I know nothing other than going to the River for Vacation, youngest of 7 all siblings are the same way. my Dad went with his Brother (Uncle Walt) to Lake Millerton in 1948 he was a Freshman at Excelsior high school and he took a buddy with him. If anyone knows Kenny Meyers from B&K boats in Bellflower, he was the buddy with my Dad. We have been going as a family ever since. This last August we celebrated my folks 60th wedding anniversay at the river with about 90 friends all from the river and we had 4 generations at the party on the water. The river is great for keeping families together, at least it has worked out for us, all 3 of my kids were in the boat at under a year old.