Performance Engine Build...

[gn7]

Doughnuts? Promise? Carson & Orange has the best...

Only if you promise to stop being a dimwitted child about Fords in I/Os.

I can post pics of Olds, Pontiac, Buick and Mopar jets and v drives. Doesn't make any of them suitable or friendly for I/O use. It would just make me an idiot.

Seriously, I don't think you can help yourself, so I am not going to hold my breath about the donuts.

[Uncle Dave]

I love V drives, and thats a bitchin rig in your post.
I even find jets a good time on the lower river if a bit expensive on fuel - and if looking to power rigs like that I would be open to all sensible alternative power to chebby.

I also get that lots of guys think you can't have a "hot boat" without a vdrive, or a jet because I/O Imposes too many restrictions.

Thing is I have 2 outdrive boats now and need a 3rd mill for the inevitable, and because its simply time for a new project, and it has to have enough manners to swap into either, with enough beans to shove a 30ft boat around.

My small block's pretty stout, but would have a hard time shoving that 2750 around with authority, so I was thinking something well mannered with about 600HP.

I'm open to a Ford Setup that would work. If someone - anyone- can show me some actual examples in a boat vs. on a dyno.
I just can't find any wet exhaust combos that idle at (or better yet below) 1K, and stabilize at low RPM load, at least that anybody is willing to talk about.

Just about any builder can make any mill roar with -0- manner or fuel restrictions - hell I can do that.

It's kind of a bummer I know they can rock balls and hold up.
I just hate pioneering combos in boats, and prefer to do what guys have already proven.

I'm not convinced Shermans kid is the builder the old man was. I've seen more than one "oil burner" come out of Shermans shop.

Im also not convinced in my situation it pays to "get different" , but I'm all ears and ready to learn should guys with experience ever decide to step out of the shadows.



UD

On another front - That box-o-doghnuts you showed up with the morning of the evo test run was killer - whoever pumped those babies out was a true doughnut connoisseur

[2manymustangs]

Only if you promise to stop being a dimwitted child about Fords in I/Os.

I can post pics of Olds, Pontiac, Buick and Mopar jets and v drives. Doesn't make any of them suitable or friendly for I/O use. It would just make me an idiot.

Seriously, I don't think you can help yourself, so I am not going to hold my breath about the donuts.

Ok, i'll nibble... Aside from the mild cam/idle quality desire of Uncle AND the need for a decent low RPM IDLE to shift the I/O in and out of gear AND having a nice BROAD torque curve with peak HP all done before say 6500RPM WHAT is so special and unique about a I/O engine???

I'm pretty sure the shotgun ford pic I posted is an old Lavey, I thought Uncle would enjoy seeing THAT combo since he is a Lavey guy PLUS the earlier questions/comments about "FERDS in marine applications"...

[gn7]

Ok, i'll nibble... Aside from the mild cam/idle quality desire of Uncle AND the need for a decent low RPM IDLE to shift the I/O in and out of gear AND having a nice BROAD torque curve with peak HP all done before say 6500RPM WHAT is so special and unique about a I/O engine???

I'm pretty sure the shotgun ford pic I posted is an old Lavey, I thought Uncle would enjoy seeing THAT combo since he is a Lavey guy PLUS the earlier questions/comments about "FERDS in marine applications"...

You want to start with the exhaust, and then move on to all the front mount accessories like water pump, power steering, hyd pump for the O/D, bell housing to O/D, drive hub, and drive system for the accessories, etc etc. Its not the engine itself that makes a marine engine, its all the shit you have to hook to it.
A lot of Buicks & Caddys were used in the 60s. Ever seen a set of offshore type manifolds for an outdrive for them. They were "marine" engines.

Stop the goof ball shit Bruce. Show me you are smarter than this.

[2manymustangs]

You want to start with the exhaust, and then move on to all the front mount accessories like water pump, power steering, hyd pump for the O/D, bell housing to O/D, drive hub, and drive system for the accessories, etc etc. Its not the engine itself that makes a marine engine, its all the shit you have to hook to it.
A lot of Buicks & Caddys were used in the 60s. Ever seen a set of offshore type manifolds for an outdrive for them. They were "marine" engines.

Stop the goof ball shit Bruce. Show me you are smarter than this.

Anyone with half a brain knows that you have to dress out the engine with all of the marine trim and there are TONS of wet exhaust out there for SBF and BBF, prolly even 335 series engines also, aside from some trick water jacketed headers like Uncle Daves Viper engine what would be hard to obtain?








Took me all of two minutes to find on EBAY, and there is a plethora of marine distributors, starters, alternators for sale... SO lets take all of the marinizing excuses out of the discussion... I can have any dimension of performance jacketed stainless polished headers built for any SBF head that is selected, Blue THunder # BTH-CHCA-CC is a 385 series head with chevy exhaust ports... There are plenty of options out there if someone is interested in doing something other than Chebby power...

I thought maybe I was missing something with the engine itself that sets it apart from all of the other boats...

[2manymustangs]

oh, you want a blackie? mercruiser 888 (5.0 ford)

[gn7]

You really believe you make the 550-600HP UD was talking about for his boat with those manifolds. Would you bolt those up a set of AFR, or Kaase P38 heads. Really Bruce, would you. Are you the same guy that was making suggestion for UD's chevy? And you come with bullshit like this?

[2manymustangs]

You really believe you make the 550-600HP UD was talking about for his boat with those manifolds. Would you bolt those up a set of AFR, or Kaase P38 heads. Really Bruce, would you. Are you the same guy that was making suggestion for UD's chevy? And you come with bullshit like this?

Do you ever read anything I type OR do you just look at the pretty pictures? SO it's only the exhaust manifolds that marinize an engine?

Tell me, since that is all out of the way, what makes an I/O ENGINE so special?

[2manymustangs]

Took me all of two minutes to find on EBAY, and there is a plethora of marine distributors, starters, alternators for sale... SO lets take all of the marinizing excuses out of the discussion... I can have any dimension of performance jacketed stainless polished headers built for any SBF head that is selected, Blue THunder # BTH-CHCA-CC is a 385 series head with chevy exhaust ports... There are plenty of options out there if someone is interested in doing something other than Chebby power...

I thought maybe I was missing something with the engine itself that sets it apart from all of the other boats...

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[Uncle Dave]

I wont get there with a small block unless its a 5-600CI small block. Then its so much money its smarter to just buy a big block.

In terms of whats in those picts- thats some exceptionally stock crappy stuff that wont flow jack squat.


Where can find I the ford version of these and what do they cost?
How long before I place an order to when I get them?

What will your guy build a set of 2.375 ID tubes for? looks like 10K for the cheb.

I don't think that " it can't be done" I just think that its a lot harder to do.


UD