Not a single wet exhaust build thats running in a boat.
Then running wide open in said boat till the tanks run dry.
All dyno shots. That I can find-
Where are the Ford powered boats outside of Jet and V?
UD
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Not a single wet exhaust build thats running in a boat.
Then running wide open in said boat till the tanks run dry.
All dyno shots. That I can find-
Where are the Ford powered boats outside of Jet and V?
UD
Don't feel bad Mustang. It could be worse. You could be an LS/ LSX fan.
The LS guys are still kinda the same place as that platform glacially creeps into boating.
Every chevy guy on the planet swears they can build them for nothing and that they last forever at full output.
But I never see them in boats.
Took Ilmor a full year from announcement to put out a packaged mill on that platform and they said the oiling system flat out wasn't up to up to the task without major work, but you never hear the backyard guy mention that.
Seems everyone else knows better than Ilmor though.
UD
PS: ....this oughta "rile up the place"
Glad to see there is another person aside from myself that isn't woooo'd by dyno vids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
Problem as I see it is things like decent offshore type exhaust manifolds, Custom tube exhaust is a fortune, No readily available front accessory drives packages. The 460 and 351 blocks will a ton of power, and the engine parts are available. Just a lack of decent marine exterior pieces to do it at reasonable cost.
Yup - the ratio of chevy to ford for headers and manifolds is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn7
The ratio for "real tubes" is even "huger".
Tubes and tails for my V10 cost a heart stopping 7K retail but thats what it takes to get an NA pump gas mill to 1.38HP perCI and still be tractable with decent idle quality.
I fear replacement day like a protracted root canal.
Mustang anybody got a kaase mill on a set of tubes yet?
UD
I had to do some fab/engineering on my front/rear mounts but was able to score most all parts needed from one guy on eBAY that had a decent set of wet/vdrive 429/460 bassets, timing cover, magnaflow pump, bellhousing. I have less than 1k in all the parts needed to convert my sanger from bbC to BBF including new flexplate and new PTO flange.
I'm a poor boy and have to shop at the second hand store... :)
I'm not exactly WOOOOed by the dyno pull videos but it's good enuff proof for me that I can get a solid 500HP out of my 347 with the right tune/cam that will purrrrr like a kitten... With my 4:11 gears and the viper spec T56 six speed it will be WAY more than a hand full...
There were some decent fords running at Long Beach over the years, one of the most memorable I recall was the little Lavey "Nutmegger" that was running a windsor ford I believe (maybe it was a cleveland, not sure)... Sharpshooter or GN7 may know what kind of ford mill he was running but I can tell you it was no slouch...
We could always take a trip to see Joe Sherman and you could continue down the SBC path since already have the SBC hardware... http://www.joeshermanracing.com/347_..._combo_16.html
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I guess this shot over your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
BTW, the boat in the pictures you posted couldn't make over 350HP if the dyno was aimed downhill
Ok, how about this one then.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gn7
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Next time you're in L.A. we will sit down over donuts and I will explain to you the difference between jet, v drive and I/O.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
Now stop being a jerk trying to defend your cherished Fords.
Doughnuts? Promise? Carson & Orange has the best...Quote:
Originally Posted by gn7
:D
Only if you promise to stop being a dimwitted child about Fords in I/Os.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2manymustangs
I can post pics of Olds, Pontiac, Buick and Mopar jets and v drives. Doesn't make any of them suitable or friendly for I/O use. It would just make me an idiot.
Seriously, I don't think you can help yourself, so I am not going to hold my breath about the donuts.
I love V drives, and thats a bitchin rig in your post.
I even find jets a good time on the lower river if a bit expensive on fuel - and if looking to power rigs like that I would be open to all sensible alternative power to chebby.
I also get that lots of guys think you can't have a "hot boat" without a vdrive, or a jet because I/O Imposes too many restrictions.
Thing is I have 2 outdrive boats now and need a 3rd mill for the inevitable, and because its simply time for a new project, and it has to have enough manners to swap into either, with enough beans to shove a 30ft boat around.
My small block's pretty stout, but would have a hard time shoving that 2750 around with authority, so I was thinking something well mannered with about 600HP.
I'm open to a Ford Setup that would work. If someone - anyone- can show me some actual examples in a boat vs. on a dyno.
I just can't find any wet exhaust combos that idle at (or better yet below) 1K, and stabilize at low RPM load, at least that anybody is willing to talk about.
Just about any builder can make any mill roar with -0- manner or fuel restrictions - hell I can do that.
It's kind of a bummer I know they can rock balls and hold up.
I just hate pioneering combos in boats, and prefer to do what guys have already proven.
I'm not convinced Shermans kid is the builder the old man was. I've seen more than one "oil burner" come out of Shermans shop.
Im also not convinced in my situation it pays to "get different" , but I'm all ears and ready to learn should guys with experience ever decide to step out of the shadows.
UD
On another front - That box-o-doghnuts you showed up with the morning of the evo test run was killer - whoever pumped those babies out was a true doughnut connoisseur
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I've always thought it would be fun to grab a 302 powered tri hull I/O off Craigslist ($1000 range) and swap in a 5.0 out of an 87-93 stang for the Enduro. I would run straight zoomies until the drive blew. :D
http://santamaria.craigslist.org/boa/4673455995.html
What's that, part of a trolling motor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotboat
Pretty much these days yes lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HotWater
Then theres these.....
Not quite the same thing.
UD
just my kinda twisted fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp shooter
UD
I've got just the TRIhull for you since your bowtie inclined (it's got a chebby inline six)... It's in my barn and has a long history of ........... Well, lets just say the name of the boat should be HOT DATE or HOT NIGHT or HOT MESS and not HOT BOAT... Prolly still a few scratch and sniff stains on the back deck too... :leghump:Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
Ok, i'll nibble... Aside from the mild cam/idle quality desire of Uncle AND the need for a decent low RPM IDLE to shift the I/O in and out of gear AND having a nice BROAD torque curve with peak HP all done before say 6500RPM WHAT is so special and unique about a I/O engine???Quote:
Originally Posted by gn7
I'm pretty sure the shotgun ford pic I posted is an old Lavey, I thought Uncle would enjoy seeing THAT combo since he is a Lavey guy PLUS the earlier questions/comments about "FERDS in marine applications"...
You want to start with the exhaust, and then move on to all the front mount accessories like water pump, power steering, hyd pump for the O/D, bell housing to O/D, drive hub, and drive system for the accessories, etc etc. Its not the engine itself that makes a marine engine, its all the shit you have to hook to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2manymustangs
A lot of Buicks & Caddys were used in the 60s. Ever seen a set of offshore type manifolds for an outdrive for them. They were "marine" engines.
Stop the goof ball shit Bruce. Show me you are smarter than this.