The really "Old School" boating thread

[GotHalos]

Great stuff :thumbup:

[gn7]

Mike Wallace. Winner of the Orange Bowl 9hr, Parker 9hr, and 1962 Salton Sea 500 among many others 1963 marathon champion, and one of the all time winningest marathon drivers.

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Bob Nordskog and the Viking Spirit winner of the 1966 Orange Bowl 250 and the 1966 Houston 250, 1966 Marathon champion
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[Sharp shooter]

Bob, I wonder how much fuel Mike Wallace is carrying...?

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/1966_Enduro.jpg

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/old_boat_ads_022.jpg

[westair]

Looks like a good payout for the 1966 enduro.

[Sharp shooter]

Looks like a good payout for the 1966 enduro.

Yep! Especially for '66.

King Gordy back in the day.
http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/111.jpg

[RyanPartridge]

Oct 1965. Tony Maricich driving Bill Dunsmore's "Suddenly!"

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[Sharp shooter]

Some real muscle. lol

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[314joey]

The speedos are killing me.................lol

[Skyskier]

This is a "flyer" from a fundraiser put on by "The Marine Stadium Leech Club", after Danny's crash at long Beach. This was a group of ragtag, hoodlum type, misfit ski bums, ......Mike Murphy, Gary Covert, Gary McIntyre, David Lester, Rick & Randy Cowles, Mike & Kelly Harker, myself and a lot more guy's whose names escape me right now . We ARE ALL friends of Danny's
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[WMC]

I think someone found some old school



sent from WMC's phone

[RyanPartridge]

Speaking of the Leech Club...

Here ya go...

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[Sharp shooter]

I think someone found some old school



Nice ski boat. :)

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=26978&stc=1&d=1386105733

[Sharp shooter]

Speaking of the Leech Club...

Here ya go...
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=26979&d=1386105831

That's pretty cool!!!

[Sharp shooter]

1976

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Early deck boat :D
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[WMC]

Very cool stuff in this thread.



sent from WMC's phone

[2manymustangs]

Oct 1965. Tony Maricich driving Bill Dunsmore's "Suddenly!"

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Hey there, welcome sir :) nice posts...

[westair]

1976

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As you probably already know I just happen to be there that day:biggrin: ....and I remember him saying something completely different right after the run! here's from Mary's website:




However, the highlight most remember was In 1975 when the most famous race car driver in the world literally put his life in the hands of a woman. At the Long Beach Marine Stadium, Mario Andretti climbed into a Jerry-rigged second seat in Mary's Blown Fuel Hydro and let the queen of boat racing take him for a 160+ MPH pass on the water. When it was all said and done a gracious Andretti thanked Mary and said he'd NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!

[Sharp shooter]

As you probably already know I just happen to be there that day:biggrin: ....and I remember him saying something completely different right after the run! here's from Mary's website:




However, the highlight most remember was In 1975 when the most famous race car driver in the world literally put his life in the hands of a woman. At the Long Beach Marine Stadium, Mario Andretti climbed into a Jerry-rigged second seat in Mary's Blown Fuel Hydro and let the queen of boat racing take him for a 160+ MPH pass on the water. When it was all said and done a gracious Andretti thanked Mary and said he'd NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!

Yeah I've read that account as well. :D

[314joey]

A Glastron was the boat to have back in the day at LOTO

[Sharp shooter]

Good one Joey. :)

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[Skyskier]

Anybody else at LBMS the day Don Prudome took his one & only ride in a dragboat ?

[Sharp shooter]

Anybody else at LBMS the day Don Prudome took his one & only ride in a dragboat ?

Now that you mention it, I think Don was the guy that said he wouldn't do it again. :D Did he flip?

Who remembers Dan Pastorini's drag boat career? He raced a Jetboat.

[Sharp shooter]

I'm sure some of you remember this. I was pretty young, but I remember it. Hey Bob (GN-7), this one is addressed to Del St. John. :cool

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[gn7]

Now that you mention it, I think Don was the guy that said he wouldn't do it again. :D Did he flip?

Who remembers Dan Pastorini's drag boat career? He raced a Jetboat.

Oh yeah, Don crashed Andre Maddox's Citation big time, and that's exactly what he said after words.

http://image.hotrod.com/f/thehistoryof/hrdp_1009_don_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag_racer/30216163/hrdp_1010_09_o%2Bdon_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag _racer%2Bracing_a_speed_boat.jpg

Pastorini drove fuel dragster too.

http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/var/resizes/Automobiles/Dan%20Pastorini%20in%20his%20dragster%20at%20the%2 0pits%201.jpg?m=1323644391

[Sharp shooter]

Oh yeah, Don crashed Andre Maddox's Citation big time, and that's exactly what he said after words.

http://image.hotrod.com/f/thehistoryof/hrdp_1009_don_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag_racer/30216163/hrdp_1010_09_o%2Bdon_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag _racer%2Bracing_a_speed_boat.jpg

Pastorini drove fuel dragster too.

http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/var/resizes/Automobiles/Dan%20Pastorini%20in%20his%20dragster%20at%20the%2 0pits%201.jpg?m=1323644391

I have a few cobwebs in my belfry, but thanks for jarring them free. :D

[Skyskier]

Oh yeah, Don crashed Andre Maddox's Citation big time, and that's exactly what he said after words.

http://image.hotrod.com/f/thehistoryof/hrdp_1009_don_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag_racer/30216163/hrdp_1010_09_o%2Bdon_prudhomme_legendary_nhra_drag _racer%2Bracing_a_speed_boat.jpg

Pastorini drove fuel dragster too.

http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/var/resizes/Automobiles/Dan%20Pastorini%20in%20his%20dragster%20at%20the%2 0pits%201.jpg?m=1323644391

I was there that day with my Pop's, he was running his "Bunky" boat in the drags,............the story I heard went something like this :...........Don was getting some last minute "advice" on the ramp just as the crew was pushing him off the trailer, Prudhome asked "what do I do if it get's "squirley" ? somebody told him to "just stick your foot in it, it'll straighten itself out: :happy: and THAT's exactly what he did ! the bow kept going up, up & up, he never did lift off the gas just kept it WOT till he went all the way over :shock:

[gn7]

Bob and Tom Patterson's "Supercinders"
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[Sharp shooter]

One of my all time favorites Bob.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/super_cinders.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

Powerboat Magazine November 1970
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[Sharp shooter]

1970

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[Sharp shooter]

Hey Jerry, since you're laid with nothing to do, maybe you could do me a favor, please. Around the year 2000??, there was a boat in Hot Boat magazine, a 19' Nordic pickle fork outboard. It's white with green flames and gunship metal plating with rivets painted all over the thing and all the aluminum was anodized a pewter color. I made all the machined hardware for that thing less the Dana trim plates. I've been looking for pictures of it and a few others I did way back then and I can't find shit. I know it was in Hot Boat but I'm not sure when. Do you think you could find that thing? Thanks.

Oh, and sorry this has nothing to do with old school boating.

Sure, I'll see what I can do.

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Elsinore 73

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[Sharp shooter]

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1975
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[gn7]

Ferrari powered hydro
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[Sharp shooter]

That G-5 pic is cool!!!

Here's a little more on Machine Gun Kelly's ride.

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[gn7]

Some great shots of the Late Great Bill Muncey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjlChRjQNsI

[GotHalos]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/06/e2uda6u3.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)

[gn7]

Ever seen the movie "Madison"? Well this is the actual race that movie was based on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDebJ2VJs0

[westair]

Some great shots of the Late Great Bill Muncey.


Nice video ..... they were a lot cooler with the airplanes engines, with the turbines not so much ..... seen them run in SD

[westair]

That G-5 pic is cool!!!

Here's a little more on Machine Gun Kelly's ride.


He must have been involved in racing some way to want to ride in a TFH ...... or he was insane like Hyder said

[Sharp shooter]

He must have been involved in racing some way to want to ride in a TFH ...... or he was insane like Hyder said

Maybe he became interested after doing all those radio ads...? The stadium races were a big deal back then (as you know). :)


Hey Graeff, good stuff! I've loved the thunderboats since I was little and still enjoy (a little less) the new UH's. Any true fan of bat racing bought the Madison movie shortly after it became available. :cool

[Sharp shooter]

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Miss_America_X.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcPYzUDrpUM

[WESTERNAERO]

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Miss_America_X.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcPYzUDrpUM

Wow, that thing was bitchin.

[gn7]

You have to love it. 6400 HP and it barley broke 100MPH. Not exactly the most efficient hull design. :shock:

[GotHalos]

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Miss_America_X.jpeg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcPYzUDrpUM

Wow! 6,400 HP :schreck:

[gn7]

Ole Gar Woods was THEE MAN!!

http://woodyboater.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Gar-Orlin-Miss-America-IX-circa-1930.jpg

http://woodyboater.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yachting-Magazine-1929-11.jpg

[gn7]

Pretty cool video on the Miss America VIII
Same boat as the twin engine post above, except when it was fitted with Miller V16s for the world speed record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArx9xKLWo0


http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/gar-woods-miss-america-viii-race-boat-image-mecum-auctions_100375565_l.jpg
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/gar-woods-miss-america-viii-race-boat-image-mecum-auctions_100375566_l.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

You gonna bid on it Bob? :D

[Sharp shooter]

The music maker!

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[2manymustangs]

Ever seen the movie "Madison"? Well this is the actual race that movie was based on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDebJ2VJs0

Duly noted, 1000 lbs heavier??? :wtf:

[gn7]

Duly noted, 1000 lbs heavier??? :wtf:

Much of that was the difference between a Allison and a RR GRIFFON not a RR Merlin. 2240 cid verses 1710

Interestingly, in the REAL race, the Miss Madison leads the race almost from the start. In the movie he wins on the last straightaway with the use of a shot "naaws" in the last seconds.
Also, in the movie, he beats the Miss Bud, in reality it was the Atlas Van Lines that was running 2nd.
Dramatic artistic license:action-smiley-069:

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Comp_skiapril77.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_017.jpg
http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_018.jpg

[Wheeler]

What kind of injector is that Denny?



Is this the injector in question?

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[Sharp shooter]

Is this the injector in question?



Looks like the road warrior hat although that one is fake. Thanks!

[Wheeler]

I had a nice visit with Barry Mc Gowan today. :action-smiley-035:

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[Wheeler]

I have of the first Woodpecker running a Hot Boat race at Long Beach. Can't imagine try trying to corner one of those with that bottom.



Here's an old 8mm clip SkySkier posted a couple ago. Maybe he has more footage laying about the house.


I have a few 8mm films from Ski Land that I need to go through when I get the time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasyO76evAI

[Sharp shooter]

Here's an old 8mm clip SkySkier posted a couple ago. Maybe he has more footage laying about the house.


I have a few 8mm films from Ski Land that I need to go through when I get the time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasyO76evAI

Awesome!!

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/b/v-drive_ads_076.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_3_008.jpg

[westair]

I had a nice visit with Barry Mc Gowan today. :action-smiley-035:


Beautiful boat ..... didn't realize they were running speeds like 161 mph in 1963 .... have my google working overtime here with all this boat history:biggrin:
...does this boat still exist?

[gn7]

Beautiful boat ..... didn't realize they were running speeds like 161 mph in 1963 .... have my google working overtime here with all this boat history:biggrin:
...does Barry still have this boat?

There were 2 boats during that period that ran right at 160. Barry's Banzai, and Rudy Ramos' Golden Thing. Both powered by Keith Black hemis.

The original Banzai is gone, but Harlin Orrin built a replica and its on the list of projects of Dave Sammons. Money is kind of an issue with the project right now.

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[2manymustangs]

I had a nice visit with Barry Mc Gowan today. :action-smiley-035:

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How is Mr. McGowan doing these days, it's been about two years since I saw him last and he was on crutches at that time if my memory is right...

[Sharp shooter]

'77
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Hey Bob, what was different about this bottom?

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[gn7]

Hey Bob, what was different about this bottom?

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I know this will sound like I am dodging the bullet, but the "name" cracks me up. Tell me what you see when you look at that "thing" that's over the part about Duff setting a new kilo record in the ad. May seem strange to you, but if you can see what that is, then the bottom might be easier to explain.

Some of the stuff Rudy came up with makes me laugh. Ever seen the ad where he claims the 17 1/2 ft SK hull has a "funny bottom"? The thing had an entry that was a freekin gull and it was a air trapping sumbitch. You can kind of make it out in the boat in the ad.

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[Jet Mad]

Some Hamilton Jet History

[Sharp shooter]

I know this will sound like I am dodging the bullet, but the "name" cracks me up. Tell me what you see when you look at that "thing" that's over the part about Duff setting a new kilo record in the ad. May seem strange to you, but if you can see what that is, then the bottom might be easier to explain.

The "thing" looks like a 3 dimensional arrow pointing down at the paragraph as part of the ad. So what is this Paralex bottom and how is it different to the earlier models?

[HB Vic]

Some Hamilton Jet History

Welcome to www.hotboat.com (http://www.hotboat.com) !!

[gn7]

The "thing" looks like a 3 dimensional arrow pointing down at the paragraph as part of the ad. So what is this Paralex bottom and how is it different to the earlier models?

That's exactly what that is. Its also somewhat a play on the word Paralax, which is "mis-spelled" in the ad, I think deliberately. A parallax is a visual miss que. or error or you could call it an optical illusion. A true parallax has to do with viewed angle, like looking at a gauge and seeing one reading, then looking at the gauge from a different angle and seeing a different reading. That's parallax error.

On the original 20 ft bottom, it was really nothing more than the 20 v from the Allison boat with strakes.
Later the bottom was changed, I am guessing 1975, but I thought it was before that.

Heres what I THINK Rudy was playing on.
When you first look at the bottom, 99% of the people still see a V with strakes. Its not. Its 2 distinctly different Vs But its all in the view of the bottom. From the side it looks like a V with 2 strakes per side. From dead on in the front, if you look real close, the 2 inner strakes form a double concave ski effect, and the outer strakes are in actuality a different "layer" on a different V angle than the very outside from the outer strake to the chine. Imagine a standard V with nothing more than strakes. The Rayson bottom is really different layers and different angles, that in effect create the strakes.
Plus, in all of this, there is the double "concave" of the center, and from the outer strake towards the keel there is a slight concave as well.
THEN, if that wasn't enough, it all goes away as it goes under the boat, until its just a standard V somewhere around the dash, except the double concave created by the center strakes. That's why they can ride the keel like you see in my avatar on PB.

Its all hard to explain, but the next time you see a 20 on a trailer, take a hard look at it from dead on from the front, and look hard at what you are seeing.

Very few V bottoms have a bottom as complex as a 20ft GN. In my mind, the bottom of the 20 and 21 are sheer genius, and are amazingly tunable with slight changes to the length of the strakes at the rear for differing HP levels and speed.

[gn7]

Not the easies thing to see even with pictures, but what at first appears to be a V with strakes is really 3 layers from the inside strakes, to the outer chine, all on different angles. Looking at the second picture you can make out the concave between the inner and outer strakes towards the front, but this disappears as it goes back. I think due to the rules regarding concavity a given distance from the transom, or once the chine runs parallel with the water line.
The angles of the bow area get flatter as you go out from the keel. It makes the nose very difficult to stuff. Deeper it gets in the water, the flatter the surface gets.

Its all optical. What looks like simple strakes are actually layers creating strakes and concaves. But you have to view it at the right angle to see it.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/autobody9/pillowblocks020.jpg?t=1215019804
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/autobody9/pillowblocks021.jpg?t=1215019839

Looking at it from this angle, it all looks perfectly normal. Look at it from dead on from the front, and its completely different.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/autobody9/pillowblocks027.jpg?t=1215119567

[Jet Mad]

Thanks Hotboat, a couple of the members here looks familiar, happy to be here.

[Sharp shooter]

Not the easies thing to see even with pictures, but what at first appears to be a V with strakes is really 3 layers from the inside strakes, to the outer chine, all on different angles. Looking at the second picture you can make out the concave between the inner and outer strakes towards the front, but this disappears as it goes back. I think due to the rules regarding concavity a given distance from the transom, or once the chine runs parallel with the water line.
The angles of the bow area get flatter as you go out from the keel. It makes the nose very difficult to stuff. Deeper it gets in the water, the flatter the surface gets.

Its all optical. What looks like simple strakes are actually layers creating strakes and concaves. But you have to view it at the right angle to see it.

Looking at it from this angle, it all looks perfectly normal. Look at it from dead on from the front, and its completely different.


Thanks for the detailed explanation. So the earlier hulls didn't have the varying v angles...?

[Sharp shooter]

'68

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[gn7]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. So the earlier hulls didn't have the varying v angles...?

That's the part that has me a little confused. I have never seen a 20ft that early. I know he made some changes at the same time he tooled the 21, but not all that certain what all the changes were. The whole ad makes me go MMMMmmm.
He did come up with some interesting ads.

[Sharp shooter]

That's the part that has me a little confused. I have never seen a 20ft that early. I know he made some changes at the same time he tooled the 21, but not all that certain what all the changes were. The whole ad makes me go MMMMmmm.
He did come up with some interesting ads.

He sure did. lol And he advertised everywhere!

[Sharp shooter]

Kind of ridiculous, but paper dolls were kind of a fad back then. 1966

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[Wheeler]

How is Mr. McGowan doing these days, it's been about two years since I saw him last and he was on crutches at that time if my memory is right...

He appears to be well, full of energy and no crutches.
Sammons is trying to get Barry to spend more time in Parker. :thumbsUp:

[westair]

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pic from AZOutlaw

[Sharp shooter]

What was this SK class? looks like it was pretty big back in the 70's ...... a lot of different types of boats running in it.28037

pic from AZOutlaw

There were a lot of different types of hulls in all the sprint classes back in the early 70's. SK was short for ski (boat) and they were originally limited to 400 inches. They did allow for a little bit bigger engines just before the class disappeared around 1980.

From a Marine Stadium race program 1972
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[GotHalos]

Kind of ridiculous, but paper dolls were kind of a fad back then. 1966

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Lol, that's pretty cool.

[gn7]

What was this SK class? looks like it was pretty big back in the 70's ...... a lot of different types of boats running in it.

pic from AZOutlaw

Basically like Shooter said, it was an unlimited modification N/A 400 inch class, Later they raised it to match the SS class which had very limited modifications at the time. Eventually SK became Pro Comp, then Pro Stock with 500 inch limit.

[westair]

There were a lot of different types of hulls in all the sprint classes back in the early 70's. SK was short for ski (boat) and they were originally limited to 400 inches. They did allow for a little bit bigger engines just before the class disappeared around 1980.

Lot of different hulls but still all chev power I see.... sure wish I would have known about the circle boats back then, lot of competition and no shortage of boats it seems.


Basically like Shooter said, it was an unlimited modification N/A 400 inch class, Later they raised it to match the SS class which had very limited modifications at the time. Eventually SK became Pro Comp, then Pro Stock with 500 inch limit.
So were these small blocks when it first started ..... what speeds, 100mph+? ..... now I see what the PC boats are also, thanks

[RyanPartridge]

So were these small blocks when it first started ..... what speeds, 100mph+? ..... now I see what the PC boats are also, thanks

I posted this article several pages back, in late 1965 the winning SK boat was running a Chevy 396 with speeds around 83 mph.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?3449-The-really-quot-Old-School-quot-boating-thread&p=63880&viewfull=1#post63880

[RyanPartridge]

Also, according to the old timers I've talked with, the SK class required the boat ran a fixed cav plate. It could have an adjustable locking handle that you could set and leave be, no override pedal allowed.

It looks like in the 1972 deal that Shooter posted they just started to let them adjust the plates while running. Very cool info...

[Sharp shooter]

Also, according to the old timers I've talked with, the SK class required the boat ran a fixed cav plate. It could have an adjustable locking handle that you could set and leave be, no override pedal allowed.

It looks like in the 1972 deal that Shooter posted they just started to let them adjust the plates while running. Very cool info...

I was going to say, for the sake of safety alone, I would be surprised if they hadn't adopted the pedal override by the early to mid 70's.

[westair]

I posted this article several pages back, in late 1965 the winning SK boat was running a Chevy 396 with speeds around 83 mph.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?3449-The-really-quot-Old-School-quot-boating-thread&p=63880&viewfull=1#post63880

Just read it, thanks ..... these boats go way back, 1959! ...... I think small block under 400 inch, forgot about the 396:biggrin:

[RyanPartridge]

There were a lot of different types of hulls in all the sprint classes back in the early 70's. SK was short for ski (boat) and they were originally limited to 400 inches. They did allow for a little bit bigger engines just before the class disappeared around 1980.

From a Marine Stadium race program 1972
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28038


Very cool stuff here, thanks for posting this Jerry.

Cool to know that Jack Pelican was still racing Checkmate SK-26 in 1972. Also looks like Ron O'Brien's King Me SK-38 was 2nd for points in 1971.

[Sharp shooter]

Very cool stuff here, thanks for posting this Jerry.

Cool to know that Jack Pelican was still racing Checkmate SK-26 in 1972. Also looks like Ron O'Brien's King Me SK-38 was 2nd for points in 1971.

My pleasure Ryan.

Yeah, I think the Schiada's were the boat to beat late 60's and into the early 70's. :cool

[gn7]

Just read it, thanks ..... these boats go way back, 1959! ...... I think small block under 400 inch, forgot about the 396:biggrin:

The class was started with the advent of the v drive flat that had taken over ski racing. Like Shooter already said, SK was the designation for SKI boat. By 1958 the design was selling extremely well and was the boat type of choice in ski racing. Prior to the v drive flat, race boats were direct drive cracker, hydros, and service type boats like a Chris Craft type hull.

The first SKs were dominated by the 392 Chrysler Hemi usually with six 2 bbl carbs. Few used 389 Pontiacs and 394 Olds, and a few 390 Fords, but the Hemi was king. Then in 1965 the BBC 396 won and the switch to Chevy began.

The hemis won a lot of the first marathon races, todays GN, starting with the 1959 Orange Bowl 9 hour in Florida, and the first Salton Sea in 1961. But by 1963 the Ford FE 406 and 427 took over and lasted well into the 70s.

SK was the first v drive flat bottom class in APBA, all the others stemmed from the SK class, with different engine sizes and specs.

[RyanPartridge]

Thanks for all that history Bob! Much appreciated!



My pleasure Ryan.

Yeah, I think the Schiada's were the boat to beat late 60's and into the early 70's. :cool

On that note...I'll keep this thread going with some of Leonard's old sleds... :thumbup:

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[Sharp shooter]

Thanks Ryan!!:cool

Here's the list of SK entries from a Marine Stadium race in 1964.
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[Sharp shooter]

1965

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[RyanPartridge]

Thanks Ryan!!:cool

Here's the list of SK entries from a Marine Stadium race in 1964.
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Too bad that one doesn't list hull types. I wonder what Al Grundstrom's Jiffy was in 1964...

In my last post there's photos of Jiffy in the later 60's racing Super Stock with the number SS-4 but that hull wasn't around in 64.

[Wendi]

Wow SS you have some really cool old stuff I really enjoy looking in this thread!!!

[Sharp shooter]

Early Eliminator brochure

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[gn7]

Too bad that one doesn't list hull types. I wonder what Al Grundstrom's Jiffy was in 1964...

In my last post there's photos of Jiffy in the later 60's racing Super Stock with the number SS-4 but that hull wasn't around in 64.

I help with what I know. Haf gast Too was a Stevens with a Vic Edelbrock built Hemi, Cream Puff was a Rayson with a Keith Black built Hemi, Honker was a Rayson, Volks Wagen was probably a Wickens, although it is possible it was a Aqua Craft, Charger was a Rayson(Dick Jones was the head tech guy for Champion plugs), Maricich's Suddenly was a Hemi powered Patterson, (was a 396 chevy by October of 1964), Penhalls Sizzler was a Hemi powered Patterson, pretty sure Sigalos' Sinner was a Hemi powered Patterson as well. He and Penhall were best friends. They both died in Sigalos plane flying home from Tahoe. Bruce Penhall and Dennis Sigalos were best friends as well and teamed up in the Ocean Spray Offshore boat.
Shreenan's Conquisttador was Rayson with a Hemi, Len Shreenan was my dads boss from about 1957 thru 1970. He owned Schiadas later.
Lou Brummett was in a Mandella, probably hemi powered, or a destroked 427 Ford.

PS I believe Haf Gast won that race for the second year in a row. Suddenly won the Nationals in October with a Dunsmore built 396 Chevy.
the rest I am clueless. Its kind of tricky due the year and even the class. Tony Maricich used a Keith Black Hemi in a Howard for the SS class called Super Suddenly the following year.

[Sharp shooter]

Wow SS you have some really cool old stuff I really enjoy looking in this thread!!!

Well in that case, I'll keep her goin. :D
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[Sharp shooter]

For stainless.:D

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/cuppy_zpse9a395f9.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/cuppy_zpse9a395f9.jpg.html)

[Sharp shooter]

Pretty cool!

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[gn7]

Cool article Shooter. I believe the first Loudinboomer was a Mandella with a 392 Hemi and the long ass Morse dry stacks. Those tri Y headers made more power, but they don't live up to the name like the Morse dry stacks did. :action-smiley-069:

[2manymustangs]

Well in that case, I'll keep her goin. :D
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Hey Jerry, FOR Wendi... DO you have the cool photo of the vintage lady with the bee hive hairdoo sitting in/on the hydro, might have been a shovel nose hydro... Floating in pretty water in a cove???

I think Wendi would look good with a retro BEE HIVE hairdoo... I recall Billy commenting on how much he liked the picture years ago... Sound familiar??? I saved it but who knows where it is, you are obviously far more organized than me...

[gn7]

Hey Jerry, FOR Wendi... DO you have the cool photo of the vintage lady with the bee hive hairdoo sitting in/on the hydro, might have been a shovel nose hydro... Floating in pretty water in a cove???

I think Wendi would look good with a retro BEE HIVE hairdoo... I recall Billy commenting on how much he liked the picture years ago... Sound familiar??? I saved it but who knows where it is, you are obviously far more organized than me...
I'll dig up a couple. One with Tony Maricich and Howard Brown with their wifes. Its priceless. Another of a Mandella SK with a de stroked 427 Ford. The womens hair and cloths and bikinis really tell you about the times. Good stuff.

[2manymustangs]

I'll dig up a couple. One with Tony Maricich and Howard Brown with their wifes. Its priceless. Another of a Mandella SK with a de stroked 427 Ford. The womens hair and cloths and bikinis really tell you about the times. Good stuff.

I really dig the retro NATURAL look !!!

[RyanPartridge]

I help with what I know. Haf gast Too was a Stevens with a Vic Edelbrock built Hemi, Cream Puff was a Rayson with a Keith Black built Hemi, Honker was a Rayson, Volks Wagen was probably a Wickens, although it is possible it was a Aqua Craft, Charger was a Rayson(Dick Jones was the head tech guy for Champion plugs), Maricich's Suddenly was a Hemi powered Patterson, (was a 396 chevy by October of 1964), Penhalls Sizzler was a Hemi powered Patterson, pretty sure Sigalos' Sinner was a Hemi powered Patterson as well. He and Penhall were best friends. They both died in Sigalos plane flying home from Tahoe. Bruce Penhall and Dennis Sigalos were best friends as well and teamed up in the Ocean Spray Offshore boat.
Shreenan's Conquisttador was Rayson with a Hemi, Len Shreenan was my dads boss from about 1957 thru 1970. He owned Schiadas later.
Lou Brummett was in a Mandella, probably hemi powered, or a destroked 427 Ford.

PS I believe Haf Gast won that race for the second year in a row. Suddenly won the Nationals in October with a Dunsmore built 396 Chevy.
the rest I am clueless. Its kind of tricky due the year and even the class. Tony Maricich used a Keith Black Hemi in a Howard for the SS class called Super Suddenly the following year.

Baddass! Thanks Bob!

I've got pics of Super Suddenly getting lettered I'll look for...

[RyanPartridge]

Suddenly, Super Suddenly...along with Your Move, Shockwave, I think that's Ron Woodruff's Psychedelic in the top right corner...I'm sure Bob knows the rest...

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[RyanPartridge]

Someone say BeeHive?



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[RyanPartridge]

My neighbor Tom Mosher with his wife(at the time) at Golden Ave in Long Beach, 1968.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Gobotts/001_1-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gobotts/media/001_1-1.jpg.html)

Racing the same boat...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Gobotts/sc0118d411-2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gobotts/media/sc0118d411-2.jpg.html)

[2manymustangs]

My neighbor Tom Mosher with his wife(at the time) at Golden Ave in Long Beach, 1968.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Gobotts/001_1-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gobotts/media/001_1-1.jpg.html)

Racing the same boat...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Gobotts/sc0118d411-2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gobotts/media/sc0118d411-2.jpg.html)

Thanks for the cool SS pics sir :)

THe I think the attachment is missing on this post, maybe? Im not seeing it yet... lemme refresh...

[Sharp shooter]

Suddenly, Super Suddenly...along with Your Move, Shockwave, I think that's Ron Woodruff's Psychedelic in the top right corner...I'm sure Bob knows the rest...http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28101&d=1386861505

Bob can tell us what jets everyone's running, how cold the water is and it wouldn't surprise me if he knows how many rocks are lining the far shore. :D

[RyanPartridge]

Bob can tell us what jets everyone's running, how cold the water is and it wouldn't surprise me if he knows how many rocks are lining the far shore. :D

I don't doubt it...

[westair]

My neighbor Tom Mosher with his wife(at the time) at Golden Ave in Long Beach, 1968.

Racing the same boat...



That is a cool pic!! ...especially along with the flyer of him racing it!

[westair]

I help with what I know. Haf gast Too was a Stevens with a Vic Edelbrock built Hemi, Cream Puff was a Rayson with a Keith Black built Hemi, Honker was a Rayson, Volks Wagen was probably a Wickens, although it is possible it was a Aqua Craft, Charger was a Rayson(Dick Jones was the head tech guy for Champion plugs), Maricich's Suddenly was a Hemi powered Patterson, (was a 396 chevy by October of 1964), Penhalls Sizzler was a Hemi powered Patterson, pretty sure Sigalos' Sinner was a Hemi powered Patterson as well. He and Penhall were best friends. They both died in Sigalos plane flying home from Tahoe. Bruce Penhall and Dennis Sigalos were best friends as well and teamed up in the Ocean Spray Offshore boat.
Shreenan's Conquisttador was Rayson with a Hemi, Len Shreenan was my dads boss from about 1957 thru 1970. He owned Schiadas later.
Lou Brummett was in a Mandella, probably hemi powered, or a destroked 427 Ford.

PS I believe Haf Gast won that race for the second year in a row. Suddenly won the Nationals in October with a Dunsmore built 396 Chevy.
the rest I am clueless. Its kind of tricky due the year and even the class. Tony Maricich used a Keith Black Hemi in a Howard for the SS class called Super Suddenly the following year.

Interesting about the Penhalls racing boats, but I guess Leroy used to race just about everything. I've seen Bruce many times racing his speedway bikes ...... he was the king of orange county, what a life but also lot of tragedy!

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/G2_003.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/G2_004.jpg

[gn7]

Bob can tell us what jets everyone's running, how cold the water is and it wouldn't surprise me if he knows how many rocks are lining the far shore. :D

Smart ass:D You should talk. You know more than most people twice your age that were actually back there then.

[gn7]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/G2_004.jpg

Thats a great pic Shooter. Cross Ram Hemi, couple of Wings, a twin outboard, station wagen launch, fuel rigs. Picture has it all

[Wendi]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/G2_003.jpg
Cool pic! What year?

[Sharp shooter]

Smart ass:D You should talk. You know more than most people twice your age that were actually back there then.

Hahaha!! I remember watching the Switzers in Parker while looking down on them from whatever hill my dad had us perched on and I had to be as young as 3 or 4. I also remember Julian racing Gordy's dad when I had to have been 5 to 7 years old. Anything before March 1967 I wasn't there. :D


Thats a great pic Shooter. Cross Ram Hemi, couple of Wings, a twin outboard, station wagen launch, fuel rigs. Picture has it all

That's one of this guys pictures. :)

I still can't believe he let me pillage his photo books! :partyguy:

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Grich_060.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

Cool pic! What year?

I can only guess Wendy because that is another one from Paul Grichar's photo album. I would guess close to '65. I think that's Campbell Carl in the green boat. :D

[gn7]

Hahaha!! I remember watching the Switzers in Parker while looking down on them from whatever hill my dad had us perched on and I had to be as young as 3 or 4. I also remember Julian racing Gordy's dad when I had to have been 5 to 7 years old. Anything before March 1967 I wasn't there. :D



That's one of this guys pictures. :)

I still can't believe he let me pillage his photo books! :partyguy:


Damn, that has to be a computer colorized picture that you photo shopped the boats into. He wasn't that young when he defected Nazi Germany.

I can only guess Wendy because that is another one from Paul Grichar's photo album. I would guess close to '65. I think that's Campbell Carl in the green boat. :D

I am guessing 64-65 based on the APBA approved ballistic shorts:wink:

[Wendi]

I can only guess Wendy because that is another one from Paul Grichar's photo album. I would guess close to '65. I think that's Campbell Carl in the green boat. :D
haha at least the boat matches his "Old School" motorhome LOL j/k:shhh:

[Sharp shooter]

haha at least the boat matches his "Old School" motorhome LOL j/k:shhh:

lol :D

[Sharp shooter]

All '66

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[CampbellCarl]

haha at least the boat matches his "Old School" motorhome LOL j/k:shhh:


Were you recently promoted by HotBoat to Membership Vice President in charge of insulting and pissing off members? If so, good job!

Taking a shot like that is rude, crude and completely out of line. I don't think I've seen you anywhere in your motorhome....or did you and William buy partnership into Vic's rig?

[Wendi]

Were you recently promoted by HotBoat to Membership Vice President in charge of insulting and pissing off members? If so, good job!

Taking a shot like that is rude, crude and completely out of line. I don't think I've seen you anywhere in your motorhome....or did you and William buy partnership into Vic's rig?

Campbell Carl I'm so sorry it was said in jest. I don't have a motorhome and wish I did. You definitely have something better than me. Please accept my apology. Wendi

[WMC]

Were you recently promoted by HotBoat to Membership Vice President in charge of insulting and pissing off members? If so, good job!

Taking a shot like that is rude, crude and completely out of line. I don't think I've seen you anywhere in your motorhome....or did you and William buy partnership into Vic's rig?

Really:banghead:



sent from WMC's phone

[HB Vic]

Have you seen what I did to my rig? It's all screwed up now lol 28168

[WMC]

CC maybe you should read Wendi's post again. Old school is a bad word?



sent from WMC's phone

[HB Vic]

I can't wait to see what happens when we pull in to a campground and try to camp this next season lol

[HB Vic]

CC maybe you should read Wendi's post again. Old school is a bad word?



sent from WMC's phone

You leave Carl alone or I'll punch you in the ribs LOL

[WMC]

You leave Carl alone or I'll punch you in the ribs LOL

Old school old school:sly:



sent from WMC's phone

[HB Vic]

Old school old school:sly:



sent from WMC's phone

Ok I'm using my left hand sucka

[Wendi]

Were you recently promoted by HotBoat to Membership Vice President in charge of insulting and pissing off members? If so, good job!

Taking a shot like that is rude, crude and completely out of line. I don't think I've seen you anywhere in your motorhome....or did you and William buy partnership into Vic's rig?

Just for definition purposes: "Old School" is a cool thing.
old–school

adjective : typical of an earlier style or form : based on a way of doing things that was common in the past
: using or supporting traditional practices

Full Definition of OLD-SCHOOL

1
: adhering to traditional policies or practices <an old–school coach>

2
: characteristic or evocative of an earlier or original style, manner, or form <old–school music>

[HB Vic]

OMG someone post a picture of a dead horse. We're done here, nothing to see, move along LOL

[WMC]

Old school



sent from WMC's phone

[westair]

All '66

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Wish I had a motorhome...... how about a full pic of miss Hennessey 38-23-36:biggrin:

[CampbellCarl]

CC maybe you should read Wendi's post again. Old school is a bad word?



sent from WMC's phone


Just for definition purposes: "Old School" is a cool thing.
old–school

adjective : typical of an earlier style or form : based on a way of doing things that was common in the past
: using or supporting traditional practices

Full Definition of OLD-SCHOOL

1
: adhering to traditional policies or practices <an old–school coach>

2
: characteristic or evocative of an earlier or original style, manner, or form <old–school music>



Old school cool is one thing...

haha (insert Simpson kid point and laugh) ...........LOL (Laugh Out Loud again insert Simpson kid point and laugh) j/k (just kidding) (shhhhhh) read don't tell Carl that I'm pointing, laughing and making fun of him.....

Out

[Wendi]

Old school cool is one thing...

haha (insert Simpson kid point and laugh) ...........LOL (Laugh Out Loud again insert Simpson kid point and laugh) j/k (just kidding) (shhhhhh) read don't tell Carl that I'm pointing, laughing and making fun of him.....

Out
Well again that is not how it was meant and I would never say something to hurt your feelings.

[gn7]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28161&d=1386897929

Oh shit, talk about a childhood flashback. CHRSITA SPECK!! Like the post with Cam Nelson as the Trophy Queen of the 1968 Elsinore 500 with Vic Edelbrock.
That article is 1966. What they aren't telling you is, she was Miss September 1961, and the Playmate of the Year 1962. I am pretty sure the first women I fell in love with.
Article says they only had a head shot. Welllll, I have more than that. Most of which can't be posted on this site. .:thumb:
She married Mary Korft, creater of HR Pufenstuf. Sadly she died in April of this year.

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[westair]

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28161&d=1386897929

Oh shit, talk about a childhood flashback. CHRSITA SPECK!! Like the post with Cam Nelson as the Trophy Queen of the 1968 Elsinore 500 with Vic Edelbrock.
That article is 1966. What they aren't telling you is, she was Miss September 1961, and the Playmate of the Year 1962. I am pretty sure the first women I fell in love with.
Article says they only had a head shot. Welllll, I have more than that.:thumb:

Please refer to post 386 ..... and post up:biggrin:

[Wendi]

Old school cool is one thing...

haha (insert Simpson kid point and laugh) ...........LOL (Laugh Out Loud again insert Simpson kid point and laugh) j/k (just kidding) (shhhhhh) read don't tell Carl that I'm pointing, laughing and making fun of him.....

Out Hope to see you at Needles!

[gn7]

Please refer to post 386 ..... and post up:biggrin:

Go back and look, I posted up all I dare. Google Image her, there's plenty. I will always think fondly of Christa. She was quite an education for a 10 year old

[Sharp shooter]

Well again that is not how it was meant. You know I'm not a mean person or say mean things that would hurt someone's feelings. .

Awe poor Carl. (ok Wendi, I just transferred his grief from you onto me) :D

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/normal_Cry_baby.jpg

[gn7]

First boat to ever go 100+ in the 1/4 mile. Only went 97+ in this article, but later was the first boat to exceed 100 in the quarter.
Funny that in the 50's and very early 1960 the flats were the fastest accelerating boats on earth. Took a little while to get a hydro to accelerate like a flat. Even when the hydros did over take the flats, it wasn't by much, for a long time. When jack Davidson's White Mist hydro was hitting 110, Rudy's flat was doing 100.
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[westair]

Go back and look, I posted up all I dare. Google Image her, there's plenty. I will always think fondly of Christa. She was quite an education for a 10 year old

beautiful woman:thumbsUp:

[CampbellCarl]

Awe poor Carl. (ok Wendi, I just transferred his grief from you onto me) :D

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/normal_Cry_baby.jpg



Perhaps you and Wendi will both bring your motorhomes to Needles and we can party together..............oh wait.............

[gn7]

beautiful woman:thumbsUp:

She has the "do" that 2MM was asking about.
Didn't know then, but it appears she was 19 when she was POM/ POY. So at least I was lusting for a teenager, not some old hag in her 20s:love:

http://gripuni.free.fr/dossier/photos/backup/photos/Playboy%20Collection/Playboy/Datasheets/1960S/1961/196109_Christa_Speck_Data.jpg

[HB Vic]

Why you delete that??

[2manymustangs]

Bob can tell us what jets everyone's running, how cold the water is and it wouldn't surprise me if he knows how many rocks are lining the far shore. :D

:biggrin:

[gn7]

OK enough about the bitches, back to boats!

Second oldest ad I have found for Rayson.
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Original wood Mandella. This is about as cool as old school gets.
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[Sharp shooter]

Perhaps you and Wendi will both bring your motorhomes to Needles and we can party together..............oh wait.............

I might bring my RV...

...no need to wait Carl. :coffee-n-news:

[Sharp shooter]

Original wood Mandella. This is about as cool as old school gets.

How old are those pics Bob?

[Sharp shooter]

Here's that picture we were talking about earlier.

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[Sharp shooter]

This guy had all the chicks!

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[gn7]

How old are those pics Bob?

I have no idea. I plagiarized them long time ago off some site long time ago. I think V driveboats. It reminds me a lot of my uncle's Stevens from around that time.

[gn7]

This guy had all the chicks!

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Lon Skinner. He was one of Rudy's first dealers, up somewhere in Oregon. He and John Sofilos in Redwood City, now in Clear Lake were his first 2 dealers.
I'm pretty sure Lon was the second SK champion after Olsen in Cream Puff. Both Raysons. Then Towle won in 1963 and 64 with a Stevens.
You have to love the 1 + 2 bench seat in a Super Stock. The girl next to him is sitting in the divider that covered the V drive and "acted" as a bucket for the driver.
Olsen had the same seat arrangement in the first Cream Puff.

So Jerry, heres one I have never been able to figure out, and always managed to forget to ask Rudy. What is the thing on his helmet. You see the same thing on Rudy's helmet when he is sitting in the U9 Allison boat, and in some Salton Sea 500 action pics.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28181&d=1386909120
Yeah, that's a GREAT picture. 2 SKs and a drag boat running a circle race. In think that was a HOT BOAT race at the drags. Later they held HOT BOAT races at the ski races, which led to the start of the SS class. The boat cutting the inside is Rudy

[Sharp shooter]

Lon Skinner. He was one of Rudy's first dealers, up somewhere in Oregon. He and John Sofilos in Redwood City, now in Clear Lake were his first 2 dealers.
I'm pretty sure Lon was the second SK champion after Olsen in Cream Puff. Both Raysons. Then Towle won in 1963 and 64 with a Stevens.
You have to love the 1 + 2 bench seat in a Super Stock. The girl next to him is sitting in the divider that covered the V drive and "acted" as a bucket for the driver.
Olsen had the same seat arrangement in the first Cream Puff.

So Jerry, heres one I have never been able to figure out, and always managed to forget to ask Rudy. What is the thing on his helmet. You see the same thing on Rudy's helmet when he is sitting in the U9 Allison boat, and in some Salton Sea 500 action pics.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=28181&d=1386909120
Yeah, that's a GREAT picture. 2 SKs and a drag boat running a circle race. In think that was a HOT BOAT race at the drags. Later they held HOT BOAT races at the ski races, which led to the start of the SS class. The boat cutting the inside is Rudy

Maybe woodpecker was just heading back to the ramp from making a drag pass and got caught in the photo...? Lol I don't have a clue on the helmet.

[Sharp shooter]

Another good one.

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[gn7]

Marion Beavers Gummy's Ghost driven by Wayne Thompson
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Leroy Penhall in Hot Cinders You can bet your ass that's Bruce holding the boat.
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[westair]

First boat to ever go 100+ in the 1/4 mile. Only went 97+ in this article, but later was the first boat to exceed 100 in the quarter.
Funny that in the 50's and very early 1960 the flats were the fastest accelerating boats on earth. Took a little while to get a hydro to accelerate like a flat. Even when the hydros did over take the flats, it wasn't by much, for a long time. When jack Davidson's White Mist hydro was hitting 110, Rudy's flat was doing 100.
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Olds first to go 100+mph .... must of been good for sales. .. 550hp doesn't seem like much for a blown BB alky motor.

[2manymustangs]

OK enough about the bitches, back to boats!

Second oldest ad I have found for Rayson.

Original wood Mandella. This is about as cool as old school gets.


WAIT WAIT... I didn't get to see the VINTAGE chick floating in the hydro yet... :(

[2manymustangs]

She has the "do" that 2MM was asking about.
Didn't know then, but it appears she was 19 when she was POM/ POY. So at least I was lusting for a teenager, not some old hag in her 20s:love:

http://gripuni.free.fr/dossier/photos/backup/photos/Playboy%20Collection/Playboy/Datasheets/1960S/1961/196109_Christa_Speck_Data.jpg

MMMmmmmm natural puffies, what hair??? Oh, she does have a hairdoo... :yourock:

[gn7]

Another good one.

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Ron Larson was one of the guys that co drove the outboard when they won the 1967 Outboard Worlds in Havasu with 3 Mercs on the back of the GN hull. ?The other co driver was Micheal Reagan(Ronnie's son).
Larson's wife (EX) was the woman that took Rudy to the hospital when he died. One of the coolest ladies you could ever meet.
All of Ron's boats were "Quickies" Its Quick, Quicky, Quicky Too, Miss Quickly. I have no idea how many he owned, but it was a few thru the years.

[Sharp shooter]

Ron Larson was one of the guys that co drove the outboard when they won the 1967 Outboard Worlds in Havasu with 3 Mercs on the back of the GN hull. ?The other co driver was Micheal Reagan(Ronnie's son).
Larson's wife (EX) was the woman that took Rudy to the hospital when he died. One of the coolest ladies you could ever meet.
All of Ron's boats were "Quickies" Its Quick, Quicky, Quicky Too, Miss Quickly. I have no idea how many he owned, but it was a few thru the years.

They're in a lot of advertisements! Where's the outboard gn hull now?

[gn7]

They're in a lot of advertisements! Where's the outboard gn hull now?

Phil Carter built a outboard from a GN hull when he worked there in the 70s. He owned a ski/marathon boat called Never Satisfied. Fitz drove it in the enduro once or twice.

Just before Rudy died a guy came in that had a full height 21 cruiser with a Merc 300 on it, with wrap around cocktail seating in the rear. Thing was cooool.

I guess he would build whatever you wanted if you asked.
If you're asking what happened to THAT hull, a guy was talking with ,me a couple years ago in Parker and described a 20ft he had, and it fit the that hull to a T. However, I since learned from a member on PB, that Rudy wasn't the first triple engine GN hull to win the Worlds at Havasu, 3 other guys from the south bay area had done it the year before in 1966 using a Rayson 20ft(19) with e outboards. I wasn't buying it, but he gave me the names and I found it in a Sport illustrated article on line.
I see if I can find it again. Kind of blue me away when I learned that.

[Wendi]

This guy had all the chicks!

28182 He sure did! Check out the bufonts and suits! Sexy back in the day.

[gn7]

Didn't take as long as I thought. Its easier once you know what you're looking for.

Not a lot of info, but enough to know that Rudy, Ron Larson and Michael Reagan didn't do it first, and that a Rayson outboard won the World outboard title 2 consecutive years.

http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1079386/2/index.htm

[gn7]

He sure did! Check out the bufonts and suits! Sexy back in the day.

Precilla was the queen of the bufont do
http://furcoatnoknickers.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/elvisx-large.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfh55XVzf0rRh-3aNcXZ5RqksUTzv9Ws-teMy4lf4n-cU0Cz8s

[Sharp shooter]

Jan '67 Hot Boat classified ad.

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[gn7]

Doesn't seem like a lot of money, but my parents paid the same for our house in Culver City around the same time, That would buy you about 10 V8 Mustangs.
That was right after the Allison were banned. Ready to race, Yeah, but in what. They weren't even legal in marathons. You could set a unlimited kilo record with it. But it had already done that.
Of course you get 4 spare engines. Rudy told me he paid 50.00 in the crate for the one he ran. It cost him 4 times that to have the pistons machined that they cast for it at the shop Stock they are supercharged, and had lower compression, and superchargers weren't legal at the Salton Sea race. Probably why Patterson had spare engines. Blown and unblown.

[Sharp shooter]

So is this #1 Bob?

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[Sharp shooter]

March 67 HB

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[gn7]

So is this #1 Bob?

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That's it.!!
That's the best picture I have ever seen of it outside of the one Rudy had.
Bottom doesn't seem all that different than a current GN. Makes me still wonder about the "parallax" ad.
What most don't stop to think about is that was 3+ years before built the 20 ft flat. But then, you can't really face a flat bottom outboard to well. So I guess you build what you NEED, and if you can sell them later as inboards, then that's just a bonus.

If you notice, the deck has no dash rise, no gunnels, just glassed plywood with a slight arch in it. The guy I met in Idaho said he had a Rayson, with no V drive, no shaft hole, with the same the deck.
The Allison deck was pretty flat, but was made up like a normal wood deck. The outboard was really plain jane and kind of crude. It had 3- 75 gal tanks in it, one for each out board, and aircraft type dry break fills. Rudy said they could dump a full load in one minute.

[Sharp shooter]

That's it.!!
That's the best picture I have ever seen of it outside of the one Rudy had.
Bottom doesn't seem all that different than a current GN. Makes me still wonder about the "parallax" ad.
What most don't stop to think about is that was 3+ years before built the 20 ft flat. But then, you can't really face a flat bottom outboard to well. So I guess you build what you NEED, and if you can sell them later as inboards, then that's just a bonus.

Yeah, I'm not saying it is (what the hell do I know), but that bottom looks just like all the rest to me. At least from that angle and from a low res pic.

What happened to the deck? :D

[gn7]

Yeah, I'm not saying it is (what the hell do I know), but that bottom looks just like all the rest to me. At least from that angle and from a low res pic.

What happened to the deck? :D

Yeah, I wonder if Rudy's "parallax" bottom didn't turn out to be all that or that it was any different than what he had been selling :wink2:

I edited my previous post about the deck. GOOD EYE!!!

[2manymustangs]

He sure did! Check out the bufonts and suits! Sexy back in the day.

THis one is NOT all that old, do you know her name??? :)

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[Sharp shooter]

Yeah, I wonder if Rudy's "parallax" bottom didn't turn out to be all that or that it was any different than what he had been selling :wink2:

I wonder if Fitz would know about the "mystery" bottom...Lol

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I wonder if Fitz would know about the "mystery" bottom...Lol




He was working there at that time. I would think the Duff would know as well.
I first I would have said it was the bottom from Duffs GN, but that would never work with a jet, and the ad claims a jet won Puddingstone with that bottom. There is no putting a jet in Duff's GN. In fact, I am most positive that Rudy's GN was laid up around that time. Never seen anything unusual under that thing.

[gn7]

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This ad cracks me up. Otto Crocker watches. That's some funny shit.
2 Many Mustangs avatar on PB is the surveyor's marker for the 1/4 mile drags finish at Long Beach. I wonder if Bruce even know that Otto himself probably placed that there. Or even knows who Otto was. I assume ole Otto has his scope setup on it.
Otto made a name for himself during that period, and was in some serious demand to verify world record attempts everywhere from land speeds at Bonneville to water records at Salton Sea. Back then, it wasn't a record unless ole Otto was there to verify it. You see it in a lot of ads claiming speed records during that time.

[SBS933]

One of our Inspectors remembers blowing past boats that were tapped out, on a ski. He said the look on the drivers faces were memorable. He used to run the Catalina deal. His name was Don Smedley, don't know if anyone heard of him.

[gn7]

One of our Inspectors remembers blowing past boats that were tapped out, on a ski. He said the look on the drivers faces were memorable. He used to run the Catalina deal. His name was Don Smedley, don't know if anyone heard of him.

Don't remember a Don Smedely, but today, if you are doing 80+ in the ocean between Long Beach and Catalina, on any given day, a couple months before the race, you might just get smoked by a skier.
The 2 times I observed back in the late 60s in a flat bottom, I was in worse shape than the skier when we were thru. I was trashed.

On lakes and rivers, its much crazier. You only think your boat is fast and you are hauling ass, until you get passed by a skier. When I first built my GN I was driving to Black Meadows early on Monday, doing about 80 and Ashley Lathrop blew by us like we were tied to a tree. Just a daily practice run to the dam and back before going to school.

If your boat can't cruise at 100+ and do 125, you may just get zapped by a skier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggn2vFp7PsQ

[westair]

Leroy Penhall in Hot Cinders You can bet your ass that's Bruce holding the boat.
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These crackers don't look a whole different than they do today .... and they go waaay back, seem to almost predate everything else! ..... must be a traditional thing, they do look fun to drive although doesn't look to easy to make a quick exit out of one.

[gn7]

These crackers don't look a whole different than they do today .... and they go waaay back, seem to almost predate everything else! ..... must be a traditional thing, they do look fun to drive although doesn't look to easy to make a quick exit out of one.

These crackers don't look a whole different than they do today .... and they go waaay back, seem to almost predate everything else! ..... must be a traditional thing, they do look fun to drive although doesn't look to easy to make a quick exit out of one.

The basic hull goes back to 1938. Its the oldest class in the APBA, since about 1948. The engines rules have changed thru the years. If you look they had multiple carbs back then, on flat head engines. You can still run multi carbs or fuel injection on an alternative smaller 275 ci engine verses a 314, but nobody runs that anymore.

The basic hull has remained pretty much the same thru all the years. But the rules covering the hull are pretty well spelled out and there is not much lee way. Its one of the things that caused the current riff and split in the class. So call variations from the hull specs.

When the crackers first came on the scene, they were the closest thing to what was called the Pacific One Design Hydros, and the crackers were the fastest accelerating hull in circle boats prior to the V drive flat coming on the scene around 1953-54 and becoming a class in 1959. Prior to the SK class, V drive flats began to own ski racing, and they had their own circle boat races between themselves at the ski races. APBA SK races and the start of boat drags were almost at the same time, primarily due to the creation of the v drive flat.

Pacific One Design Hydro (PODH)
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[Sharp shooter]

The basic hull goes back to 1938. Its the oldest class in the APBA, since about 1948. The engines rules have changed thru the years. If you look they had multiple carbs back then, on flat head engines. You can still run multi carbs or fuel injection on an alternative smaller 275 ci engine verses a 314, but nobody runs that anymore.

The basic hull has remained pretty much the same thru all the years. But the rules covering the hull are pretty well spelled out and there is not much lee way. Its one of the things that caused the current riff and split in the class. So call variations from the hull specs.

When the crackers first came on the scene, they were the closest thing to what was called the Pacific One Design Hydros, and the crackers were the fastest accelerating hull in circle boats prior to the V drive flat coming on the scene around 1953-54 and becoming a class in 1959. Prior to the SK class, V drive flats began to own ski racing, and they had their own circle boat races between themselves at the ski races. APBA SK races and the start of boat drags were almost at the same time, primarily due to the creation of the v drive flat.

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I've never seen a Pacific one in person Bob. :thumbup:

[Sharp shooter]

You'll never see this going down the highway. :D

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[gn7]

You'll never see this going down the highway. :D

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You'd be surprised Jerry. Bill's dad use to tow the 68 Rayson with 23 T roadster. He towed it from LA to the river more than once, Bill still has the car and the boat. The car had a 427 Ford MR and 4 speed with a M/T cross ram. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it with the boat behind it.

If you can tow a Stevens with a T bird on slicks, your sure as hell can tow a Rayson with a T roadster:shhh:

[Sharp shooter]

You'd be surprised Jerry. Bill's dad use to tow the 68 Rayson with 23 T roadster. He towed it from LA to the river more than once, Bill still has the car and the boat. The car had a 427 Ford MR and 4 speed with a M/T cross ram. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it with the boat behind it.

If you can tow a Stevens with a T bird on slicks, your sure as hell can tow a Rayson with a T roadster:shhh:

That's pretty cool Bob. Post a pic of that rig.

Yeah my dad had a 427 in both the t-bird and the Stevens. He said he pulled up to a signal once where an unsuspecting Chevelle was waiting for the light. When the light turned green they hit it and my dad pulled away. He said the look on the Chevelle drivers face as he saw the boat passing him was priceless. :D

The bird had a 3 speed manual with the electric overdrive, slicks and 4.56 gears out back. He ran the hi po exhaust manifolds back then.

When I got the car running again in the late 90's it was a handful on street tires.

[Sharp shooter]

This is before the 427's. The bird had a HiPO 390 in it here.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_Griffin_Archives_008.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

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[2manymustangs]

This is before the 427's. The bird had a HiPO 390 in it here.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_Griffin_Archives_008.jpg

Jerry, does your family still have the bird/boat?

[Sharp shooter]

Jerry, does your family still have the bird/boat?

No, Dad sold it around 2000.

Bringing the bird out of storage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBWtgM3RnyY)

[WMC]

No, Dad sold it around 2000.

Bringing the bird out of storage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBWtgM3RnyY)

Your parents had all the cool stuff:thumbup:



sent from WMC's phone

[2manymustangs]

No, Dad sold it around 2000.



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[westair]

This is before the 427's. The bird had a HiPO 390 in it here.

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_Griffin_Archives_008.jpg

Very cool!! ..... the 390 just wasn't enough in the bird?:biggrin: ... your dad sounds like a true racer, it's never enough!

[Sharp shooter]

Very cool!! ..... the 390 just wasn't enough in the bird?:biggrin: ... your dad sounds like a true racer, it's never enough!

When the 427 became available my dad upgraded. Easy transition since the car had already undergone the F.E. conversion. :)

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/2.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Engine.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/G2_002.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/et107.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Gordon_Sr__Plume.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Grich_004.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/gordyt-69.jpg

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[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/resized_et7.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/Wood_Hydro.jpg

[Sharp shooter]

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[gn7]

http://www.keatonboat.com/Documentation/DowlingHotBoat_09-90.jpg
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[2manymustangs]

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That is cool add ^^^ it might work :happy:

[Sharp shooter]

SCJ Tow vehicle. :thumbsUp:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/ellis71_zpsa4ee068e.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/ellis71_zpsa4ee068e.jpg.html)

[Sharp shooter]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/rbn_zps3dba6dd4.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/rbn_zps3dba6dd4.jpg.html)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/rbn3_zpsdf1d9b5d.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/rbn3_zpsdf1d9b5d.jpg.html)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/rbn2_zps7d71a2ab.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/rbn2_zps7d71a2ab.jpg.html)

[Sharp shooter]

The jet boat navy.

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http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb39/Roadroamer1/SCSC71_zps70139435.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/Roadroamer1/media/SCSC71_zps70139435.jpg.html)

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[Sharp shooter]

Golden Emblem boats were top shelf. :)

That 99-K boat is in many magazines. One of the earliest (in print) using that designation.

[gn7]

I think that's because Lou was a pretty mello easy going guy. That was right when the whole "U" designation issue came up with the Unlimiteds, that was primarily between Rudy and Bill Muncey. K was not a "runabout" class at the time and many didn't use it. Most boats in the "marathon" class ran without a letter designation at all during that period. Shortly later, Rudy, Nordskog, Bill Cooper, and Lou started the "professional racers" association, and the boats started carrying the S/C designation.
Prior to the "professional" association, the marathon guy were pretty much a rag tag, run what ya brung group with no real boat rules. The only real limitation was the Salton Sea 500 which didn't allow supercharging. Unlimited fit them pretty good really. There simply was no limits. Aircraft, tank, multi engines, you name it, it was all OK. Until after the 1965 Salton Sea 500, and then they called out restrictions calling for automotive engines.

KRR came some time after 1965.

[Sharp shooter]

I think that's because Lou was a pretty mello easy going guy. That was right when the whole "U" designation issue came up with the Unlimiteds, that was primarily between Rudy and Bill Muncey. K was not a "runabout" class at the time and many didn't use it. Most boats in the "marathon" class ran without a letter designation at all during that period. Shortly later, Rudy, Nordskog, Bill Cooper, and Lou started the "professional racers" association, and the boats started carrying the S/C designation.

KRR came some time after 1965.

I believe it was '69. I talked to Chuck Boyd about this a few times. There were guys that wanted to race, but their boats were beyond any of the classes. The result was KRR.

[Sharp shooter]

72...? Remember the front hitches with the super long extensions?
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[Sharp shooter]

This is a good one.
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[gn7]

I believe it was '69. I talked to Chuck Boyd about this a few times. There were guys that wanted to race, but their boats were beyond any of the classes. The result was KRR.
Yeah, '69 sounds about right. That was roughly the same time as entire shake up in the runabout classes. SK was on its way out, PC was coming in, classes like the E service were fading. Like you said, there was nowhere to run a boat with a blower or larger than 500 CID in inboard runabout, so KRR was created using the K from what was primarily a straightaway Unlimited class for runabout, non steeped displacement hulls.

[gn7]

72...? Remember the front hitches with the super long extensions?

Never had a front hitch, but I do have a super long extension for the trailer. Used maybe once or twice at Parker. Pain in the ass trying to move the boat around with it. Never used it again.

[Sharp shooter]

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[Sharp shooter]

A first from Eliminator. lol '73

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Cool ad Jerry. Never seen that one before. Some interesting things in that ad. JD Hunt is running a 20 ft GN, Culwell looks like its a flat, or possibly a straked 18ft LP, although I don't think Rudy straked the LP until later.

Maricich is driving Ron Larson Its Quick Super Stock.

I think one of the "new" 20ft owners, Ed Carter, is Ron and Phil Carter's dad.


Snoopy, Rudy and Bill Coopers offshore boat. Crazy rig. Similar to the GN bottom, but larger, and the crew was in the very rear. I think the name came from the length of the nose of the boat.
Rudy entered that boat in a race and the techs claimed it was too short for the class, and Rudy glassed a broom handle to the deck and sent it back thru tech. I don't think the boat was all that, but they drove the shit out of the thing.

[Sharp shooter]

Cool ad Jerry. Never seen that one before. Some interesting things in that ad. JD Hunt is running a 20 ft GN, Culwell looks like its a flat, or possibly a straked 18ft LP, although I don't think Rudy straked the LP until later.

Maricich is driving Ron Larson Its Quick Super Stock.

I think one of the "new" 20ft owners, Ed Carter, is Ron and Phil Carter's dad.


Snoopy, Rudy and Bill Coopers offshore boat. Crazy rig. Similar to the GN bottom, but larger, and the crew was in the very rear. I think the name came from the length of the nose of the boat.
Rudy entered that boat in a race and the techs claimed it was too short for the class, and Rudy glassed a broom handle to the deck and sent it back thru tech. I don't think the boat was all that, but they drove the shit out of the thing.

Whatever the case, they sure stacked up some wins!

[2manymustangs]

Cool ad Jerry. Never seen that one before. Some interesting things in that ad. JD Hunt is running a 20 ft GN, Culwell looks like its a flat, or possibly a straked 18ft LP, although I don't think Rudy straked the LP until later.

Maricich is driving Ron Larson Its Quick Super Stock.

I think one of the "new" 20ft owners, Ed Carter, is Ron and Phil Carter's dad.


Snoopy, Rudy and Bill Coopers offshore boat. Crazy rig. Similar to the GN bottom, but larger, and the crew was in the very rear. I think the name came from the length of the nose of the boat.
Rudy entered that boat in a race and the techs claimed it was too short for the class, and Rudy glassed a broom handle to the deck and sent it back thru tech. I don't think the boat was all that, but they drove the shit out of the thing.

When did my favorite model of RaysonCraft hull make its debut Bob???

[Wheeler]

Hey Jerry, have you any pix of Dennis Pollocia sliding on his ass as he passed through the timing lights?

[gn7]

When did my favorite model of RaysonCraft hull make its debut Bob???


When did my favorite model of RaysonCraft hull make its debut Bob???

1975. Rudy may have had a couple out there before they went public. He was pretty good about running and testing them before selling them.
Like I posted earlier in this thread, this is Numbero Uno of the 21 ft cruiser. Not much of a race boat is it. Even has a bow rail.
To my knowledge, nobody raced one in the GN class until around 79 or so. Maybe even a little later. It was built as a ski race boat, and it is still one of the better ski race boats in my opinion, even though the Schiada is more popular.
You should consider a different "favorite". It doesn't have the win record you would like to believe it does.
Thruthfully, there is maybe 4-5 people EVER that could race the 21 successfully, and maybe 1 or 2 of them perfered not to use the 21 even though they could win in it and you know who is not one of that 4-5 people. There isn't a long string of successful 21 cruiser drivers.
Watch Robbie Devine drive a 21 and he looks like he is constantly making steering corrections in the boat. He is. But the boat is going dead straight. Watch Joey and he looks 8/10s out of control, He is, because he isn't making the steering corrections. The 21 is QUICKER than the 20, and just as fast. It doesn't handle rough water as well UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING!! At speed, in rough water, the 21 demands your attention.

I know, I know, you just love the boat. Tell me that after you have tried driving one at 100 plus. It takes some special skills to drive fast WELL. Trust me.
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25299&d=1384462603
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25300&d=1384462704

[westair]

A first from Eliminator. lol '73

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[Wheeler]

1975. Rudy may have had a couple out there before they went public. He was pretty good about running and testing them before selling them.
Like I posted earlier in this thread, this is Numbero Uno of the 21 ft cruiser. Not much of a race boat is it. Even has a bow rail.

http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25299&d=1384462603
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25300&d=1384462704

I've seen one of these floating around Parker, it appeared to have more freeboard than and newer 21' Rayson.

[RyanPartridge]

1975. Rudy may have had a couple out there before they went public. He was pretty good about running and testing them before selling them.
Like I posted earlier in this thread, this is Numbero Uno of the 21 ft cruiser. Not much of a race boat is it. Even has a bow rail.
To my knowledge, nobody raced one in the GN class until around 79 or so. Maybe even a little later. It was built as a ski race boat, and it is still one of the better ski race boats in my opinion, even though the Schiada is more popular.
You should consider a different "favorite". It doesn't have the win record you would like to believe it does.
Thruthfully, there is maybe 4-5 people EVER that could race the 21 successfully, and maybe 1 or 2 of them perfered not to use the 21 even though they could win in it and you know who is not one of that 4-5 people. There isn't a long string of successful 21 cruiser drivers.
Watch Robbie Devine drive a 21 and he looks like he is constantly making steering corrections in the boat. He is. But the boat is going dead straight. Watch Joey and he looks 8/10s out of control, He is, because he isn't making the steering corrections. The 21 is QUICKER than the 20, and just as fast. It doesn't handle rough water as well UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING!! At speed, in rough water, the 21 demands your attention.

I know, I know, you just love the boat. Tell me that after you have tried driving one at 100 plus. It takes some special skills to drive fast WELL. Trust me.
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25299&d=1384462603
http://www.hotboat.com/frm/attachment.php?attachmentid=25300&d=1384462704

About 4 or 5 years ago I'm driving out to Parker, on Rice Rd, and I spot this RaysonCraft out front of McGoos. The owner's name was Gene and I want to say he may have worked for Rudy at some point, can't remember for sure. When I mentioned that I had a checkerboard Schiada flat he told me he was there when Leonard popped the first glass boat out of the mold. He said he helped deliver one to a guy back in Pennsylvania in 68 or 69. Wish I would've got to spend more time BS'n with him but his family came out of McGoo's and wanted to hit the road.

Anyways, original owner of this Rayson...I vaguely remember him saying there was a twin to this boat made.

[Wheeler]

About 4 or 5 years ago I'm driving out to Parker, on Rice Rd, and I spot this RaysonCraft out front of McGoos. The owner's name was Gene and I want to say he may have worked for Rudy at some point, can't remember for sure. When I mentioned that I had a checkerboard Schiada flat he told me he was there when Leonard popped the first glass boat out of the mold. He said he helped deliver one to a guy back in Pennsylvania in 68 or 69. Wish I would've got to spend more time BS'n with him but his family came out of McGoo's and wanted to hit the road.

Anyways, original owner of this Rayson...I vaguely remember him saying there was a twin to this boat made.

Nice Find Ryan! Thanks for the pix. :thumb:

Did they make any of this model in an open bow?
I bet one could fit a dozen seats in that boat and with the freeboard it should carry the weight.

[Sharp shooter]

Hey Jerry, have you any pix of Dennis Pollocia sliding on his ass as he passed through the timing lights?

I'll look.

[Sharp shooter]

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Vintage_ads_II_010.jpg

[gn7]

I've seen one of these floating around Parker, it appeared to have more freeboard than and newer 21' Rayson.
All 21 Cruisers you see racing and that vast majority of the recreational cruisers have less freeboard than the mold. There are very few full height cruisers out there, and when you see one, you know it. I have only seen one.
I think there may be a slight height difference with the boats that have the crown deck like the B&W pics I posted, the boat in the as that Shooter posted, and the ones Ryan posted. I believe the flat ski deck like the ones on the majority of the boats racing GN. The only crown deck that comes to mind that raced recently is Devine's GN47. I don't think its a lot different in the freeboard, but I think its slightly taller. The deck plays a role in how far they cut down the hull. The more they cut the sides, the shorter and narrower the boat gets and the deck doesn't fit properly and needs modifying.
The mold is about 6" taller than the boats you see racing GN. Most of the boats that are taller than the GNs are less than 2 inches taller, even though they look much taller. A full height 21 cruiser is HUGE looking. The one and only full height cruiser I have seen was a outboard center console whaler. The guy worked for Rudy back in the 70s and uses it for fishing in the ocean and runs to Catalina.


Nice Find Ryan! Thanks for the pix. :thumb:

Did they make any of this model in an open bow?
I bet one could fit a dozen seats in that boat and with the freeboard it should carry the weight.
They have been built in every conceivable configuration you can think of. V drive, jet, outboard, open bow, whaler. Not too many boats that do very well in competition, ski, circle and offshore, usually do well as recreation boats. He sold a ton of them.

[2manymustangs]

We touched on this topic before and I recall you saying that all of the cruisers were cut down before the tops were put on... That is very interesting to me and I do believe that I can see the difference in the height of the transoms like your saying...

I recall Eason saying that they took EXTRA EXTRA out of the bottom of the FAT ELEPHANT BASTARD and had one hell of a time putting the top on the due to the extreme mismatch...

I'm sorry but I think they just look bitchen sitting in the water and I wouldnt be the least bit scared running a hull like this in LOTO, not at 100 but maybe 80 :)

Jerry, in RiverRats I recall just a SHORT clip of Pat in his elephant bastard, is there more OR some good clear pics??? Caroline dug out the photo album of this boat when I was at their house a few months ago... Their girls were LITTLE ... :)

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[gn7]

We touched on this topic before and I recall you saying that all of the cruisers were cut down before the tops were put on... That is very interesting to me and I do believe that I can see the difference in the height of the transoms like your saying...

I recall Eason saying that they took EXTRA EXTRA out of the bottom of the FAT ELEPHANT BASTARD and had one hell of a time putting the top on the due to the extreme mismatch...

I'm sorry but I think they just look bitchen sitting in the water and I wouldnt be the least bit scared running a hull like this in LOTO, not at 100 but maybe 80 :)

Jerry, in RiverRats I recall just a SHORT clip of Pat in his elephant bastard, is there more OR some good clear pics??? Caroline dug out the photo album of this boat when I was at their house a few months ago... Their girls were LITTLE ... :)

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I think Pat only own that boat long enough to burn a tank or two though it. It wasn't exactly around long enough to get many pics of.
Boat is still around if you are interested in buying it. No hemi though. But them you don't care, you'd want a cammer anyway.

Getting the flat deck to fit a hull that is cut down a extra bit is easier than trying to fit the crown deck. Then there is the Tub Of Fools which has the appearance of being cut down more in the back than the front. My understanding is, it was not deliberate, but due to the way the gel coat was stripped in the mold and it kind of sealed the deal on how the hull had to be cut when it came out.

[2manymustangs]

I would take a Hemi as long as it was a Arias or Donovan, I wouldnt want to risk sinking my boat with the INCREDIBLE weight of an elephant...

I like this one too:

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[Sharp shooter]

We touched on this topic before and I recall you saying that all of the cruisers were cut down before the tops were put on... That is very interesting to me and I do believe that I can see the difference in the height of the transoms like your saying...

I recall Eason saying that they took EXTRA EXTRA out of the bottom of the FAT ELEPHANT BASTARD and had one hell of a time putting the top on the due to the extreme mismatch...

I'm sorry but I think they just look bitchen sitting in the water and I wouldnt be the least bit scared running a hull like this in LOTO, not at 100 but maybe 80 :)

Jerry, in RiverRats I recall just a SHORT clip of Pat in his elephant bastard, is there more OR some good clear pics??? Caroline dug out the photo album of this boat when I was at their house a few months ago... Their girls were LITTLE ... :)



The reason there wasn't more video is because the boat was ill handling. They used it quite a bit when they had it.

[gn7]

The owner's name was Gene and I want to say he may have worked for Rudy at some point, can't remember for sure. When I mentioned that I had a checkerboard Schiada flat he told me he was there when Leonard popped the first glass boat out of the mold. .

The fact that a guy that worked for Rudy was there when the first glass Schiada was popped is more believable than many might think. Leonard actually worked for Rudy for a short time before starting to make glass boats, and its more than probable that an employee of Rudy's was there when they laid up the first one.

It sometimes amazes me the people that worked for Rudy at one time or another, including Poty, Tom Papp, and Greer Rush. Almost the entire modifications to Greer's Howard that became the Rush was done in Rudy's shop. The first Poty is nothing more than a 17 ft Rayson.

[gn7]

The reason there wasn't more video is because the boat was ill handling. They used it quite a bit when they had it.
I was kind of kidding there Jerry. He did use it, while he had it, he just didn't have it very long.
Its only 2 ounces heavier than a small bag of chips.
The 21 that Doug Lightfoot has doesn't handle like the original one either, for the same reason. The damn things flex too much.
The current GN24 is nowhere near as stable as the old one. But its lighter, and a little quicker.

[Wheeler]

All 21 Cruisers you see racing and that vast majority of the recreational cruisers have less freeboard than the mold. There are very few full height cruisers out there, and when you see one, you know it. I have only seen one.
I think there may be a slight height difference with the boats that have the crown deck like the B&W pics I posted, the boat in the as that Shooter posted, and the ones Ryan posted. I believe the flat ski deck like the ones on the majority of the boats racing GN. The only crown deck that comes to mind that raced recently is Devine's GN47. I don't think its a lot different in the freeboard, but I think its slightly taller. The deck plays a role in how far they cut down the hull. The more they cut the sides, the shorter and narrower the boat gets and the deck doesn't fit properly and needs modifying.
The mold is about 6" taller than the boats you see racing GN. Most of the boats that are taller than the GNs are less than 2 inches taller, even though they look much taller. A full height 21 cruiser is HUGE looking. The one and only full height cruiser I have seen was a outboard center console whaler. The guy worked for Rudy back in the 70s and uses it for fishing in the ocean and runs to Catalina.


They have been built in every conceivable configuration you can think of. V drive, jet, outboard, open bow, whaler. Not too many boats that do very well in competition, ski, circle and offshore, usually do well as recreation boats. He sold a ton of them.


Thank you for taking the time and responding with this great information. :thumb::thumb:

[Wheeler]

I'll look.

I look forward to seeing what ever you find, Thanks!

One more request, Gary Owens pix.

[Wheeler]

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[RyanPartridge]

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1970...maybe 71.

Very cool photo, thanks for sharing.

[gn7]

I look forward to seeing what ever you find, Thanks!

One more request, Gary Owens pix.

Hell that was easy
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKi1xuvIssUZAYjGtaQN4Q6sTGrHVkp U8h-sqydFPRcM7NsDCY

[Wheeler]

Hell that was easy
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKi1xuvIssUZAYjGtaQN4Q6sTGrHVkp U8h-sqydFPRcM7NsDCY

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[westair]

28585 How 'Bout That
NDBA Blown Fuel Flat record holder ... 137.82 mph Howard Custom Boats, Howard Brown driver .... 1960's
Looks like the family ski boat with a Blown Chrysler in it!