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riverrunner1984
09-14-2015, 05:33 PM
So being boatless at the river last weekend really got me motivated to get the old boat going....
Boat is a 1995 19ft commander jet with a 454. Hoping to get some help from all of you with ideas and advise.
I am going to be doing this on a budget so that it will last me about 2 or 3 seasons before I upgrade.
As you can see I stripped out all the interior and most of the hardware.
First order of business.....
Should I wet sand and polish keeping the same old school 1995 color or regel all white with grey trim???
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Engine is covered since it's supposed to rain.
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314joey
09-14-2015, 05:36 PM
I love old school......but I'm the only guy I know who doesn't text also...............lmao.
Keep us in the loop with the update, good luck.
ChumpChange
09-14-2015, 05:42 PM
Wet sand what you got. Not bad and keep it on the budget.
RVRKID
09-14-2015, 05:50 PM
I would think wet sanding would be your best bet and would probably really make the boat look good. I think stripping and painting would cost quite a bit more.
riverrunner1984
09-14-2015, 06:16 PM
Ok so I know this is a craigslist add but I have spoken to this guy and saw a bunch of his work.
I am thinking of having him come give me a quote.....Has anyone by chance had any dealings with this guy?
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mas/5221081932.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mas/5207608218.html
Both adds are different and have a lot of pictures of the guys work.
Looking forward to the update pics!
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rioracr
09-15-2015, 06:55 AM
something says RR is wanting to change the look, if in budget do it, if not get to sanding and buffing...............:happy:
riverrunner1984
09-15-2015, 07:36 AM
something says RR is wanting to change the look, if in budget do it, if not get to sanding and buffing...............:happy:
I would prefer the white with gray trim but since I'm only planning on keeping it for a couple more years I may just wet sand. The guy from CL said he would come out look at the boat and tell me what each option would cost.
Also need all new interior and a couple swim steps.
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2manymustangs
09-15-2015, 08:26 AM
Ok so I know this is a craigslist add but I have spoken to this guy and saw a bunch of his work.
I am thinking of having him come give me a quote.....Has anyone by chance had any dealings with this guy?
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mas/5221081932.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mas/5207608218.html
Both adds are different and have a lot of pictures of the guys work.
I've seen some pretty amazing GEL restorations, if the guy knows what he is doing... You could always set up a test/sample before you go ALL IN, so you know your going to be pleased with his work...
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riverrunner1984
09-15-2015, 08:30 AM
I've seen some pretty amazing GEL restorations, if the guy knows what he is doing... You could always set up a test/sample before you go ALL IN, so you know your going to be pleased with his work...
:)
Didn't you suggest I try and pull the fuel tanks out to clean them or do you think it is ok to leave them.
As you can see, they are kind of foamed in. I could always cut the foam out....
2manymustangs
09-15-2015, 08:47 AM
Didn't you suggest I try and pull the fuel tanks out to clean them or do you think it is ok to leave them.
As you can see, they are kind of foamed in. I could always cut the foam out....
Is it possible to get some close up pics of how the gas tanks are set up? I would always remove them and flush them if its possible/feasible... At a minimum I wouild drain/flush them depending on how the boat is set up...
riverrunner1984
09-15-2015, 08:50 AM
Is it possible to get some close up pics of how the gas tanks are set up? I would always remove them and flush them if its possible/feasible... At a minimum I wouild drain/flush them depending on how the boat is set up...
Ok cool thanks. I will try and get pics this afternoon or tomorrow depending on when this rain lets up.....Yes it is actually raining in CA lol
2manymustangs
09-15-2015, 09:04 AM
Ok cool thanks. I will try and get pics this afternoon or tomorrow depending on when this rain lets up.....Yes it is actually raining in CA lol
Thank God for small miracles :D
Your only option may be to jack the hitch end of the trailer up and put a long length of hose on your tank outlets THEN use a few gas cans to flush/drain the tanks, letting all the gunk/wata settle into one can (it will separate and settle/end up in the bottom of the gas can)...
NO SMOKING!!!!!!!
Hey RR, if you color sand and polish the existing gel it will look great right after its done, however once it sees the sun it will return to its existing state, I know its not the popular answer but it would be a shame to do all the work, put it back together and wind up where you started. Re gel done right is expensive but will last you or the next guy a long time which adds value to your boat. If you go the Re gel route make sure they really know what they are doing. If you would like any help, please feel free to pm me.
Busti
09-15-2015, 11:58 AM
Order the kit from Boat Candy and cut and buff it yourself.
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Hey RR, if you color sand and polish the existing gel it will look great right after its done, however once it sees the sun it will return to its existing state, I know its not the popular answer but it would be a shame to do all the work, put it back together and wind up where you started. Re gel done right is expensive but will last you or the next guy a long time which adds value to your boat. If you go the Re gel route make sure they really know what they are doing. If you would like any help, please feel free to pm me.
That's interesting. Would you mind explaining why the color will return to the existing state?
How much would a re-gel cost and how much value would it add?
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riverrunner1984
09-15-2015, 02:20 PM
Order the kit from Boat Candy and cut and buff it yourself.
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Just looked up these products and it doesn't look to bad.
Maybe I will give them a call and see what they recommend in regards to products I need to purchase.
Im pretty sure I can find a cheaper polisher on Amazon but pads and polish may be good from them.
Ziggy
09-15-2015, 02:30 PM
Cut/buff or colorsand/buff will do it wonders. Gel is not like a clear coat paint, it'll retain its luster with normal maintenance much better. Keeping the original colors will benefit it most I think. My 1994 commander had the exact colors as yours.:thumbup:
riverrunner1984
09-15-2015, 03:21 PM
Cut/buff or colorsand/buff will do it wonders. Gel is not like a clear coat paint, it'll retain its luster with normal maintenance much better. Keeping the original colors will benefit it most I think. My 1994 commander had the exact colors as yours.:thumbup:
Is this your old boat. I saw it while cruising craigslist last night...http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bod/5221251697.html
Ziggy
09-15-2015, 03:46 PM
Is this your old boat. I saw it while cruising craigslist last night...http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bod/5221251697.html
Nope, mine was a 20.
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Busti
09-15-2015, 04:32 PM
Just looked up these products and it doesn't look to bad.
Maybe I will give them a call and see what they recommend in regards to products I need to purchase.
Im pretty sure I can find a cheaper polisher on Amazon but pads and polish may be good from them.
I would just light cut and buff. Then wax the chit out of it. You said you're only keeping it for a few years. It's not that bad. If you re gel the entire boat you'll never get that money back. But $500 in material and your sweat in labor will pay for its self.
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Waterheater
09-15-2015, 05:26 PM
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I used boat candy on mine and it looks great! Get a good orbital buffer and pads. Makes it a lot easier.
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MrDenton
09-15-2015, 07:36 PM
My opinion is just that, an opinion. But being that I went through this 3 years ago I'll throw this out there. That boat is field stripped to basically a bathtub. If you're planning on repainting it then do it now. If you put it all together then I'm pretty sure the last thing you'll want to do is pull it all down again. Paint it white and put some vinyl on it for some color and put it together. Sitting on the beach sucks!!!!!!! Get that old girl on the water.
That's interesting. Would you mind explaining why the color will return to the existing state?
How much would a re-gel cost and how much value would it add?
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Eli,
Gelcoat is petroleum based and once it dries out from the sun and chemical damage it becomes pours. Wet sanding and polishing helps close up the pours and seals the gelcoat giving it a nice new shine, but only for a short period of time. You can repeat the process but eventually you will sand through the color. An interesting fact is apply peanut butter to dry faded out gelcoat, wipe away and it will look new again from the oils.
As far as cost goes it all depends on how much work is involved. Use RR's boat as an example it could be from $5k to $10k to have it done properly. can it be done for cheaper? sure but you pay for what you get.
Value is determined by the end user, re gelcoating your boat will not add value to NADA. However if said end user is purchasing a boat they would gladly spend more on a boat that has already been restored.
Eli,
Gelcoat is petroleum based and once it dries out from the sun and chemical damage it becomes pours. Wet sanding and polishing helps close up the pours and seals the gelcoat giving it a nice new shine, but only for a short period of time. You can repeat the process but eventually you will sand through the color. An interesting fact is apply peanut butter to dry faded out gelcoat, wipe away and it will look new again from the oils.
As far as cost goes it all depends on how much work is involved. Use RR's boat as an example it could be from $5k to $10k to have it done properly. can it be done for cheaper? sure but you pay for what you get.
Value is determined by the end user, re gelcoating your boat will not add value to NADA. However if said end user is purchasing a boat they would gladly spend more on a boat that has already been restored.
Thank you!!!
If you re-gel coat it doesn't that have the same potential of fading with sun and chemical exposure? Or am I missing something?
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Thank you!!!
If you re-gel coat it doesn't that have the same potential of fading with sun and chemical exposure? Or am I missing something?
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All gelcoat will eventually have the same fate, best solution is to store indoors.
All gelcoat will eventually have the same fate, best solution is to store indoors.
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. I find this stuff very interesting. [emoji5]️
The first time I met TBI, he taught me how to pick out a good paint job from a bad one. Now, I'm always trying to touch people's boats lol.
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Brian
09-16-2015, 11:25 AM
Let me know if you're interested in having the pump gone through, or want pricing on any rigging hardware. When I left Rex Marine a few years ago, I started my own marine parts and rigging/repair business and have been slowly growing it over the past year or so.
I'm also a dealer for Boat Candy too if you decide you wanna go that route =)
Brian
714-686-0053
Midnight Performance
riverrunner1984
09-16-2015, 12:19 PM
Let me know if you're interested in having the pump gone through, or want pricing on any rigging hardware. When I left Rex Marine a few years ago, I started my own marine parts and rigging/repair business and have been slowly growing it over the past year or so.
I'm also a dealer for Boat Candy too if you decide you wanna go that route =)
Brian
714-686-0053
Midnight Performance
As a matter of fact, I need a couple items.
Swim step....Single or a pair with brackets (depending on the price of course)
Flip up bow light....Maybe LED or regular, depending on the price
ski tow
I think the color is anodized or brushed......whatever the silver looking finish is.
Do you work on place diverters? I need 2 hoses from the pump to the jet
As a matter of fact, I need a couple items.
Swim step....Single or a pair with brackets (depending on the price of course)
Flip up bow light....Maybe LED or regular, depending on the price
ski tow
I think the color is anodized or brushed......whatever the silver looking finish is.
Do you work on place diverters? I need 2 hoses from the pump to the jet
Are the brackets the ones with the step that pulls down?
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riverrunner1984
09-16-2015, 12:47 PM
Are the brackets the ones with the step that pulls down?
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I dont need the step as my boat is low enough profile to the water line, one can easily get on the step.
Im thinking along the lines of this pic.
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I dont need the step as my boat is low enough profile to the water line, one can easily get on the step.
Im thinking along the lines of this pic.
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Ok so long as you're willing to help lift my short ass up on those steps I'm good. [emoji23][emoji23]
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Brian
09-16-2015, 02:00 PM
As a matter of fact, I need a couple items.
Swim step....Single or a pair with brackets (depending on the price of course)
Flip up bow light....Maybe LED or regular, depending on the price
ski tow
I think the color is anodized or brushed......whatever the silver looking finish is.
Do you work on place diverters? I need 2 hoses from the pump to the jet
Yes I can get all of that. I'l send you a pm about the steps.
Brian
09-16-2015, 02:33 PM
Actually, you need to clear out your PM'S:angry-smiley-018:
2manymustangs
09-16-2015, 02:41 PM
Actually, you need to clear out your PM'S:angry-smiley-018:
his BOX is full... :lmao1:
Toolman
09-16-2015, 04:04 PM
Ok so long as you're willing to help lift my short ass up on those steps I'm good. [emoji23][emoji23]
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Come on Miss Eli, with that killer bod u could grab that boat by the swim steps and throw it across the lake!!! Right 2many?
riverrunner1984
09-16-2015, 04:15 PM
Actually, you need to clear out your PM'S:angry-smiley-018:
There is space now....
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Brian
09-16-2015, 04:45 PM
PM sent
Come on Miss Eli, with that killer bod u could grab that boat by the swim steps and throw it across the lake!!! Right 2many?
You're hilarious! The killer bod you're referring to isn't mine lol
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Bobbytheboozer
09-17-2015, 05:10 AM
Hey Brian (riverrunner), if you need an extra set of hands, shoot me a text or call 909-660-2146. If I am free, I'm right up the street
riverrunner1984
09-17-2015, 05:57 AM
Hey Brian (riverrunner), if you need an extra set of hands, shoot me a text or call 909-660-2146. If I am free, I'm right up the street
Will do. Thanks bro, I appreciate it! [emoji482]
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Brian
09-17-2015, 10:38 AM
You get my PM? Site was giving me trouble.
riverrunner1984
09-17-2015, 11:48 AM
You get my PM? Site was giving me trouble.
Yes, I will reply in a bit. thank you!
riverrunner1984
09-17-2015, 04:51 PM
Ok, so I'm thinking I'm going to polish it myself since it's only for a couple years.
However, there are a couple places I think I need some gel work. 1 on each side as well as a couple on the bottom of the boat. In addition I'm going to need some holes filled where my old swim step used to be.
Does this look like a big project to have done professionally?
What can I expect to spend fixing these minor issues?
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Brian
09-22-2015, 08:55 AM
The purple is going to be tough to match with the gel in that condition. I would try to revive an area of the purple and then wait about a week to see if it's going to "chalk back over". If it goes foggy again, then the gel is dead and you won't be able to clean it up. If it stays shiny and clear, then you can look into the repair. Just from your pics and previous quotes from my fiberglass guy, you are looking at about $1500-$1700. Hope that helps!
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