Hallett gel coat???

[2FORCEFULL]

whats the deal? did hallett have the worst gel coat ever?? or am I just lucky to get all the bad ones...every one I get has problems... my newest to me, the deck is all checked... the boat has less than 300 hrs and was garage kept...most all the others I've had all had yellowed stains on the white parts...one 210 I got had popping little blisters all on the botton... I was told it was caused by boating at lake arrow head...??? wtf....I wonder what the fix will be for the vector I have....wonder how far you would have to strip the gel to get all the checking out...so it won't come back...that and how would you do it to not make it all wavy ... I'm super stoked to find the vector...but bummed with the gel...that was a big reason for selling the 270...it needed all new gel coat...and to do it right.. you would need to completely strip the boat to bare hull and go to work...I would guess the ticket on a job like that would be quite spendy, and when done the boat would not be worth any more

[2FORCEFULL]

well, here's what I think...gel coat is a mechanical bond....that means that every time you spray it , it a new layer ... so , if the first layer, the layer that was sprayed in the mold. followed by the layers of glass, was sprayer in the window of time that is allow.... it becomes one..if not sprayed in time.... it becomes multiple layers.... right.... kinda like auto paint...with the exception of lacquer... which is a chemical bond... with lacquer, all the layers become one, that why lacquer will check because it's sprayer too thick, or not the right mixture of solvents...when lacquer checks , you have to strip it to bare metal and start over...

that's what I think is going on with this hallett...the checking is all the way down into the fiber glass...I'm not so sure it can be fixed proper as to where it won't come right back.... sure would like some input here from those in the know of a repair like this..I bought this boat sight unseen ,probley paid too much, but a guy could just leave it...but between the 3 of us 2ff's... two don't like it and wanna fix it , while one says... it's ok...the area is almost all white...but... that might be a tough match, hallett white tends to yellow and gray....so matching it would be tough.. as to not be able to tell it was fixed... the only way to fix gel coat proper is to panel spray, which means you have to spray to an edge to burry the gel...blending is a Band-Aid...and will sooner or later come back to haunt you..like the last hallett I had... the whole boat needed new gel coat... there was blending every where... and the gel was fanned out so thin that it died from the sun..maybe I'll put up some pics of the damage if there is any interest here.... my only hope is that the deck had been re sprayed some time in it's life.... that would be a mechanical bond and you would be able to sand out the checks...if not... they are all the way into the fiber glass... wish GELcoater from the other board would post over here as he is steeped in knowledge of the gel coat process..

[HB Vic]

I'd give Billy B a call. If anyone knows, he knows.

[2FORCEFULL]

I'd give Billy B a call. If anyone knows, he knows.
I think everyone tried to reply at once and it blocked this thread...surely some one here knows about gel coat repair...but thanks, I'll try to call...do you know a number?

[HB Vic]

909-982-8555


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[RCDave]

Give Kevin at KMG Boats a call. He is a master at this stuff

[H20GZM]

Why not Imron or something comparable? Gel coat is Gel coat.. Imron is harder.. I'm no expert but arent there alternatives?

[2FORCEFULL]

Why not Imron or something comparable? Gel coat is Gel coat.. Imron is harder.. I'm no expert but arent there alternatives?
it seems to me in my dealings when you say boat, and painted... people seem to frown... which is better?..who knows...but I have owned boats that were painted...not much difference..other than an all original gel out of the mold will last longer if done right...when you paint a boat...things happen... one of which is you have a then layer over the gel..foreign products that don't mate... to paint a boat it is a mechanical bond which means you have to rely on the sand scratches to have the bond to the hull...... prone to the elements of how well it's prepped .... back in the day that was the only way to get a real custom job... now the evo painters can do some pretty amazing gel design.... I might be wrong here.. but I think cigarette boats are painted after they come out of the mold...

[76Bonneville]

I've had 2 boats regelled and for the most part I'm very happy with them. The issues is gelcoat doesn't flex, so if it's a little thick it will crack. Much harder to control the second time around.
I would consider paint the next time. Labor on gel is intense.
Most of the East Coast boats are paint.

[2FORCEFULL]

I've had 2 boats regelled and for the most part I'm very happy with them. The issues is gelcoat doesn't flex, so if it's a little thick it will crack. Much harder to control the second time around.
I would consider paint the next time. Labor on gel is intense.
Most of the East Coast boats are paint.

It would be nice to know the history of this hallett, for some reason I'm led to believe that at some point the deck was re gelled...that causing the checking..but.. it's also my opinion that the checking goes all the way into the fiberglass.. I used to own a body shop, when I would come across this on corvette's they would have to be stripped down to the glass, I would then feather fill the car, block the shit out of it and then prep for paint...most people would just leave it as is ...but that's not me..the checking will eat at me ...maybe sell it as is and move on..it's a nice nice boat other wise...but would never go to the next level...67198

[76Bonneville]

Just curious, did you buy from a private party or off a small used car lot?
That boat has been on CL multiples times over the last few years.

[2manymustangs]

I've had 2 boats regelled and for the most part I'm very happy with them. The issues is gelcoat doesn't flex, so if it's a little thick it will crack. Much harder to control the second time around.
I would consider paint the next time. Labor on gel is intense.
Most of the East Coast boats are paint.

Yeeeeep, ^^^^ what I know about GEL would half fill a thimble... As I understand, the GEL is just colored poly resin which by itself isn't the toughest stuff in the world, especially if the film is thick... AND it's not really good when it comes to UV rays/sun...

On most all of the boat floors/flow coat/wood decks/paint, a high performance automotive clear urethane is the first pick for UV/color holdout...

[stoker22405]

It would be nice to know the history of this hallett, for some reason I'm led to believe that at some point the deck was re gelled...that causing the checking..but.. it's also my opinion that the checking goes all the way into the fiberglass.. I used to own a body shop, when I would come across this on corvette's they would have to be stripped down to the glass, I would then feather fill the car, block the shit out of it and then prep for paint...most people would just leave it as is ...but that's not me..the checking will eat at me ...maybe sell it as is and move on..it's a nice nice boat other wise...but would never go to the next level...67198

And there is your answer

[2FORCEFULL]

Just curious, did you buy from a private party or off a small used car lot?
That boat has been on CL multiples times over the last few years.

private party...

[2FORCEFULL]

so, I have owned upwards of 20 halletts..jets to 270's... of the 20 ... everyone of them had gel issues...cracking, yellowing, fading, checking, bad repairs that the OG owners swore that they came from hallett that way... I have 3 in my stable right now... all 3 have issues....am I just too picky,... or just that lucky???

and the color combos are horrible.... but then, I'm more suttle. gray and red, gray and blue, gray and yellow, gray and orange...I've even own'd all white...

[Gelcoater]

well, here's what I think...gel coat is a mechanical bond....that means that every time you spray it , it a new layer ... so , if the first layer, the layer that was sprayed in the mold. followed by the layers of glass, was sprayer in the window of time that is allow.... it becomes one..if not sprayed in time.... it becomes multiple layers.... right.... kinda like auto paint...with the exception of lacquer... which is a chemical bond... with lacquer, all the layers become one, that why lacquer will check because it's sprayer too thick, or not the right mixture of solvents...when lacquer checks , you have to strip it to bare metal and start over...

that's what I think is going on with this hallett...the checking is all the way down into the fiber glass...I'm not so sure it can be fixed proper as to where it won't come right back.... sure would like some input here from those in the know of a repair like this..I bought this boat sight unseen ,probley paid too much, but a guy could just leave it...but between the 3 of us 2ff's... two don't like it and wanna fix it , while one says... it's ok...the area is almost all white...but... that might be a tough match, hallett white tends to yellow and gray....so matching it would be tough.. as to not be able to tell it was fixed... the only way to fix gel coat proper is to panel spray, which means you have to spray to an edge to burry the gel...blending is a Band-Aid...and will sooner or later come back to haunt you..like the last hallett I had... the whole boat needed new gel coat... there was blending every where... and the gel was fanned out so thin that it died from the sun..maybe I'll put up some pics of the damage if there is any interest here.... my only hope is that the deck had been re sprayed some time in it's life.... that would be a mechanical bond and you would be able to sand out the checks...if not... they are all the way into the fiber glass... wish GELcoater from the other board would post over here as he is steeped in knowledge of the gel coat process..

Good morning, Steve.
First post on HB, and I'm a computer moron so I hope this sticks.

You've covered a lot here so I'll try to hit as much as I can.
First, your idea of mechanical bond is wrong.
It is indeed a chemical bond. The gel and resin are essentially the same product but the gel is a bit more refined and has pigments to make color. It also has a thicotipic element added to keep it from sagging/drooping when applied.

Gelcoat is air inhibited, it won't completely dry on top unless it has a surface agent added.
It's this way on purpose to aid in that secondary bond you were right about.
As far as a "window of time" to apply the glass I don't think I buy that.

The gel would prerelease from the mold before that happened. That would cause the boat to come out of the mold looking warped because the gel wasn't tight to the mold where ever it released.

As far as this checking you describe I'm not sure exactly what you mean?
Can you post a few close up pics?

[Gelcoater]

so, I have owned upwards of 20 halletts..jets to 270's... of the 20 ... everyone of them had gel issues...cracking, yellowing, fading, checking, bad repairs that the OG owners swore that they came from hallett that way... I have 3 in my stable right now... all 3 have issues....am I just too picky,... or just that lucky???

and the color combos are horrible.... but then, I'm more suttle. gray and red, gray and blue, gray and yellow, gray and orange...I've even own'd all white...

Again, can you post some pics?

[2manymustangs]

Good morning, Steve.
First post on HB, and I'm a computer moron so I hope this sticks.

You've covered a lot here so I'll try to hit as much as I can.
First, your idea of mechanical bond is wrong.
It is indeed a chemical bond. The gel and resin are essentially the same product but the gel is a bit more refined and has pigments to make color. It also has a thicotipic element added to keep it from sagging/drooping when applied.

Gelcoat is air inhibited, it won't completely dry on top unless it has a surface agent added.
It's this way on purpose to aid in that secondary bond you were right about.
As far as a "window of time" to apply the glass I don't think I buy that.

The gel would prerelease from the mold before that happened. That would cause the boat to come out of the mold looking warped because the gel wasn't tight to the mold where ever it released.

As far as this checking you describe I'm not sure exactly what you mean?
Can you post a few close up pics?

Im anxious to sit/read/learn... Thanks for joining in this discussion and WELCOME to HB!!! :)

[2FORCEFULL]

Again, can you post some pics?
Man.... I have been try'n to talk to you for quite some time... I read your gel coat 1&2 and ended up with questions, one of which is where are you now???? havasu???
I have the upmost respect for you and your knowledge of both halletts and gel coat... it's cold and windy in Vegas... but I'm gonna go snap a pic of the deck of the vector,... I even read what you had to say about repairs, and what you said about the 270 that had some gel issues..pretty spot on... but again I might need some more clarification on the mechanical VS chemical bond... If it's a chemical bond you'd be able to feather a gel repair and never have an issue.... like capping..

[2FORCEFULL]

Im anxious to sit/read/learn... Thanks for joining in this discussion and WELCOME to HB!!! :)

X2, this guy knows an awful lot, and if he shares priceless ....I was try'n to get to him before I sold the 270, as he's the one that would tell you straight on the real fix....my fix was a for sale sign

[2FORCEFULL]

Again, can you post some pics?

here's a link to the yellow issue on the 270 hallett


http://www.hotboat.com/frm/showthread.php?t=8441

[2manymustangs]

X2, this guy knows an awful lot, and if he shares priceless ....I was try'n to get to him before I sold the 270, as he's the one that would tell you straight on the real fix....my fix was a for sale sign

It he is who I think he is, he knows his shizzy backwards, forwards and inside out...

True story related to repairs with GELCOAT, when it comes to a PRO. I recieved and installed a new one piece "Aquaglass" 60" shower bath some years back and didn't notice a small factory defect down low until it was installed and impossible to remove/replace... The factory had a repair guy in the midwest that did their warranty repairs and I was flabbergasted at how quickly and how PERFECTLY the repair was made with GELCOAT, and to this day still is impossible to detect where he feathered out/blended/color match... SO, I know there are guys out there that can do it...


:popcorn:

[2FORCEFULL]

Again, can you post some pics?


this is what I got...

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[2FORCEFULL]

It he is who I think he is, he knows his shizzy backwards, forwards and inside out...

True story related to repairs with GELCOAT, when it comes to a PRO. I recieved and installed a new one piece "Aquaglass" 60" shower bath some years back and didn't notice a small factory defect down low until it was installed and impossible to remove/replace... The factory had a repair guy in the midwest that did their warranty repairs and I was flabbergasted at how quickly and how PERFECTLY the repair was made with GELCOAT, and to this day still is impossible to detect where he feathered out/blended/color match... SO, I know there are guys out there that can do it...


:popcorn:
gel coat is a whole different animal out in the havasu sun

[2manymustangs]

gel coat is a whole different animal out in the havasu sun

agreed that UV is a HUGE issue / factor