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Well Paul killed this thread! :D
Right.. He always screws shit up with facts... :angry-smiley-018:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mateo
The devils advocate... To side in with Paul...
WHile my son and I love IN N OUT and there are several things about their business plan/model that I like... My wife and daughter dont eat there, they dont like it...
AND with the small menu there is nothing at IN N OUT for my wife/daughter... SO, I'm assuming there are many other families out there that suffer the same fate and end up making TWO stops (a second down the street at McDonalts/JackNthebox/Carls to satisfy everyone)...
Because I know that IN N OUT's beef is top shelf and FRESH I would pay more for their burger...
The attitude and appearance of the servers/staff is the deal breaker for me... Some locations of McD. are soooo sloppy and the staff is UNfriendly... Blech... It frosts my balls to hand the cashier my $$$ for warmed up BLECH that I couldn't get my wife/daughter/son to eat at home... And they have a lousy attitude when they serve it up...
I have never had a bad server experience at IN N OUT but the lines can be so long that it's a turn off...
The probably with your argument is that while everything you said had me seriously thinking...you said "it frosts my balls" and I couldn't stop laughing, so everything after that became blurred. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 2manymustangs
I was going to "fix it" for him but it's too early to start that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Chaps my azz??? :wink2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
It's in the Urban Dictionary therefore perfectly legit... :wink2:Quote:
Originally Posted by WESTERNAERO
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They don't stay there, that's for sure, I made more than $10 an hour there in the late 90's. I am pretty sure I would be over $15 if you adjusted for the inflation, etc. Paul broke it down very well about the In N Out business model, but its not like it can just quickly be adopted by any other chain. Its an entire company culture, the average tenure of an employee won't instantly come to 3 years as opposed to what the industry average is over night. As I have said before, I have no problem with someone in FF getting that kind of money, but if I owned a restaurant and was paying that, pretty much everyone that would have already worked there would be out of a job and I would get the cream of the crop from the local high school and college. Its the people that make INO successful. Everyone knows that there are 100 other kids that want your job, so if an internal motivation to do whatever you do to the best of your ability isn't there, good old fashioned supply and demand will kick your butt into high gear if you want to keep the best gig in town. I hope if I have kids one day they will at least work a year or 2 at a store to learn about great company culture and "how" to work, and work well with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by 28eliminator
First, Paul, you said you own two franchises? Which ones sir?
Second, these are not meant, nor have they ever been meant, to be careers. They are high school kids jobs. I worked at a Carl's Jr. during high school and it sucked balls. then I went to Pizza hut, and it was worse. How anyone can even begin to consider that a long term vocation is beyond my feeble brains ability to comprehend. Which brings me to In 'n Out. I love them I do. For a variety of reasons. first, nothing says river trip to me like a double double on the way out of town before we hit the freeway. Before that, it was Worlds best off the 91 at Imperial...anyone remember that place? With the picnic tables out there...good Lord they made a great burger...but they are long gone. Back to In n Out. It's the people. Period. They don't hire just anyone, they hire kids with their shit in one sock. good, clean cut, all American kids with good helpful personalities, with a desire to serve and help. The people make the place, not the food. Well, maybe the food also..LOL...but you can go to any In n Out and find the same caliber of kids working there, and that is what brings folks back. As Paul knows, all In n Out's are privately held, to my knowledge they do not offer franchises, which lets them keep things pretty much the way they want them to be. No dumbass franchisee's to deal with. This is a winning combination, as can be viewed by massive lines at the drive through no matter where the location may be. People recognize and seek out quality. Raising the wage to 15 might not dent In n Out too much...but everyone else will pass the costs on through the food. A seven dollar big mac? Never.
Personally, they can wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills faster. They will never get 15 bucks an hour, no one will allow it, there is no real support for it. this is a union push for members by promising something to them that is not realistically attainable. To me, 15 an hour will never happen. The folks who think they can have a career and raise a family as I have seen on the reports, are delusional. It will never happen. My double double is out there somewhere, and all this burger talk has me thinking road trip. I'm out.
Bruce, just get on board and do like everyone else that ain't happy...sue the franchise to put other stuff on the menu!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2manymustangs
Sounds like discrimination against the wife and daughter to me.......I'll PM you Eli's number.....
I remember Worlds Best very well with the picnic tables, it was an occasional treat after a soccer game/ baseball game kinda thing. I always find it amusing that after having an In 'N' Out burger for a work meal for 4+ years of my life, 5 times a week, I still crave it occasionally. I have friends that I worked with at the Placentia store that have gone the corporate route or maintenance route within the company, and still do as well. For them, we are talking like 17+ years of weekly consumption :) That's how good a burger it is :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tishimself
They made a chocolate shake I still have never been able to find the equal of....and the burgers, BIG..they fed you, that's for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by chevellesb406
You have it all wrong ...it's "chicken discrimination" not wife and kid :DQuote:
Originally Posted by thatguy
You don't have to PM him my number...my firm is a Hotboat.com advertiser. We are on the top banner :)
I know cheap plug ;)
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I think he owns a Twisted Kilt and a Hooters. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tishimself
Yup. And the workers don't realize that after their newly found dues, they will only be grossing $8.75/hour. At least for the ones that will still have a job. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tishimself
Not to throw a wrench in to things, but if McDonalds wants to pay their workers $15/hr to flip burgers, more power to them. If they do, their challenge would be to somehow remain competitive with the other chains. It really isn't my problem.
Now if the government tries to step in and force FF joints to pay their workers $15/hr, well, fuck that. Now the problem just became all of ours.
As far as McDonalds as a career? Who are we to say that's a bad thing? There are people out there who, for whatever reason, may have chosen McD's as their career path. Maybe McD's is around the corner from them and they don't have transportation. Maybe they just can't hold down any other type of job. Or maybe they're just happy campers working at McD's:D I don't look down at these people, in fact, at times I envy them.
Here's a little food for thought (pun intended). I don't think I've ever seen a McDonalds close their doors. So if McD's person "A" can pull down say $18-20/hr as a manager for 20 years full time, that's almost $800K in income, not including any benefits or overtime. Now enter person "B". Person "B" says he'll never work at McD's for $18/hr, decides to work construction for $30/hr, no benefits, on and off (literally 50% of the time) for 20 years. Person "B" would earn approx. $167K less than the burger flipper.
Different strokes.
Much like White Castles, they could put a McDonalds 20 miles off of Hwy 10 half way between PHX and Quartzite and it would NEVER close it's doors... They do survive, somehow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotboat
And I don't disagree with you. To this point. That it should the choice of the company what wage they pay their employees, not have their hands forced by some union thugs trying to reel in more members. If McDonalds and other FF chains voluntarily raise their wages, good on them. But this method of arm twisting and public shaming is embarrassing to those of us on here who are union members. And yes,, I include myself in that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotboat
If it wasn't for the Big Mac, my hangovers would suck! So, I'm grateful to the people who make the oh so yummy...two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun! When I'm hungover they always make me feel better...that and a Bloody Mary ;)
In and Out created the protein burger so I love them too!
Tommy's was our childhood treat and reminds me of the times my mother, sisters and I drove there (it was far and there was only a standing area outdoors) for a burger and chili cheese fries and those yummy peppers.
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:D...:thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotboat
Sorry....I'll work on that, I keep forgetting I'm on the internet :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 28eliminator