Parker 300

[rivergames]

Hey Bob, You mean to tell me rules were changed so you can't get GN points? NO Way! never heard of that happening before

[KAP]

Well this has been a very informative thread.

I still have a lot of questions which remain unanswered.

1. Why would a promoter not want the GN boats to run at their event?

2. I would think a final season race for points at this event is a draw for any group of racers.

A. What were the obstacles between the parties that excluded GN boats from running?

3. I disagree with the premise that purse money is not a factor. I have never encountered a racer who is already committed to a season of racing say....Hey! I came for the points and decline the purse money. If I had 10K in purse money for first place you would have teams coming out of the woodwork scrambling to sign up. Thus, one can only conclude that points and purse is icing on the cake.

4. RD did respond to my question about payouts and indicated the purse money was in excess of 6K. However, they need to describe how that will be paid out and the sums. Also listing participants is important to me if you have a lot of guys racing it draws people to the event.

As for the old guard that was the base of this race... change is difficult to accept. Therefore, concessions need to be made but the West Coast needs this race. Why! well there is no other endurance race on the west...other than perhaps the Catalina Ski Race...there was the Rum run awhile back but it faded into history.

I for one would love to see this race happen every year and have a desire to participate with an entry of mine. However, I certainly would not spend the resources if the rules change yearly or at the whim and agenda of a particular group. Then again politics and boat racing is synonymous with each other.

KAP

[pvhca1]

GN7, got no beef with you, but you need to chill on the shit talking about RD, either confront him like a man or let it go. Too be honest if you talked shit like this about me I'd kick your ass. Doesn't matter if you disagree with his ideas etc etc, the 7th grade pissing match needs to go away. If he's talking shit about you I must have missed it, I did see you start this whole thing months back when he started the Enduro thread. Let it go, put your emotions to good and positive use and maybe figure out what's best for the race's future.

[HB Vic]

GN7, got no beef with you, but you need to chill on the shit talking about RD, either confront him like a man or let it go. Too be honest if you talked shit like this about me I'd kick your ass. Doesn't matter if you disagree with his ideas etc etc, the 7th grade pissing match needs to go away. If he's talking shit about you I must have missed it, I did see you start this whole thing months back when he started the Enduro thread. Let it go, put your emotions to good and positive use and maybe figure out what's best for the race's future.

I don't think I saw anywhere where anyone said anything about kicking anyone's ass until now. No need for personal threats ok. Thanks in advance.

[pvhca1]

I don't think I saw anywhere where anyone said anything about kicking anyone's ass until now. No need for personal threats ok. Thanks in advance.

Vic, never made a threat READ my post.

[HB Vic]

Vic, never made a threat READ my post.

I read your post very carefully. Thanks again.

[pvhca1]

I read your post very carefully. Thanks again.

Your welcome!!

[H2oSki2Fast]

GN7, got no beef with you, but you need to chill on the shit talking about RD, either confront him like a man or let it go. Too be honest if you talked shit like this about me I'd kick your ass. Doesn't matter if you disagree with his ideas etc etc, the 7th grade pissing match needs to go away. If he's talking shit about you I must have missed it, I did see you start this whole thing months back when he started the Enduro thread. Let it go, put your emotions to good and positive use and maybe figure out what's best for the race's future.

Shit talking? The way I see it, it's only shit talking if it isn't true.

[gn7]

Hey Bob, You mean to tell me rules were changed so you can't get GN points? NO Way! never heard of that happening before

YES YES YES
I will say this AGAIN, we Ted Kolby(Inboard Endurance Chairman), Ben Morrone, Terry Valore, and myself,(I.E. commissioners) and Roger Carr(APBA Region 12 cahirman) and one of RD cling-ons(Mike 138 on the boards) all sat down for over 4 hours hammer out the rules BEFORE THEY WERE EVER POSTED ON RDP. and we could not come to a means to allow the race to be a sanctioned APBA race for ANY class except GPS 95. Because GPS 95 is the ONLY APBA class with a speed limit.
All previous 300s had a SINGLE course speed limit that no boat was allowed to exceed. Everybody saw this as a restriction for the Nordic, but the truth is, it applied to ALL boats including Teague and Gary H. It was a speed high enough that no GN was likely to exceed in 300 mile race with the engine restrictions we have. So it never imposed a problem.
However RD has from day one, even with his old mass start race format INSISTED on class speed limits. I know why, and he has his reasons. That's cool, its his race to run as he likes. But when he makes a rule for one reason, it can have its effects on what is REALLY A RACE for some boats.

As of this very moment, in fact up until Friday night before the race, nobody, not Scott, not RD can tell anybody what there speed limit will be. They cannot really tell you what you handicap and start time will be. They have no clue until Friday night. So a GN enters the race, and the speed limit is 85 or 90, and a GN exceeds that, he is penalized a lap. ANDREW, YOU EVER BEEN PENALIZED FOR GOING TOO FAST IN A APBA RACE?? Have you EVER seen a APBA boat penalized for going too fast? Can you cite be the rule that allows the penalizing a boat for going too fast? I you were penalized for going too fast, would you protest the ruling?
Do you watch a speedo or clock to make sure you do not go too fast in a race?

In 4 hrs of talks, plus another hour on the phone with Scott 2 weeks ago, they could not come up an agreeable speed limit, or a solution to the problem that was agreeable with RD so we are where we are. No inboard endurance sanction for points for either GNs or CJs.