The really "Old School" boating thread

[Sharp shooter]

Not really. the first one I poached a couple years ago from a thread on PB. The LBMS pics I tripped over looking for info on Marion Beaver's "Gummy" hydros for a friend whos dad(Wayne Thompson) that drove the Uncle Gummy hydro, when Bob Ellis was driving the Gummy's Ghost hydro.
The guys with the old flat is from Glen L's "news letters" There is some pretty cool pics buried in the site, You just have to dig for them because they are buried in years of news letters.
The Mandella that Nordskog is driving still exists in resides in Palos Verdes, I believe with Bob's bother in law.

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

I can't really see the people in those pics. The profile shot looks like an 18 Hallett maybe...? I got nuthin.

[gn7]

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

I can't really see the people in those pics. The profile shot looks like an 18 Hallett maybe...? I got nuthin.

Sorry Jerry, didn't see that you had responded to these pics.
That's a pic of the first 21ft Rayson cruiser. It has the crown deck like Devines as opposed to the more common flat ski deck.
That's Rudy driving, I have no idea who is with him.

[Sharp shooter]

Sorry Jerry, didn't see that you had responded to these pics.
That's a pic of the first 21ft Rayson cruiser. It has the crown deck like Devines as opposed to the more common flat ski deck.
That's Rudy driving, I have no idea who is with him.

Oh ok. So aside from Maxies 1 of a kind 59 model (yeah right...), which boat was the first 19'6" GN hull? The first one I see in the magazines is the Edelbrock boat in '68 I think. Or were the big flatbottoms first?

[gn7]

Not really. the first one I poached a couple years ago from a thread on PB. The LBMS pics I tripped over looking for info on Marion Beaver's "Gummy" hydros for a friend whos dad(Wayne Thompson) that drove the Uncle Gummy hydro, when Bob Ellis was driving the Gummy's Ghost hydro.
The guys with the old flat is from Glen L's "news letters" There is some pretty cool pics buried in the site, You just have to dig for them because they are buried in years of news letters.
The Mandella that Nordskog is driving still exists in resides in Palos Verdes, I believe with Bob's bother in law.

Heres a little piece of history for you. You know what this is a picture of?
I wish it was larger, but this is how I received it, and don't think the original pic is very big. maybe 3X5 max. This is the first time I have ever posted these online.

Oh ok. So aside from Maxies 1 of a kind 59 model (yeah right...), which boat was the first 20.5 GN hull? The first one I see in the magazines is the Edelbrock boat in '68 I think. Or were the big flatbottoms first?

The 20ft v bottom was before the flat. The first flat was the wood deck yellow and blue one he won the Orange Bowl 250 in 1969 with the injected Boss 429. I posted a pic of it earlier in this thread.

Interestlngly, the very first V bottom GN hull win was the 1967 Outboard World Championship in Havasu with 3 Mercs driven by Rudy, Ron Larson and Michael Reagan.
But I believe you are correct that the first inboard powered 20 ft GN was Vic's "Big Red E" at the Elsinore 500

Rudy swore the 20ft V bottom is nothing more than the Allison hull cut down and straked. When built the flat for the Orange Bowl in 69, he just threw a "false" bottom into the mold to flatten it out. Who is I to doubt it. Sounds possible.




Vic in the Big Red E and Butch Patterson in Rudy's Phfft



Vic at the 68 Elsinore 500. Kam Nelson was the trophy girl.

[Sharp shooter]

The 20ft v bottom was before the flat. The first flat was the wood deck yellow and blue one he won the Orange Bowl 250 in 1969 with the injected Boss 429. I posted a pic of it earlier in this thread.

Interestlngly, the very first V bottom GN hull win was the 1967 Outboard World Championship in Havasu with 3 Mercs driven by Rudy, Ron Larson and Michael Reagan.
But I believe you are correct that the first inboard powered 20 ft GN was Vic's "Big Red E" at the Elsinore 500

Rudy swore the 20ft V bottom is nothing more than the Allison hull cut down and straked. When built the flat for the Orange Bowl in 69, he just threw a "false" bottom into the mold to flatten it out. Who is I to doubt it. Sounds possible.




Vic in the Big Red E and Butch Patterson in Rudy's Phfft



Vic at the 68 Elsinore 500. Kam Nelson was the trophy girl.

Thanks for the info Bob.

Doesn't the GN actually measure 19' 6" and they call it a 20? I'm a cloudy on the details. What about the decks, there's at least 2 and one drops down in the front.

I interviewed Rudy (one of many times) and we got on the subject of these bottoms and he said the same thing to me about the U-9 having the same bottom. I peaked under the boat and thought, it sure doesn't look the same, but I wasn't going to question King Rudy. lol

Where's the Edelbrock boat now?

[RPB]

Very nice thread gentlemen...cheers

[Sharp shooter]

Very nice thread gentlemen...cheers

Hey brother, welcome to HB.

[gn7]

Thanks for the info Bob.

Doesn't the GN actually measure 19' 6" and they call it a 20? I'm a cloudy on the details. What about the decks, there's at least 2 and one drops down in the front.

I interviewed Rudy (one of many times) and we got on the subject of these bottoms and he said the same thing to me about the U-9 having the same bottom. I peaked under the boat and thought, it sure doesn't look the same, but I wasn't going to question King Rudy. lol

Where's the Edelbrock boat now?

Yeah, the 20 GN measure right around 19'2" to the transom. The deck that is flat across the dash rise and doesn't have the cut down gunnels is the early deck, as well as the "latest" deck if you get one from Cucci, who has the mold mine, Kenny's, and Art's was pulled from. That mold is a splash off Jackson's boat.

Rex Phillips is also laying up the "early" deck in CF and epoxy. Not sure how he came to have the mold, or what/who's was splashed from. The new GN running, Black Jack GN 21 is out Rex's mold and rigged using measurements from mine.

The white hull below was laid up by Schiada. Not sure who is behind the making of these, but I think Wally(Armo Navy) has a something to do with it. I believe its a splash off the Yosemite Sam boat.

Now you can get a 20ft Rayson from 3 sources now, and both the early and late deck.

Rudy told me he went to the later deck with the peak to "update" the boat, and to make it match the 21ft cruiser when he tooled that, and decided to go back to the cut down gunnels of the flat bottoms. So really, in my mind, the later GN is a cross of "old school" cut down gunnels, and new dash rise.

If I could tool a NEW deck, it would have the cut down gunnels, and a flat deck rise ala an early LP.
I don't care the peak on the deck, and I like the cut down gunnels.

Boat laid up by Schiada, I have no idea where this boat is.



CF and epoxy hull laid up by Rex Phillips. I like to buy this hull. Price is right too!


As for what happened to Edelbrocks Big Red E. That's an interesting question. I talked to Vic about a couple years ago at one of his benefit car shows he has, and he said it went to so Africa. This article by Mel Zikes during that period backs that up. However, Steveo tells me he knows a guy that had it, or still does. I think there may have been more than one. My understanding is, the one that won the Elsinore 500 in 68 went to So Africa.
This is kind of an interesting article because it also answers the earliern question of the 20 V verses the 20 flat, running or winning the first race. Well, it talks about Vics V bottom GN winning and being sold, and of Rudy and Ron Larsons recent win at the Orange Bowl 250, which was won by the yellow and blue Boss powered flat, a year later, and both wins were firsts for both hulls. If you don't count Rudy using a 20ft V to win the World Outboard Championship in Nov of 67(a few months before Vic's win)

[Sharp shooter]

Ok, Bob so whats up with Bonicis's Deck? His boat goes way back I think.

The Yosemite Sam was a successful boat back when. Is it still down south in the heart of moonshine country.