Performance Engine Build...

**Uncle Dave** · 11-08-2014, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by 2manymustangs

Disclaimer, my OP was made tongue in cheek...

My hope is that someone would DEbunk the total BS that I put into that post, with real info...

Pretty sure thats whats going on hoss....

Next question is- can anyone really build an outdrive friendly marine ford?

They seem a lot like bigfoot and atlantis.

I see fuzzy pictures and stories but never see the real thing at the lake or in the ocean.

UD

**gn7** · 11-08-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave

Pretty sure thats what going on hoss....

Next question is- can anyone really build an outdrive friendly marine ford?

They seem a lot like bigfoot and atlantis.

I see fuzzy pictures and stories but never see the real thing at the lake or in the ocean.

UD

There's been couple built using BBF. Volvo used Ford 351s in front of their King Cobra drive

Merc/GMC just has a lock on the market.

You don't see a lot of v-drives either. BBF are jet motor engines

**Uncle Dave** · 11-08-2014, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by gn7

There's been couple built using BBF. Volvo used Ford 351s in front of their King Cobra drive

Merc/GMC just has a lock on the market.

You don't see a lot of v-drives either. BBF are jet motor engines

Now that you remember it I mention those "casper milquetoast" factory combos back then.
Buddy had a 4 winns liberator 201 with a ford cobra I thought was cool when I had no money.

Im saving for a 3rd "engine" that will fit both my rides. Seem like lots of potential from the F troop, but nobody that has a combo seems to be on these threads.

Never see em in Marina Del Rey, Long Beach, Havasu, Parker, Mead, Mojave... To bad as it seems the right guy could give me a roaring bastard of a mill.

UD

**2manymustangs** · 11-08-2014, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by gn7

Great!! Now what do I do with the 2X rod bearings I bought trying to get to .050.
Why isn't this thread in the engine tech forum where it belongs. Oh, maybe because there isn't one???

Im glad to see that my subtle humor wasn't lost on EVERYONE ^^^...

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave

Pretty sure thats whats going on hoss....

Next question is- can anyone really build an outdrive friendly marine ford?

They seem a lot like bigfoot and atlantis.

I see fuzzy pictures and stories but never see the real thing at the lake or in the ocean.

UD

BroHAM, this (from CNC motorsports) is the 347 build I was telling you about. He gives up quite a bit of the secrets on his cam specs and I think that the customer gives up even more of the cam details in the comments. I have slightly less duration, slightly more lift and around 110-112 lobe separation from an off the shelf hydraulic roller (using a top quality lifter).

Add another 55-75 cubic inches and......

**Uncle Dave** · 11-08-2014, 10:36 AM

Not a single wet exhaust build thats running in a boat.
Then running wide open in said boat till the tanks run dry.

All dyno shots. That I can find-

Where are the Ford powered boats outside of Jet and V?

UD

**Uncle Dave** · 11-08-2014, 10:59 AM

Don't feel bad Mustang. It could be worse. You could be an LS/ LSX fan.

The LS guys are still kinda the same place as that platform glacially creeps into boating.

Every chevy guy on the planet swears they can build them for nothing and that they last forever at full output.

But I never see them in boats.

Took Ilmor a full year from announcement to put out a packaged mill on that platform and they said the oiling system flat out wasn't up to up to the task without major work, but you never hear the backyard guy mention that.

Seems everyone else knows better than Ilmor though.

UD

PS: ....this oughta "rile up the place"

**gn7** · 11-08-2014, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave

Not a single wet exhaust build thats running in a boat.
Then running wide open in said boat till the tanks run dry.

All dyno shots. That I can find-

Where are the Ford powered boats outside of Jet and V?

UD

Glad to see there is another person aside from myself that isn't woooo'd by dyno vids.
Problem as I see it is things like decent offshore type exhaust manifolds, Custom tube exhaust is a fortune, No readily available front accessory drives packages. The 460 and 351 blocks will a ton of power, and the engine parts are available. Just a lack of decent marine exterior pieces to do it at reasonable cost.

**Uncle Dave** · 11-08-2014, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by gn7

Glad to see there is another person aside from myself that isn't woooo'd by dyno vids.
Problem as I see it is things like decent offshore type exhaust manifolds, Custom tube exhaust is a fortune, No readily available front accessory drives packages. The 460 and 351 blocks will a ton of power, and the engine parts are available. Just a lack of decent marine exterior pieces to do it at reasonable cost.

Yup - the ratio of chevy to ford for headers and manifolds is huge.

The ratio for "real tubes" is even "huger".

Tubes and tails for my V10 cost a heart stopping 7K retail but thats what it takes to get an NA pump gas mill to 1.38HP perCI and still be tractable with decent idle quality.

I fear replacement day like a protracted root canal.

Mustang anybody got a kaase mill on a set of tubes yet?

UD

**2manymustangs** · 11-08-2014, 06:04 PM

I had to do some fab/engineering on my front/rear mounts but was able to score most all parts needed from one guy on eBAY that had a decent set of wet/vdrive 429/460 bassets, timing cover, magnaflow pump, bellhousing. I have less than 1k in all the parts needed to convert my sanger from bbC to BBF including new flexplate and new PTO flange.

I'm a poor boy and have to shop at the second hand store...

I'm not exactly WOOOOed by the dyno pull videos but it's good enuff proof for me that I can get a solid 500HP out of my 347 with the right tune/cam that will purrrrr like a kitten... With my 4:11 gears and the viper spec T56 six speed it will be WAY more than a hand full...

There were some decent fords running at Long Beach over the years, one of the most memorable I recall was the little Lavey "Nutmegger" that was running a windsor ford I believe (maybe it was a cleveland, not sure)... Sharpshooter or GN7 may know what kind of ford mill he was running but I can tell you it was no slouch...

We could always take a trip to see Joe Sherman and you could continue down the SBC path since already have the SBC hardware... http://www.joeshermanracing.com/347_..._combo_16.html

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