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[Ziggy]

Can we throw religion into the mix?

Why does religion cause so much turmoil in the world? Could religion itself be a big problem many overlook? What are the actions of many people controlled by?...Religions!

Is what we were told to believe all bullshit?

Historically it is the cause of the majority of wars. Wtf do you think jihad is? The middle east has been riddled with religious wars, some decades long. Isreal in the middle of a bunch of Muslims tossing rockets at each other forever. The perfect storm brews there regularly.
Marraige is similar. Shoes are not a religion...lmao

[niceguyeddie]

Historically it is the cause of the majority of wars. Wtf do you think jihad is? The middle east has been riddled with religious wars, some decades long. Isreal in the middle of a bunch of Muslims tossing rockets at each other forever. The perfect storm brews there regularly.
Marraige is similar. Shoes are not a religion...lmao

Christians of all people trip me out the most. They blindly support politicians that get us into these huge wars. The US government has been exploiting the Christians for years and the Christians are too "blinded by faith" to see it.

All I know is this: If there is a god, I am sure he'd forgive me for not believing in him, as he would see how unlikely he himself seems.

[314joey]

I agree religion has been the cause of millions and millions of deaths over recorded history,................... all religions,............................ but 95% of them have changed with modern times and have stopped all the atrocities expect one, I'll let you figure out which one it is, but it's the one still beheading people and ruthlessly slaughtering innocent people, I'm done.

[2manymustangs]

I agree religion has been the cause of millions and millions of deaths over recorded history,................... all religions,............................ but 95% of them have changed with modern times and have stopped all the atrocities expect one, I'll let you figure out which one it is, but it's the one still beheading people and ruthlessly slaughtering innocent people, I'm done.

Joey, not directed at you but all of the statements about "religion" and war and politics...

I would like to go all the way back back back in time, prior to the birth of Chirst...

There were wars and slavery and oppression long before the birth of Christ...

The term "Christian" = "Christ Like" = "Christos" (translation from the Hebrew) = "The Anointed One"

The "Christian" Church begins as described in Acts 1 & Acts 2 by Luke (the Gentile historian and physician) at and just before the Day of Penticost when the Holy Sprit enters the picture and the "Christian" church grew daily (followers of Jesus Christ teachings)...

Prior to this time the followers of Christ were in small numbers and were both jews and gentiles...

Many many killings were done after some factions of the "Church" decided that they could / should / were called to kill/murder in the name of Christ/God... THis was not ALL followers of Christ but only a select few factions...

IMHO these were not followers "rightly dividing" the word as described by Paul in 2 TImothy 2:15...

Paul describes the Christian life as follows in the book of Galatians 5, you decide if the MURDERERS/MUZZIES/ Crusades/Commies from N.Vietnam/Imperial Japan/Nazi Germany/Syria/Iran/Iraq were following any form of Christianity or the Torah-Pentatuch/Septuagint (old testament):

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

[gn7]

Many many killings were done after some factions of the "Church" decided that they could / should / were called to kill/murder in the name of Christ/God... THis was not ALL followers of Christ but only a select few factions...

All the "religion" conflicts, including those today, pale in comparison of the wars fought 18th, 19th, 20th centuries. Virtually none of which had ANYTHING to do with religion,

Consider this, in one night in Tokyo Japan, 150,000(our estimate) to 350,000(the worlds estimate) died in a single night. And we did it. Thee bombs were childs play compared to that.

Christianity stated rough 4AD, Islam rough the 7th century AD. All of the deaths due to both is a mere drop compared to Alexander the Great, Khan, and the Romans before either religion began.

Blaming religion is only due to what people see TODAY.

[76Bonneville]

Consider this, in one night in Tokyo Japan, 150,000(our estimate) to 350,000(the worlds estimate) died in a single night. And we did it. Thee bombs were childs play compared to that.

Just had to post on this. My Grandmother lost 5 siblings on that night, along with all her nieces and nephews. Most of her family was gone after that bombing.

[gn7]

Consider this, in one night in Tokyo Japan, 150,000(our estimate) to 350,000(the worlds estimate) died in a single night. And we did it. Thee bombs were childs play compared to that.

Just had to post on this. My Grandmother lost 5 siblings on that night, along with all her nieces and nephews. Most of her family was gone after that bombing.

I am VERY sorry to hear that. It was civilian murder in the highest degree. They bombed the perimeter of Tokyo so nobody escape, then bombed the interior.
Curtis Lemay stated after words, we better win this thing, or I will tried for war crimes.

Again it saddens deeply me to read your post.

[2manymustangs]

All the "religion" conflicts, including those today, pale in comparison of the wars fought 18th, 19th, 20th centuries. Virtually none of which had ANYTHING to do with religion,

Consider this, in one night in Tokyo Japan, 150,000(our estimate) to 350,000(the worlds estimate) died in a single night. And we did it. Thee bombs were childs play compared to that.

Christianity stated rough 4AD, Islam rough the 7th century AD. All of the deaths due to both is a mere drop compared to Alexander the Great, Khan, and the Romans before either religion began.

Blaming religion is only due to what people see TODAY.

Here is a PERFECT example of the misconception of BAD religion...

I realize that this event in Nanking was very small potatoes in comparison to some of the loss of life in other areas/times/events BUT it underscores the misconception of how Christians cause or propagate war/hate/political agendas "blindly"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Christian servants that helped save lives, prevent murders and chronicle the events while risking/sacrificing their own lives...

The peaceful Imperial Japan:

Massacre contestMain article: Contest to kill 100 people using a sword

In 1937, the Osaka Mainichi Shimbun and its sister newspaper the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun covered a "contest" between two Japanese officers, Toshiaki Mukai (向井敏明) and Tsuyoshi Noda (野田毅), both from Island troops, the Japanese 16th Division, in which the two men were described as vying with one another to be the first to kill 100 people with a sword before the capture of Nanking. From Jurong to Tangshan (two cities in Jiangshu Province, China), Toshiaki Mukai had killed 89 people while Tsuyoshi Noda had killed 78 people. The contest continued because neither of them had killed 100 people. When they got to Zijin Mountain, Tsuyoshi Noda had killed 105 people while Toshiaki Mukai killed 106 people. Both officers supposedly surpassed their goal during the heat of battle, making it impossible to determine which officer had actually won the contest. Therefore (according to the journalists Asami Kazuo and Suzuki Jiro, writing in the Tokyo Nichi-Nichi Shimbun of December 13), they decided to begin another contest, with the aim being 150 kills.[43] The Nichi Nichi headline of the story of December 13 read "'Incredible Record' [in the Contest to] Behead 100 People—Mukai 106 – 105 Noda—Both 2nd Lieutenants Go Into Extra Innings".

After Japan surrendered, Toshiaki Mukai and Tsuyoshi Noda were arrested and executed by shooting in Nanking with the criminal charge “Civilized Public Enemy”.[44]


RAPE:

The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[47] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[48] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[49] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo, or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.[50]

On 19 December 1937, the Reverend James M. McCallum wrote in his diary:

I know not where to end. Never I have heard or read such brutality. Rape! Rape! Rape! We estimate at least 1,000 cases a night, and many by day. In case of resistance or anything that seems like disapproval, there is a bayonet stab or a bullet ... People are hysterical ... Women are being carried off every morning, afternoon and evening. The whole Japanese army seems to be free to go and come as it pleases, and to do whatever it pleases.[51]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Magee_(missionary)


SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in summary,

with regard to the political statements/thread, I am fed up with the self-serving / self-righteous DEMONCRATS/media/Oprah/Matt Damon’s that claim to be so concerned human welfare/human well-being and yet they don’t care enough about human life to get the story right and present an accurate picture of the history of world affairs / foreign affairs... I’m also fed up with the MINIONS that blindly follow the commies/demoncrats/progressives/Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson/Baroooch OlameO…

There will be wars/conflicts and the NEED for the U.S. to intervene, get used to that... Some of the NEEDS are real, some are fabricated or trumped up but there will be evil guys like Bashar al-Assad for many decades to come AND shitty countries like Russia that will pander to their "cause" just so they can make a buck or make a "strategic" alliance...

Done…

[2manymustangs]

lol.....

crack on me if you like BUT if someone was spreading a bunch of MISinformation about setting up a drive or buildng the bottom end of a engine or giving bad info on buying a house/finance/loan info/investment info wouldnt you want someone to step up and set the record straight?

What you choose to believe OR not belive is between you and God but I feel the need to keep it parsed out and try to prevent these misconceptions/blanket statements/stereotypes that lead to widespread MISunderstanding of history/events/religion/politics WHEN given the opportunity like this thread...

[gn7]

Historically it is the cause of the majority of wars. Wtf do you think jihad is? The middle east has been riddled with religious wars, some decades long. Isreal in the middle of a bunch of Muslims tossing rockets at each other forever. The perfect storm brews there regularly.
Marraige is similar. Shoes are not a religion...lmao

If you research it, that's a misconception. The 2 deadliest wars in history had nothing to do with religion. The US civial war was not about religion, nor Viet Nam, or Korea, Roman Empire, Alexander the Great, Russian Revolution, French, and American Revolutions, and Genghis Kan. What was the reason for the Indian wars? Its the same no matter how far back you go.
The number one reason is LAND and power. Not saying religion hasn't responsible for wars and deaths. Specially with one particular. But its far from the most common reason for war.
Blaming religion is a modern day phenom, and complete bullshit.