghost hydro.
The guys with the old flat is from Glen L's "news letters" There is some pretty cool pics buried in the site, You just have to dig for them because they are buried in years of news letters.
The Mandella that Nordskog is driving still exists in resides in Palos Verdes, I believe with Bob's bother in law.

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

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Oh ok. So aside from Maxies 1 of a kind 59 model (yeah right...), which boat was the first 20.5 GN hull? The first one I see in the magazines is the Edelbrock boat in '68 I think. Or were the big flatbottoms first?

The 20ft v bottom was before the flat. The first flat was the wood deck yellow and blue one he won the Orange Bowl 250 in 1969 with the injected Boss 429. I posted a pic of it earlier in this thread.

Interestlngly, the very first V bottom GN hull win was the 1967 Outboard World Championship in Havasu with 3 Mercs driven by Rudy, Ron Larson and Michael Reagan.
But I believe you are correct that the first inboard powered 20 ft GN was Vic's "Big Red E" at the Elsinore 500

Rudy swore the 20ft V bottom is nothing more than the Allison hull cut down and straked. When built the flat for the Orange Bowl in 69, he just threw a "false" bottom into the mold to flatten it out. Who is I to doubt it. Sounds possible.
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http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=294146&d=1369292137&thumb=1

Vic in the Big Red E and Butch Patterson in Rudy's Phfft

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Vic at the 68 Elsinore 500. Kam Nelson was the trophy girl.:idhitit:

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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/25549_108429605864279_7593227_n.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

The 20ft v bottom was before the flat. The first flat was the wood deck yellow and blue one he won the Orange Bowl 250 in 1969 with the injected Boss 429. I posted a pic of it earlier in this thread.

Interestlngly, the very first V bottom GN hull win was the 1967 Outboard World Championship in Havasu with 3 Mercs driven by Rudy, Ron Larson and Michael Reagan.
But I believe you are correct that the first inboard powered 20 ft GN was Vic's "Big Red E" at the Elsinore 500

Rudy swore the 20ft V bottom is nothing more than the Allison hull cut down and straked. When built the flat for the Orange Bowl in 69, he just threw a "false" bottom into the mold to flatten it out. Who is I to doubt it. Sounds possible.
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http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=294146&d=1369292137&thumb=1

Vic in the Big Red E and Butch Patterson in Rudy's Phfft

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Vic at the 68 Elsinore 500. Kam Nelson was the trophy girl.:idhitit:

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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/25549_108429605864279_7593227_n.jpg

Thanks for the info Bob.

Doesn't the GN actually measure 19' 6" and they call it a 20? I'm a cloudy on the details. What about the decks, there's at least 2 and one drops down in the front.

I interviewed Rudy (one of many times) and we got on the subject of these bottoms and he said the same thing to me about the U-9 having the same bottom. I peaked under the boat and thought, it sure doesn't look the same, but I wasn't going to question King Rudy. lol

Where's the Edelbrock boat now?

[RPB]

Very nice thread gentlemen...cheers

[Slowride]

The picture in this Berkley ad that Sharp Shooter posted is from a early jet boat tech article in Boating News/Hot Boat. All those boats are basically like the ad says, V drive flats setup with Berkleys. This was before they figured out that they were better off using a outboard type shallow V hull design than a inboard v drive flat hull. Those things had to be a hand full to drive.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_001.jpg


Really wasn't as bad a ride as you'd think. Actually made my ass pucker LESS crossing a wake than my 18 Advantage (Rogers)! You did NOT want to come down flat after coming out of the water though.
Pump unloaded like a mad dog in anything but glass. Just kinda squeeze into it and cross your fingers.....

[2manymustangs]

I think the are just Speedmasters with set back boxes, and different lowers. They could be Konrads, but I think they are just KAMA/SSM's

Probably just some variation of this drive.
http://www.go-fast.com/images/v-ssm.gif

Did the boat have tripples? You can see one unit dow low in the center and set back and a second unit up higher/forward... Cant see if there is a third on the other side...

Wild........ I should have asked my question more clearly, just looks like a "unique" arrangement of the drives....

[Sharp shooter]

Very nice thread gentlemen...cheers

Hey brother, welcome to HB.:cool

[gn7]

Thanks for the info Bob.

Doesn't the GN actually measure 19' 6" and they call it a 20? I'm a cloudy on the details. What about the decks, there's at least 2 and one drops down in the front.

I interviewed Rudy (one of many times) and we got on the subject of these bottoms and he said the same thing to me about the U-9 having the same bottom. I peaked under the boat and thought, it sure doesn't look the same, but I wasn't going to question King Rudy. lol

Where's the Edelbrock boat now?

Yeah, the 20 GN measure right around 19'2" to the transom. The deck that is flat across the dash rise and doesn't have the cut down gunnels is the early deck, as well as the "latest" deck if you get one from Cucci, who has the mold mine, Kenny's, and Art's was pulled from. That mold is a splash off Jackson's boat.

Rex Phillips is also laying up the "early" deck in CF and epoxy. Not sure how he came to have the mold, or what/who's was splashed from. The new GN running, Black Jack GN 21 is out Rex's mold and rigged using measurements from mine.

The white hull below was laid up by Schiada. Not sure who is behind the making of these, but I think Wally(Armo Navy) has a something to do with it. I believe its a splash off the Yosemite Sam boat.

Now you can get a 20ft Rayson from 3 sources now, and both the early and late deck.

Rudy told me he went to the later deck with the peak to "update" the boat, and to make it match the 21ft cruiser when he tooled that, and decided to go back to the cut down gunnels of the flat bottoms. So really, in my mind, the later GN is a cross of "old school" cut down gunnels, and new dash rise.

If I could tool a NEW deck, it would have the cut down gunnels, and a flat deck rise ala an early LP.
I don't care the peak on the deck, and I like the cut down gunnels.

Boat laid up by Schiada, I have no idea where this boat is.

http://raysoncraft.com/images/raysoncraft_big_17.jpg

CF and epoxy hull laid up by Rex Phillips. I like to buy this hull. Price is right too!
http://www.lionseek.com/images/big/boats/66/55904-rayson-craft-gn.jpg

As for what happened to Edelbrocks Big Red E. That's an interesting question. I talked to Vic about a couple years ago at one of his benefit car shows he has, and he said it went to so Africa. This article by Mel Zikes during that period backs that up. However, Steveo tells me he knows a guy that had it, or still does. I think there may have been more than one. My understanding is, the one that won the Elsinore 500 in 68 went to So Africa.
This is kind of an interesting article because it also answers the earliern question of the 20 V verses the 20 flat, running or winning the first race. Well, it talks about Vics V bottom GN winning and being sold, and of Rudy and Ron Larsons recent win at the Orange Bowl 250, which was won by the yellow and blue Boss powered flat, a year later, and both wins were firsts for both hulls. If you don't count Rudy using a 20ft V to win the World Outboard Championship in Nov of 67(a few months before Vic's win)

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[Sharp shooter]

Ok, Bob so whats up with Bonicis's Deck? His boat goes way back I think.

The Yosemite Sam was a successful boat back when. Is it still down south in the heart of moonshine country. :D

[Sharp shooter]

Bindings sure have come a long way. :D 1969

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[Sharp shooter]

Eliminator Boats humble beginning. '69

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[Sharp shooter]

1970

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[Sharp shooter]

I've never seen one of these but they were definitely advertised well. Anyone ever see or own one?

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[gn7]

Ok, Bob so whats up with Bonicis's Deck? His boat goes way back I think.

The Yosemite Sam was a successful boat back when. Is it still down south in the heart of moonshine country. :D

Yosemite Sam is in Tennessee I believe. The owner is on PB every once in a while and has called me a couple times looking for parts.
He is on PB every so often under the user name Mr Kilowatt. He owns one of the SK Raysons that Army Haines of Haines Electric ran. He also owns the old Yosemite Sam, that Fitzgerald, Duff and Rankin drove, or were scheduled to drive in the BWR 300 a couple years ago.

Funny, always thought that Yosemite Sam was a rocket. It kicked some serious as in its day. It held the kilo record for quite awhile at 95 MPH for a long time until Kenny's Family Tradition GN13 driven by Lance Faulkner broke it at 112. Today, you better being doing 108-110 on the back straight of first lap, or you'll be 3rd by the time you get to the second turn.

http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1130&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1298341561

[gn7]

I've never seen one of these but they were definitely advertised well. Anyone ever see or own one?

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Yeah I have seen few. Some I wish I hadn't. The tunnel cruiser being one of them. That's by far the best pic of one I have ever seen. Maybe that's why they use it. Not the best looking "cat" out there at the time. But a little ahead of its time. I understand Jones had some hand in the bottom of them. They made a couple late in the company's history that were a little more pleasant to the eye. Bill Holmes sold the company and it folded shortly later.
I will say one thing about them, they were built stout.
I have to give some credit to the guy who owns the boat in the ad. At least he knew what it was and named it aptly .:D

http://www.vintagejetboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3233&d=1330561717&thumb=1&stc=1
http://www.teshio.com/JetBoat/images/horizon_jet-A.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/16.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Salton_Sea.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/EZ_lift.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Spectra1975.jpg

[Brian]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/hotboatjan1967.jpg

This is a awesome shot. Nothing like following a flat from the back just cruising along.

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/v-drive_ads.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/v-drive_ads_012.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/v-drive_ads_077.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/v-drive_ads_075.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Cigarette_002.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/boat_ID_600_lines.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

This cracks me up. Back seat driver. lol

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Funny_Wackers_001.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

George Nordlings Boat Bar.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/SF_7.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/SF_4.jpg

[WESTERNAERO]

George Nordlings Boat Bar.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/SF_7.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/SF_4.jpg
That is bitchin!!

[Mitch]

Nice thread Jerry.

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz123/mitchell7067/photo72.jpg (http://s820.photobucket.com/user/mitchell7067/media/photo72.jpg.html)

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz123/mitchell7067/photo70.jpg (http://s820.photobucket.com/user/mitchell7067/media/photo70.jpg.html)

[Sharp shooter]

Nice thread Jerry.

Thanks Mitch. I appreciate the contribution. I never noticed Rotary outboards before. Either there weren't many made or I wasn't paying attention. :D

[nowski]

Great Thread By The Way!!! Back in the day most people skied with a ski belt, would those things be legal today?

[Sharp shooter]

Great Thread By The Way!!! Back in the day most people skied with a ski belt, would those things be legal today?

That's what we used along with 75 foot double handle ropes. :D

[Havasuing]

A couple of quick additions: The tunnel boat (#191) in the OMC ad was Jimbo McConnell's. He drove it in the 1974 Parker 7-Hour (first year it was 7 hours, not 9) and the rotary power was awesome for about the first hour (he almost lapped the entire field on a 13-mile course) until it broke. I never got a really straight answer from OMC's Charile Strang in the months and years that followed about why the rotary project disappeared so quickly after all the R&D that OMC sunk into it. The Horizon "Jette" was a great boat (although not very pretty) as far as I was concerned. I drove/tested several for Powerboat and found them to be the best turning vee-bottom in the jet category. The Mel Zikes column from Powerboat brings back memories -- when I started there as magazine editor I had four monthly columnists to wrangle and each was a handful in their own way: Bill Muncey, John Crouse, Mel Zikes and Dick DeBartolo -- for my money the most entertaining team of unpredictable boating pundits the industry has ever had. And Don Aronow has to be one of boating's most memorable personalities -- met him for the first time in April 1967 on the guest dock at the Long Beach Yacht Club. He and Knocky (his cockpit co-pilot) had come out to run the Long Beach to Ensenada POPBRA offshore race with a 32' Cary (Cigarette hadn't been born yet). Don made a gentlmen's bet with Long Beach mayor, Edwin Wade, that he would get to Ensenada in his race boat before Wade could drive there by car. Don won the race and the bet by a mile.

[Sharp shooter]

A couple of quick additions: The tunnel boat (#191) in the OMC ad was Jimbo McConnell's. He drove it in the 1974 Parker 7-Hour (first year it was 7 hours, not 9) and the rotary power was awesome for about the first hour (he almost lapped the entire field on a 13-mile course) until it broke. I never got a really straight answer from OMC's Charile Strang in the months and years that followed about why the rotary project disappeared so quickly after all the R&D that OMC sunk into it. The Horizon "Jette" was a great boat (although not very pretty) as far as I was concerned. I drove/tested several for Powerboat and found them to be the best turning vee-bottom in the jet category. The Mel Zikes column from Powerboat brings back memories -- when I started there as magazine editor I had four monthly columnists to wrangle and each was a handful in their own way: Bill Muncey, John Crouse, Mel Zikes and Dick DeBartolo -- for my money the most entertaining team of unpredictable boating pundits the industry has ever had. And Don Aronow has to be one of boating's most memorable personalities -- met him for the first time in April 1967 on the guest dock at the Long Beach Yacht Club. He and Knocky (his cockpit co-pilot) had come out to run the Long Beach to Ensenada POPBRA offshore race with a 32' Cary (Cigarette hadn't been born yet). Don made a gentlmen's bet with Long Beach mayor, Edwin Wade, that he would get to Ensenada in his race boat before Wade could drive there by car. Don won the race and the bet by a mile.

Bob Brown...?

Great info! Here's another shot of the Horizon out of the Aug '71 Powerboat. The picture headed a Bill Holmes interview.:thumbsUp:

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[gn7]

A couple of quick additions: The tunnel boat (#191) in the OMC ad was Jimbo McConnell's. He drove it in the 1974 Parker 7-Hour (first year it was 7 hours, not 9) and the rotary power was awesome for about the first hour (he almost lapped the entire field on a 13-mile course) until it broke. I never got a really straight answer from OMC's Charile Strang in the months and years that followed about why the rotary project disappeared so quickly after all the R&D that OMC sunk into it. .
I remember when my uncle moved to Havasu in '71, and shortly after that McCulloch had leased space at the Site 6 compound to OMC and they were testing the rotary then. My understanding is the same thing that plagued them then was the same thing as had always plaqued rotary engines at the time. The wipers. Wiper material that would last couldn't take the RPM, material that could take the RPM wouldn't last.
I can remember watching them testing, and they were ungodly fast.

Bob Brown...?

Great info! Here's another shot of the Horizon out of the Aug '71 Powerboat. The picture headed a Bill Holmes interview.:thumbsUp:


This is a later Jones design Holmes built tunnel. Much better looking. One of these with a couple 2.5s would be a cool ride for the Parker enduro.
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[doubleeagle]

Bill Holmes use to joke he built his jets like he did so he and his wife Gracy could both ride in the boats.

[Havasuing]

Bill, Gracie and their two boys were great. They didn't build the best looking boats, but they all seemed to run very well, and they were well built. Horizon was really the first west coast performance company to go all-out at boat shows with themed displays -- sometimes jungle, pirate, etc. Always fun waiting to see what Gracie came up with. One of their old tunnels well rigged with modern power would definitely be a fun ride.

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/jet_ads_030.jpg

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http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/jet_ads_032.jpg

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/jet_ads_034.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

Back cover of June 71 Powerboat mag.

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[Sharp shooter]

With a stern drive.

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[Sharp shooter]

Jimbo was the man.

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[Sharp shooter]

1977

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[Sharp shooter]

1974
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http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/v-drive_ads_072.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/HotRod_Sept66.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/Hotrods.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/Hotrods.jpg.html)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/HotRodvell2.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/HotRodvell2.jpg.html)

[CampbellCarl]

Kings River guessing 1967. Pops had moved us up to a Glasspar Avalon, 75hp Evinrude.....

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[Wendi]

Kings River guessing 1967. Pops had moved us up to a Glasspar Avalon, 75hp Evinrude.....

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I used to go to Kings River! Great place

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/jet_ads_020.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/More_Jet_ads_005.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/More_Jet_ads_001.jpg

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_014.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

1973

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/old_boat_ads_017.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Julian_T.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

Late 70's
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[Sharp shooter]

'78

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[CampbellCarl]

Interesting spelling in the SCSC T-day flyer......Crakerbox

[Sharp shooter]

173 mph in a flatty way back in 1979!

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[Wheeler]

Can't believe Wheeler left out Buzz Coats' Mortician, now owned by now owned Spike Morelli.
http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/albums/foley/foley_mortician.jpg

The color shots of the D&H Woodpecker and Mixed Emotions boats are like 2nd or 3rd generations of those boats. D&H were some of the early wood builders too.
I'll have to dig up the pic I have of the first Woodpecker running a Hot Boat race at Long Beach. Can't imagine try trying to corner one of those with that bottom.


I laughed when I saw this pic of the earlier Woodpecker. I worked for Joe Panek's Rotofaze Ignitions for a few months when in high school. It was in Inglewood then. Now his shop is in Torrance, and I see him every so often. Cool old man.
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25740&d=1384918404





I'm not sure how I missed the "Mortician" as it's one of my favorite boats of all time. :action-smiley-035:

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These pix of the "Woodpecker" were taken at Birch and Broadway in Hawthorne, next to Dunaway and Douglas Mortuary, '63 or there about.


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[Sharp shooter]

What kind of injector is that Denny?

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[westair]

173 mph in a flatty way back in 1979!

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Seen this boat run a number of times, ..... dominated the 70's, I rarely hear it mentioned or the driver Al Bush but it always was the highlight of the event.

[gn7]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/old_boat_ads_017.jpg


Jerry, do you know what year this was? I am guessing 1969 based on the dates, fri, sat and sunday, and there is still a SK and ERR class. The Jet classes kind of throws me though.
The next years with fri sat and sun falling on the dates is '75 and 80.
I noticed there is no GN, KM class. In 1969 they didn't race APBA. They were running the "Professional" drivers association or what ever it was called.

EDIT: figured out it was 1975.

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/old_boat_ads_017.jpg


Jerry, do you know what year this was? I am guessing 1969 based on the dates, fri, sat and sunday, and there is still a SK and ERR class. The Jet classes kind of throws me though.
The next years with fri sat and sun falling on the dates is '75 and 80.
I noticed there is no GN, KM class. In 1969 they didn't race APBA. They were running the "Professional" drivers association or what ever it was called.

EDIT: figured out it was 1975.

Yes 1975 was correct, but how you could even remotely think '69 from this is beyond me.

What's with you and 1969 today? lol The Julian B boat pictured top left would have been 2 years later than 69 at it's earliest and the K Jet class was several years out from '69 too. Rough day today Bob? :D

[gn7]

Yes 1975 was correct, but how you could even remotely think '69 from this is beyond me.

What's with you and 1969 today? lol The Julian B boat pictured top left would have been 2 years later than 69 at it's earliest and the K Jet class was several years out from '69 too. Rough day today Bob? :D

1969 was during the SC years. But that didn't last thru 1975. Like I said, the jet classes were not setting well with me at all!!!

I think its the "what year did you graduate" thread that is throwing me. :bangmyhead:

So I wonder why GNs weren't listed on the flier?

[Sharp shooter]

1969 was during the SC years. But that didn't last thru 1975. Like I said, the jet classes were not setting well with me at all!!!

I think its the "what year did you graduate" thread that is throwing me. :bangmyhead:

So I wonder why GNs weren't listed on the flier?

I don't know. I didn't even attend my first Bluewater race until the 90's. I can say, I don't remember the GN's racing with the usual circle boats at the Stadium in the 70's. There sure were a lot of Hydro classes though and it was standing room only on the shore when the K's came out. :cool

[Sharp shooter]

40 foot Corsa 1976

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[gn7]

I don't know. I didn't even attend my first Bluewater race until the 90's. I can say, I don't remember the GN's racing with the usual circle boats at the Stadium in the 70's. There sure were a lot of Hydro classes though and it was standing room only on the shore when the K's came out. :cool

Yeah, I need to find out what they were doing during that period. I can't believe there were enough endurance races to keep them that busy. That's would have been during the E.T. period as well. Maybe the I.E. category had their own deal going on at the time.

You aren't kidding about the number of hydros that ran during that time. The capsule deal killed hydros on the west coast for some reason.

[Sharp shooter]

Yeah, I need to find out what they were doing during that period. I can't believe there were enough endurance races to keep them that busy. That's would have been during the E.T. period as well. Maybe the I.E. category had their own deal going on at the time.

You aren't kidding about the number of hydros that ran during that time. The capsule deal killed hydros on the west coast for some reason.

Yeah Bob, I never saw an et race....?

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/enduro_1985.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Glastron_CV_16_1970.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/jet_ads_024.jpg

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[Sharp shooter]

1978

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_017.jpg

[Schemes n' Scams]

I didn't know what my dad was talking about until this thread....26606

[doubleeagle]

A few more

[Sharp shooter]

Keep 'em coming D-Eagle if you can! How about some pics from your old shop.:cool

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[Sharp shooter]

1976

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[gn7]

The Speed and Marine was the coolest E.T. ever built, with a coolest sound when it was flat out.
I think the biggest reason they died out is the long races went away. The GNs could adapt to short courses and short race lengths. But the E.T.s really need course length to stretch their legs.
Nordskog did pretty well in the E.T./K.T. classes as well.
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[28eliminator]

This is a really cool thread :action-smiley-035:

[gn7]

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[Sharp shooter]

The Speed and Marine was the coolest E.T. ever built, with a coolest sound when it was flat out.
I think the biggest reason they died out is the long races went away. The GNs could adapt to short courses and short race lengths. But the E.T.s really need course length to stretch their legs.
Nordskog did pretty well in the E.T./K.T. classes as well.
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I really like the ET boats for Enduro racing. If someone would throw enough money at one it would beat everything out there IMO if it could fit a class. It would definitely be the fastest around the course if it were powered and engineered right IMHO.

[Sharp shooter]

This is a really cool thread :action-smiley-035:

Thanks! :)

[Sharp shooter]

UNLIMITED HYDRO VS K BOAT This did happen and the K boat won. :cool

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=26646&d=1385584637

That was Sanger's first Blown Fuel Hydro and it didn't survive long.

[Sharp shooter]

Bluewater 1967

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'77
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Wilt Chamberlin taking delivery of his Miller flatbottom.

http://johnmillerboats.com/millerboat_1967.jpg

[HotWater]

UNLIMITED HYDRO VS K BOAT This did happen and the K boat won. :cool

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That's a cool K boat!

[Sharp shooter]

That's a cool K boat!

It might be yours. It's hard to tell from the pic. :cool

[westair]

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I see an Elsinore 250 enduro is on the schedule for next year ..... what classes would this include?

[HotWater]

It might be yours. It's hard to tell from the pic. :cool

I love the paint jobs of the Biesemeyer and first Revenge Epidemic boats.

[Sharp shooter]

I love the paint jobs of the Biesemeyer and first Revenge Epidemic boats.

I'm with you on that!

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/GoettleB.jpg

[gn7]

I see an Elsinore 250 enduro is on the schedule for next year ..... what classes would this include?
tentative would be the best description for that race date.
The boats would be no different than those that ran the Parker Enduro. There are no real "class" names for them. Just divided into divisions based on engine size, hull types and drive system, inboard and outboard.

[westair]

tentative would be the best description for that race date.
The boats would be no different than those that ran the Parker Enduro. There are no real "class" names for them. Just divided into divisions based on engine size, hull types and drive system, inboard and outboard.

thanks, I know very little about the enduro's and what I do know was pretty much from reading about this years parker race....... really liking all the history here about em. I'm pretty close to Elsinore so hopefully it happens.

[Sharp shooter]

As a kid watching boat races at Long Beach Marine Stadium, I remember how scary a boat flip was. I'll never forget the carcasses they pulled from the water on the hook of the crane. Gave me the heebeegeebees. :D

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[Sharp shooter]

I've never seen one of these in person.

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[Sharp shooter]

A little love for outboards. :) 1960

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[Sharp shooter]

And a little older....

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[gn7]

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What's amazing Bob is, my copy of that august 61 powerboat mag has the same orange line running down the front. :D That had to be a rough landing....

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/pb_2.jpg

[gn7]

Actually Jerry, I think that's a saved pic from one of your posts on HB.
There was a boat at Johnnie Witsett's shop that was a dead ringer for that boat on the cover. I always wondered it was the same boat.

[Sharp shooter]

Actually Jerry, I think that's a saved pic from one of your posts on HB.
There was a boat at Johnnie Witsett's shop that was a dead ringer for that boat on the cover. I always wondered it was the same boat.

That makes sense.

1960

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[gn7]

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1926 Peugeot
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[gn7]

What made the old enduros like the Parker 9hr, Elsinore 500, and Salton Sea 500 so cool. One of the most successful inboards and the outboards side by side.

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[westair]

As a kid watching boat races at Long Beach Marine Stadium, I remember how scary a boat flip was. I'll never forget the carcasses they pulled from the water on the hook of the crane. Gave me the heebeegeebees. :D

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wow ..... never seen that pic before! .... I think that was probably the last red one before they went to the new colors.

[RVR SWPR]

:thumbsUp:

[Sharp shooter]

Hey Bob, this looks similar to Whiskers.

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http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=57963&stc=1&d=1256583730

[Sharp shooter]

Some of the many hydro classes we used to see at Long Beach.

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[Sharp shooter]

The ramp.
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[Sharp shooter]

yikes!
http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/barron_ad_1967.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

lol!!

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/corvair_OB.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

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Don Towle/Edelbrock SK "half fast"
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[314joey]

Going for a ride !!!!!!!!!!

[Sharp shooter]

Thanks for contributing Joey! That boat looks like a miniature S.S. Minow. lol

Hey Bob, I've never seen that Lavey ad before. Good stuff!!!!

[hbchgirl]

Going for a ride !!!!!!!!!!

Love it! What a cute boat!!!

[314joey]

Does anyone think that boat or the people on it are Coast Guard approved...................lol..........funny how things have changed.

[Sharp shooter]

Does anyone think that boat or the people on it are Coast Guard approved...................lol..........funny how things have changed.

Yes, things have definitely changed and in many ways not for the better. imho. :)

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/Jet_ads_002.jpg

This is actually an 80's ad.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/Jet_ads.jpg

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[westair]

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Hard to beat this setup:biggrin: ...... I'll bet this ad sold a few!

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Schulte_4.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Grich_069.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Hobbit_wreck.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Grich_032.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Grich_036.jpg

[2manymustangs]

lol!!

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/corvair_OB.jpg

Funny picture SS, I was just looking at a corvair two days ago and telling a story on my old boss...

He said that when he was in high school he would fill the front end of his corvair with ice/beer like a giant cooler, he said there were drain holes so he could reach in and drain the wata... :)

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17288&stc=1&d=1185288448

[314joey]

Funny picture SS, I was just looking at a corvair two days ago and telling a story on my old boss...

He said that when he was in high school he would fill the front end of his corvair with ice/beer like a giant cooler, he said there were drain holes so he could reach in and drain the wata... :)


Cool story

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/The_Crucifier.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

:D

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/sissy_do.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.morocz.com/posts/table_boat.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Boating_News_August_63.jpg

[gn7]

So how many old mags do you have address to Chuck Stearns?
I have more than a few addresses to Rudy.

[Sharp shooter]

So how many old mags do you have address to Chuck Stearns?
I have more than a few addresses to Rudy.

Good eye Bob!
Quite a few actually. :) I think it bumps the value of the magazines significantly as wood Rudy's addy.