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[gn7]

Heres something to consider about the above rules. Look at the differences between SS and PS, and then consider that the top running SS run well enough to usually beat most of the PS boats, and have won the PS championship numerous times. In fact the PS championship this year will go to a legal SS boat. Those SS guys have their shit together.

[WESTERNAERO]

Heres something to consider about the above rules. Look at the differences between SS and PS, and then consider that the top running SS run well enough to usually beat most of the PS boats, and have won the PS championship numerous times. In fact the PS championship this year will go to a legal SS boat. Those SS guys have their shit together.

Isn't that generally the case with most "limited engine mod" racing? The guys restricted need to learn the finite ways of making power. And the unlimited guys just buy the best off the shelf parts and expect to make big power. Plus there is a lot of power to be made up in rotating weight of everything. Maybe the SS guys have a better handle on this idea.

[Sharp shooter]

Isn't that generally the case with most "limited engine mod" racing? The guys restricted need to learn the finite ways of making power. And the unlimited guys just buy the best off the shelf parts and expect to make big power. Plus there is a lot of power to be made up in rotating weight of everything. Maybe the SS guys have a better handle on this idea.

My humble view concerning the SS vs PS debate is multi faceted.

First, the popularity of the ss class brought in some big money teams in the late 90's. The competition was on a heightened level. The top 3 or 4 teams would spare no expense and experiment with a wide variety of rigging, hull and propeller technologies that hadn't been explored before. Because of this (and some great drivers) the boats and the class excelled.

At the same time, ps became the step child class. I'd even venture to say that ps was a better starter class than ss at one time (before the 80mph nostalgia class took hold). With the less restrictive rules, the performance potential is higher in ps but rarely would you see a boat in that class utilizing every means available to push the limits of the class and driver skill also plays a huge part.

IMO, if Gordon Jennings and David Rankin were to focus as much effort on a PS boat as they do on SS-80 it would never loose to a Super Stock boat unless the drivers were unparalleled.

[WESTERNAERO]

My humble view concerning the SS vs PS debate is multi faceted.

First, the popularity of the ss class brought in some big money teams in the late 90's. The competition was on a heightened level. The top 3 or 4 teams would spare no expense and experiment with a wide variety of rigging, hull and propeller technologies that hadn't been explored before. Because of this (and some great drivers) the boats and the class excelled.

At the same time, ps became the step child class. I'd even venture to say that ps was a better starter class than ss at one time (before the 80mph nostalgia class took hold). With the less restrictive rules, the performance potential is higher in ps but rarely would you see a boat in that class utilizing every means available to push the limits of the class and driver skill also plays a huge part.

IMO, if Gordon Jennings and David Rankin were to focus as much effort on a PS boat as they do on SS-80 it would never loose to a Super Stock boat unless the drivers were unparalleled.

That's interesting, I didn't know there was an ongoing debate about this. I go to long beach every year to watch and that's about all I know about the circle boats.
However, what Bob was saying reminds me of almost all roundy-round racing. And to your point, I think a lot of racers enjoy the more limited classes because of the competitive nature of it. I would guess the SS boats have 20 times the money, time and experience invested than the PS.

[Sharp shooter]

I am not sure, but I am going to Bob Pattersons shop in a few days. I will try to see what kind of info I can dig up.

I do know this picture has been around for a while

Domonic Cotroni circa 1936 @ LB Marine stadium

Ya I have a copy of that pic. That was the guy. It was Domonics buddy who made the comment (if the magazine is correct).

[gn7]

Ya I have a copy of that pic. That was the guy. It was Domonics buddy who made the comment (if the magazine is correct).

that's the guy that work for Joe Mandella!!! Great pic Andrew. That's a right click save photo right there.
I think the trailer is made of 2 by lumber.