Tony Stewart...

[MrDenton]

Woke up to a few messages from some friends telling me Tony Stewart killed someone last night. Been a fan of Tony since he was a kid. Accident or not, it's a career and life changing event.
http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/police-investigating-sprint-car-incident-involving-three-time-nascar-champion-tony-stewart-081014

[GRADS]

Bad deal all around. Have you seen the video? I like Tony Stewart but it looks like he swerved to hit the guy.

[gn7]

They need to write a rule that says if the car isn't on fire, you keep your ass in the car until track personnel get there. This bullshit of getting out of your car so you flip the guy off, or throw your helmet is the one of to most unprofessional things I see in "professional" racing.
Don't ne surprised if you see a similar rule written after this.

[Stainless]

Bad deal all around. Have you seen the video? I like Tony Stewart but it looks like he swerved to hit the guy.


They need to write a rule that says if the car isn't on fire, you keep your ass in the car until track personnel get there. This bullshit of getting out of your car so you flip the guy off, or throw your helmet is the one of to most unprofessional things I see in "professional" racing.
Don't ne surprised if you see a similar rule written after this.

Agreed.

[Wendi]

They need to write a rule that says if the car isn't on fire, you keep your ass in the car until track personnel get there. This bullshit of getting out of your car so you flip the guy off, or throw your helmet is the one of to most unprofessional things I see in "professional" racing.
Don't ne surprised if you see a similar rule written after this.
Agreed.

[GRADS]

I think Tony should be brought up on manslaughter charges.

[wsuwrhr]

They need to write a rule that says if the car isn't on fire, you keep your ass in the car until track personnel get there. This bullshit of getting out of your car so you flip the guy off, or throw your helmet is the one of to most unprofessional things I see in "professional" racing.
Don't ne surprised if you see a similar rule written after this.

Actually it has already been a rule, as long as I have been racing.

Brian

[Stainless]

I would like to see some video or pictures from right side of Stewarts car. I doubt any exists.
Even though Ward exited the car and put his life on the line I think Stewart could have avoided this. Tony Stewart may be the only person to ever know what happened on the right side.

[riverrunner1984]

I would like to see some video or pictures from right side of Stewarts car. I doubt any exists.
Even though Ward exited the car and put his life on the line I think Stewart could have avoided this. Tony Stewart may be the only person to ever know what happened on the right side.

I agree it could have been avoided.
I watched the video a few times yesterday and kept replaying the moment of the accident and it looked like he swerved right after he clipped him....the whole situation is just sad

[Paul65K]

They need to write a rule that says if the car isn't on fire, you keep your ass in the car until track personnel get there. This bullshit of getting out of your car so you flip the guy off, or throw your helmet is the one of to most unprofessional things I see in "professional" racing.
Don't be surprised if you see a similar rule written after this.
I agree with this :thumb:

[240Hallett]

I agree it could have been avoided.
I watched the video a few times yesterday and kept replaying the moment of the accident and it looked like he swerved right after he clipped him....the whole situation is just sad

More speculation...maybe the car swerved BECAUSE he clipped him??

[riverrunner1984]

More speculation...maybe the car swerved BECAUSE he clipped him??

Very good point! Never thought of that....I don't really follow racing so I can even pretend to know how those operate. I would just hate to think the hit was intentional.

[The Doctor]

How ever you view it, this is a tragedy - a real tragedy.
Tony is emotional. He has been aggressive throughout his career and he's gone as far as to intentionally wreck a lot of others on track.
Fact is, he's even wrecked others in the pits to make a point (see Jeff Gordon.) Anger management is nothing new to him.

I find it ironic (yet tragic) that this happened to the very guy who has often left his NASCAR vehicle on the track to confront passing drivers like Ward did. He's gone as far as throwing his helmet at them (see Matt Kenseth) yet this is the very behavior that got Ward killed.

I don't believe for a single minute that Tony would intentionally hit another on track with his car. Not for a minute. I watched one video about a dozen times last night with some others and it is crystal clear that Tony accelerated just as he believed he was passing Ward. I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that it was Tony's intention to cover this kid in mud but his car reacted to the acceleration by sliding further right in the rear, catching, and ultimately killing, Ward.

Prayers go out to the entire Ward family and to Tony as he copes with the result of his actions. It's only one man's opinion but only his celebrity can save him from some responsibility in this deal. Good news for Tony, he's got a lot of celebrity points saved up.

[Wendi]

How ever you view it, this is a tragedy - a real tragedy.
Tony is emotional. He has been aggressive throughout his career and he's gone as far as to intentionally wreck a lot of others on track.
Fact is, he's even wrecked others in the pits to make a point (see Jeff Gordon.) Anger management is nothing new to him.

I find it ironic (yet tragic) that this happened to the very guy who has often left his NASCAR vehicle on the track to confront passing drivers like Ward did. He's gone as far as throwing his helmet at them (see Matt Kenseth) yet this is the very behavior that got Ward killed.

I don't believe for a single minute that Tony would intentionally hit another on track with his car. Not for a minute. I watched one video about a dozen times last night with some others and it is crystal clear that Tony accelerated just as he believed he was passing Ward. I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that it was Tony's intention to cover this kid in mud but his car reacted to the acceleration by sliding further right in the rear, catching, and ultimately killing, Ward.

Prayers go out to the entire Ward family and to Tony as he copes with the result of his actions. It's only one man's opinion but only his celebrity can save him from some responsibility in this deal. Good news for Tony, he's got a lot of celebrity points saved up.
I couldn't agree more. Very tragic indeed.

[Stainless]

How ever you view it, this is a tragedy - a real tragedy.
Tony is emotional. He has been aggressive throughout his career and he's gone as far as to intentionally wreck a lot of others on track.
Fact is, he's even wrecked others in the pits to make a point (see Jeff Gordon.) Anger management is nothing new to him.

I find it ironic (yet tragic) that this happened to the very guy who has often left his NASCAR vehicle on the track to confront passing drivers like Ward did. He's gone as far as throwing his helmet at them (see Matt Kenseth) yet this is the very behavior that got Ward killed.

I don't believe for a single minute that Tony would intentionally hit another on track with his car. Not for a minute. I watched one video about a dozen times last night with some others and it is crystal clear that Tony accelerated just as he believed he was passing Ward. I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that it was Tony's intention to cover this kid in mud but his car reacted to the acceleration by sliding further right in the rear, catching, and ultimately killing, Ward.

Prayers go out to the entire Ward family and to Tony as he copes with the result of his actions. It's only one man's opinion but only his celebrity can save him from some responsibility in this deal. Good news for Tony, he's got a lot of celebrity points saved up.

100% agree Doc, and I'd like to add that Stewart admitted he was the fault of a 15 car pileup that left a girl with a broken back on this same track. I think this happened one year ago.

I want to clarify my point, Stewart didn't do it on purpose but he had malicious intentions and things turned tragic. Kevin Ward should never have exited his car to confront Stewart either!
Bottom line, Stewart has made many more laps in his career and should have avoided this tragic outcome.

[Ziggy]

Tragic.:(
The real truth is, we will never know what intentions Tony really had, if any.....only he will. Something he will either loose sleep over.... or not if his conscience is clear.
Everything else is speculation.

[jordy]

Everything else is speculation.

Nah, all the internet experts have it all figured out. :pound:

[gn7]

I don't believe for a single minute that Tony would intentionally hit another on track with his car. Not for a minute. I watched one video about a dozen times last night with some others and it is crystal clear that Tony accelerated just as he believed he was passing Ward. I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that it was Tony's intention to cover this kid in mud but his car reacted to the acceleration by sliding further right in the rear, catching, and ultimately killing, Ward.
.[/COLOR]

Few people understand how a sprint car turns, let alone ever driven one. They think they just turn them and the car starts to slide the rear around.

Truth is, they don't get on the wheel until the car is already going sideway. They get them sideways by letting off the gas getting to the turn, and then gas it. The cars have a HUGE tire stagger and the rear automatically swings right just from the gas. Then they start counter steering it.

All that had to happen is for the rear to swing left when Tony gave it a little squirt, and Ward a little too close, disaster.

If you watch the video you can see that Ward was so enraged, he damn near gets clipped by 3 other cars be Tony gets to him, and Ward makes a definited move to the car at about the same time Tony gives a squirt.

The uniformed see it as Tony swerving toward Ward. The ass end simply swung out a little when Tony gave it a shot of throttle.

Watch almost any similar situation like Tony throwing his helmet at Kennseth and you will notice they almost always give the car a squeeze on the throttle. This time, in a that car, on that track, it didn't turn out well.

[gn7]

Look at these pictures of a sprint car. Tell me how easy it is to see someone in a black fire suit, at night, on a dimly lit track. You have window that is the size between the main wing, and the front spoiler to see anything on the side.
3 cars passed Ward before Tony got to him, and the first says he never saw Ward. I no trouble believing that.



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[2manymustangs]

The actions of some drivers have been getting increasingly more aggressive/violent as I see it...

It's a bad deal all the way around...

Taking the high road and walking away from a fight isn't an easy thing to do... It's always the right time to do the right thing... Some of the drivers I hold in high regard would have walked away from an altercation, I think the drivers need to keep the notion of "role model" in mind...

[John]

I also think that Tony probably had no intention of running this kid over. I suspect that he tried to spray him with mud or get close to the kid for some other reason. Yeah, its hard to see out the right side of this car...however the kid was on the track for quite some time and I'm positive that Tony was able to see him. The cars weren't moving at race speed and the other cars were able to stay far clear from the kid who got hit. I don't know if Tony had a spotter or not, but if he did you can 100% know that Tony knew that kid was where he was at. I hope that Tony is charged with manslaughter or something similar soon. Tony's past antics certainly come into play. Yes there is an inherent danger with racing and yes that magnifies drastically once you get out of the car. That doesn't excuse Tony from avoiding running over the kid.

[Wendi]

Tony Stewart will be holding a press conference announcing his retirement from Sprint cup and all auto racing. He is also selling his half ownership of Stewart Haus Racing. WOW! !

[Mrs.K034]

Tony Stewart will be holding a press conference announcing his retirement from Sprint cup and all auto racing. He is also selling his half ownership of Stewart Haus Racing. WOW! !

Where did you hear this? Omg.

[Stainless]

Tony Stewart will be holding a press conference announcing his retirement from Sprint cup and all auto racing. He is also selling his half ownership of Stewart Haus Racing. WOW! !

No kidding? Wow!!!

[GRADS]

Tony Stewart will be holding a press conference announcing his retirement from Sprint cup and all auto racing. He is also selling his half ownership of Stewart Haus Racing. WOW! !

:bsflag:

[Stainless]

Heard he's not racing at Michigan this weekend.

[RogerThat99]

I just read that is a hoax that originated from a satirical news website.

Even if he quite driving, there would be no reason for him to sell his race team.

[The Doctor]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/kevin-ward-jr-aftermath-tony-stewart-will-not-race-pure-michigan-400-081414?cmpid=msn%3Afoxsports%3Aansfox11&gt1=msnans

Michigan off for now.

[SnoC653]

While we all try to second guess just what went wrong, the driver running behind Sterwart said that he did everything possible to avoid Ward. The video showing the accident has been slowed down and it appears that Ward was upright and hanging onto or hooked on the wing of the car (video is so poor you can't really see what is going on so call it speculation) until right before he drops to the track. Could he have gotten snagged when he went to beat on the wing? Your guess is as good as mine, but that's all we are doing at this point.

Could TS see Ward on that track? If he knew where to look, I'm sure he could. But since Ward wasn't stationary, how would anyone know where to look on a dark and poorly lit track for an irate driver dressed in black? If you watch the video, Ward points and runs toward the car ahead of Stewart, who had to swerve to avoid him. Couldn't Ward see which car he was going towards?

I also don't think TS tired to mud the kid. There probably wasn't much mud left in the racing groove by the time they ran. The track was fast and hard. But as another driver pointed out, the Sprint cars have a spool in the rear end, they don't steer at lower speeds, they simply push straight ahead unless you give them some throttle. They also have a bias dialed in to kick the rear end around. It's a fine line between enough throttle to get the car to turn and too much so the rear end kicks out even a bit. But no matter what I think or what any of us think for that matter, it was a tragic loss that could have been avoided. Motorsports should have a stay in the car rule unless the car is on fire, exigent circumstances, or safety crews direct you to exit the car. And then they should have a rule where after exiting the car, the driver must exit the track by the shortest route and not cross the racing line unless being escorted by the safety crew. Any driver violating these rules should be suspended for several races or longer. This is a senseless loss and a real blow to the sport.

[Wendi]

Ok I read an article that a friend shared on FB after looking at it again it could be a hoax

[GRADS]

While we all try to second guess just what went wrong, the driver running behind Sterwart said that he did everything possible to avoid Ward.
:rolleyes Or he could have said that Tony ran him over and killed his racing career forever.

[Mrs.K034]

Heard he's not racing at Michigan this weekend.

Yeah, knew that was true.. But, didn't hear anything about quitting..?

[Mrs.K034]

I really think that everyone should let this go to the experts.. There was no reason for him to get out of the car and run out in front of other cars!! And none of us know what really happened.. It's a bad and sad deal what happened, but let's put it to rest for now.

[Mrs.K034]

:rolleyes Or he could have said that Tony ran him over and killed his racing career forever.

Really?? You make me sick! After your "do you believe in signs" post... You can be the heartless?

[GRADS]

Really?? You make me sick! After your "do you believe in signs" post... You can be the heartless?

Let me rephrase that. Do I think he purposely ran him over .....hell no. Do I think he could of done more to avoid the accident.....absolutely! He had an ample opportunity to steer clear away from that kid....but he didn't.

[HB Vic]

Let me rephrase that. Do I think he purposely ran him over .....hell no. Do I think he could of done more to avoid the accident.....absolutely! He had an ample opportunity to steer clear away from that kid....but he didn't.

Seriously. Someone jumps our of their car on the freeway and runs toward you what you gonna go? Crash in to the car on either side of you or go straight?

My choice is pretty clear.

[GRADS]

Seriously. Someone jumps our of their car on the freeway and runs toward you what you gonna go? Crash in to the car on either side of you or go straight?

My choice is pretty clear.

I ain't buy that. Here's a driver that can make split second decisions doing 200+ mph and he couldn't see a kid coming at him at 30 mph? :bsflag:

[RogerThat99]

Grads, look at the lack of visibility in this picture. Plus the driver has a helmet and Hans device on, plus low light, plus he wasn't expecting someone on the track (just like you don't generally expect a pedestrian on the freeway), plus the kid was shielded from view by the car in front of Tony. Tony was probably looking at the disabled car and didn't see the kid. There is also a slow motion video that shows that kid makes contact with the outside of the wing (Not sure if he tried to hit it with his hand, or tried to push off of it, or didn't see it coming and got hit).

http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2009/07/large_lewis.JPG

[RogerThat99]

.........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co

[GRADS]

Really?? You make me sick! After your "do you believe in signs" post... You can be the heartless?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. What I was saying was is if the driver behind him said Tony was guilty in any way he would effectively be committing career suicide. If he was the guy that shut down Tony's racing career I cant imagine there would be too many people wanting help him move up the ranks.

[The Doctor]

There's no doubt that the experts will deal with this and conclude whatever they will. Sadly, I doubt this is treated exactly the same as if a different car/driver - say a rookie - had been involved instead of Tony and celebrity had nothing to do with the investigation and/or outcome so it concludes fairly for all.

Sadly, Ward is dead and Tony, for whatever reason has now chosen to take a second cup race off. There's no doubt that this incident has left a scar. How permanent, is yet to be seen.

[SnoC653]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. What I was saying was is if the driver behind him said Tony was guilty in any way he would effectively be committing career suicide. If he was the guy that shut down Tony's racing career I cant imagine there would be too many people wanting help him move up the ranks.

You are assuming that the driver behind Tony wants to further his career in racing. He might be right where he wants to be and it isn't a career it's a sport, or maybe he is an owner driver and ready to retire, or maybe he doesn't feel he owes anyone so he doesn't have anything to loose by telling the truth. Oh yeah, except that by saying Tony did everything he could, he's now not the local fan's favorite so he might be limiting his home town sponsorship opportunities. And other drivers with a chip on their shoulder might want to retaliate against him. I can see why saying Tony was not at fault is such a stellar option if it wasn't true. On the other hand if it is true, big props to the guy that would rather tell the truth than join in mob mentality that the successful person must be punished if a chance arises.

[Mrs.K034]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. What I was saying was is if the driver behind him said Tony was guilty in any way he would effectively be committing career suicide. If he was the guy that shut down Tony's racing career I cant imagine there would be too many people wanting help him move up the ranks.

I see, guess you had poor choice of words lol.. But that's no surprise here.

[GRADS]

Watching NASCAR right now. Everyone is saying the best thing for Tony is to be back in the race car. Who gives a fuck...what about the family whose son he killed.

[Singleton]

Watching NASCAR right now. Everyone is saying the best thing for Tony is to be back in the race car. Who gives a fuck...what about the family whose son he killed.

They should be more upset the kid got out of a race car on the track and started running towards moving cars. Why would your kid but themselves in that position.

[westair]

Watching NASCAR right now. Everyone is saying the best thing for Tony is to be back in the race car. Who gives a fuck...what about the family whose son he killed.

Stewart is sure getting a lot of sympathy but you got to give him the benefit of doubt that it was just an accident.

[Sharp shooter]

Stewart is sure getting a lot of sympathy but you got to give him the benefit of doubt that it was just an accident.

I really don't think Tony purposely killed Kevin Ward. JMO.

[GRADS]

He's out of the race but at least he feels better about himself, that's all that matters. :rolleyes

[bb88]

He's out of the race but at least he feels better about himself, that's all that matters. :rolleyes
And what type of qualifications give you the right to have any opinion that matters to the racing community?

[GRADS]

And what type of qualifications give you the right to have any opinion that matters to the racing community?

I banged Danica Patrick once.

[ChumpChange]

I thought about banging Danica Patrick while with my wife once.

Fixed it for ya.

[GRADS]

Fixed it for ya.

That too. ;) Kind of like a Grads sandwich :thumb:

[bb88]

I banged Danica Patrick once.
Well now that you said that....lmao..can I smell your finger?

[Stainless]

Hey NRI and HBCHgirl, the five clinched a spot in the chase winning Atlanta a few minutes ago.


CH3NO2

[Stainless]

I banged Danica Patrick once.

It most have helped her, she finished 6th tonight in Atlanta. Her best finish in Sprint Cup.


CH3NO2

[2manymustangs]

I banged Danica Patrick once.

At a Holiday Inn? And saved ALOT of $$$? Did U leave the light on for her?

[Paul65K]

At a Holiday Inn? And saved ALOT of $$$? Did U leave the light on for her?
I think that would be a Holiday Inn Express :D

[riverrunner1984]

Looks like Grand Jury Cleared Stewart

Oh yah and Ward was high at the time of his death...:headscratch:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/24/tony-stewart-cleared-by-grand-jury-in-race-track-death/

[Stainless]

Looks like Grand Jury Cleared Stewart

Oh yah and Ward was high at the time of his death...:headscratch:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/24/tony-stewart-cleared-by-grand-jury-in-race-track-death/

Wow, was I wrong.


CH3NO2

[jordy]

I have zero sympathy for someone dumb enough to get out of their car and charge another... oh, and I thought weed was supposed to mellow people out? :no:

[ChumpChange]

I have zero sympathy for someone dumb enough to get out of their car and charge another... oh, and I thought weed was supposed to mellow people out? :no:

x2....

[redant]

x2....
The kid's parents are still going after Stewart. The parents feel Stewart caused all this by pushing and intimidating their son. WTF.... it is a race, not a tea party. If you are slower, get out of the way. POS parents, in my opinion. I am sure it is not the first time this kid has done something stupid when he was pissed off or didn't get his way. Very sad for anyone to lose a child. I have seen greiving parents look to blame others for the death of their child. Unfortunately, we all screw up and sometimes it does not have a good outcome. Racing is dangerous without doing stupid things. It is a risk you take to race, bad stuff can happen.

[ChumpChange]

The kid's parents are still going after Stewart. The parents feel Stewart caused all this by pushing and intimidating their son. WTF.... it is a race, not a tea party. If you are slower, get out of the way. POS parents, in my opinion. I am sure it is not the first time this kid has done something stupid when he was pissed off or didn't get his way. Very sad for anyone to lose a child. I have seen greiving parents look to blame others for the death of their child. Unfortunately, we all screw up and sometimes it does not have a good outcome. Racing is dangerous without doing stupid things. It is a risk you take to race, bad stuff can happen.

And let's not forget that "it's what Kevin would want us to do" was said by the parents in regards to going after Stewart.

[riverrunner1984]

It will def be interesting to see what the jury comes back with in a civil trial. I heard on the radio yesterday that "Grand Jury" testimony is confidential and wont say if Stewart testified or not. I bet if it goes Civil he may have to get up there.....
In my opinion is just ridiculous. The guy got out of his fricken car during a race. He is asking for trouble.

[rschap1]

$$ grab now

[Ziggy]

Looks like Grand Jury Cleared Stewart

Oh yah and Ward was high at the time of his death...:headscratch:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/24/tony-stewart-cleared-by-grand-jury-in-race-track-death/


I have zero sympathy for someone dumb enough to get out of their car and charge another... oh, and I thought weed was supposed to mellow people out? :no:
The kid should be charged for causing so much chaos in Stewarts life considering he was stoned and broke the cardinal rule in racing.
In the real world he'd be locked up for being intoxicated and causing a fatality.

[jordy]

The really sad deal out of all of this, his parents will be paid out. It's cheaper for the insurance company (and you can bet that Stewart is all kinds of insured) to pay out rather than go to trial. Not to mention, consider the jury pool and the winners that typically end up on the jury sitting there listening to the parents crying about losing their little angel and how they are devastated and don't know how they're going to be able to go on... then Stewart's attorneys get up and start attacking the character of the deceased and bring in toxicology reports to further kick dirt on his grave. Not a really easy way to go down that road without creating sympathy for the parents, who are now the victims of this monster Tony Stewart. Rest assured every video snippet of him on the track being a hot head will be played over and over for the jury.

I can only imagine how many attorneys were in touch with the parents to get them signed on for representation within minutes of the news breaking. Sad really.

[2manymustangs]

Looks like Grand Jury Cleared Stewart

Oh yah and Ward was high at the time of his death...:headscratch:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/24/tony-stewart-cleared-by-grand-jury-in-race-track-death/

Must be some shitty weed if the kid was able to even finish one lap... He should have got his shrubs from CA...

[Eli]

Must be some shitty weed if the kid was able to even finish one lap... He should have got his shrubs from CA...

Let's sue the drug dealer! He's got deep pockets!! ;)


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[jordy]

Let's sue the drug dealer! He's got deep pockets!! ;)


Sent from my Bat Cave

Rule #1: Name all possible defendants. :violent-smiley-044:

Drug Dealer Doe #1-999. :smile:

Just in case there was more than one.

[Eli]

Rule #1: Name all possible defendants. :violent-smiley-044:

Drug Dealer Doe #1-999. :smile:

Just in case there was more than one.

Great idea!


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[2manymustangs]

Let's sue the drug dealer! He's got deep pockets!! ;)


Sent from my Bat Cave



Rule #1: Name all possible defendants. :violent-smiley-044:

Drug Dealer Doe #1-999. :smile:

Just in case there was more than one.

Maybe he had his card, and had chronic pain... :monkey:

[Eli]

Maybe he had his card, and had chronic pain... :monkey:

Who cares we still sue the dealer!


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[Ziggy]

Looks like Grand Jury Cleared Stewart

Oh yah and Ward was high at the time of his death...:headscratch:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/24/tony-stewart-cleared-by-grand-jury-in-race-track-death/


Who cares we still sue the dealer!


Sent from my Bat Cave
I was a dealer in my past.....and yes I was added as defendant to lawsuits, just because.

[Eli]

I was a dealer in my past.....and yes I was added as defendant to lawsuits, just because.

A drug dealer? That's who we are referring to...you may not wanna admit to that occupation lol


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[Ziggy]

A drug dealer? That's who we are referring to...you may not wanna admit to that occupation lol


Sent from my Bat Cave
The drugs I sold had hood emblems with the letters BMW or SAAB. Some of the finest....or commonly known as Da Kine. :);):cool: We had an enormous size of groupies(aka yuppies) with addictions:D

[Eli]

The drugs I sold had hood emblems with the letters BMW or SAAB. Some of the finest....or commonly known as Da Kine. :);):cool: We had an enormous size of groupies(aka yuppies) with addictions:D

Those must be some good drugs


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[Ziggy]

Those must be some good drugs


Sent from my Bat Cave
Expensive too. :p

[2manymustangs]

Maybe he had his card, and had chronic pain... :monkey:


Who cares we still sue the dealer!


Sent from my Bat Cave

^^^ It was tongue in cheek, all of my comments... You know that about me :D HOWEVER, any dumbass that gets high or drunk and goes racing (boat/car/truck/motorcycle/snowmobile/airplane/moped/RC car/UNIcycle/soapbox racer/bobsled) and kills someone OR himself deserves the full weight of the law/sentence... DON'T do the crime if you can’t do the time...

Sad events for all involved, I hope that Tony can take something positive away from these events (maybe an attitude adjustment / checkup from the neck-up)...


I DO have an issue with this sort of thing... Leonard Little killed a girl with his dubbed out SUV rollin on "22s", he drank, drove and killed a girl... He was and continues to be treated as a celebrity after the incident:

Representing Local Athletes, Politicians, and Entertainers

Mr. Rosenblum has represented a multitude of prominent athletes, including Leonard Little on two cases, and St. Louis Cardinals and St Louis Rams players. In 2003, he represented former Rams running back Marshall Faulk against claims of domestic battery brought forth by Faulk's ex-fiancé. Scott convinced a jury to reject the claims against Faulk and he won a counterclaim against Faulk's ex-fiancé for abusing the legal process. Mr. Rosenblum also defended St. Louis Cardinals third baseman David Freese who was arrested for DUI in 2009.

Scott's expertise is also well known in the political realm, and many local politicians seek his expert criminal defense services. Local politicians Scott has defended include a former Mayor of St. Peters charged with bribery and state legislators.

^^^^ From the RSRGLAW.com website :AngryFinger_7WSKJO: sad... Scott should be ashamed and hang his head rather than brag on this...

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Manslaughter conviction[edit]After leaving a birthday party in 1998, Little crashed into and killed Susan Gutweiler in St. Louis, Missouri. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent, a level in excess of the statutory level of intoxication (0.08) in the state of Missouri. Little received four years probation and 1,000 hours of community service.[22]

On January 18, 2003, with charges dating back to 1999, Little was charged with communicating threats and making harassing calls according to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police department. Little's attorney, Scott Rosenblum, said the charges were filed after Little and his former girlfriend ended their relationship. Rosenblum added, "We don't think this case is going anywhere. It was groundless from the beginning".[23]

On April 24, 2004, he was arrested again for driving while intoxicated after being stopped by The Ladue Police Department for driving 78 in a 55 mile-per-hour zone on Interstate 64. At the time he had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted drinking alcohol to the police.[24] After being convicted of misdemeanor speeding but acquitted of DWI, Little was sentenced to two years' probation on May 6, 2005.[25]

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During the 2009 season, Little has dropped hints that he may retire after the season. In the off-season Little, an unrestricted free agent, accepted and then canceled a meeting with the New Orleans Saints to discuss the possibility of signing with the defending Super Bowl champions.[18] Although Little has not made an announcement, it is presumed that he has retired from football.[19] Little earned $31.55 million in his twelve NFL seasons.[20] and led his team in sacks six times (2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008) and had four seasons of twelve or more sacks. Little retired on December 15, 2010.

[gn7]

Geez Bruce, I can't believe you didn't drag O.J. into your totally off subject rant.

[Eli]

^^^ It was tongue in cheek, all of my comments... You know that about me :D HOWEVER, any dumbass that gets high or drunk and goes racing (boat/car/truck/motorcycle/snowmobile/airplane/moped/RC car/UNIcycle/soapbox racer/bobsled) and kills someone OR himself deserves the full weight of the law/sentence... DON'T do the crime if you can’t do the time...

Sad events for all involved, I hope that Tony can take something positive away from these events (maybe an attitude adjustment / checkup from the neck-up)...


I DO have an issue with this sort of thing... Leonard Little killed a girl with his dubbed out SUV rollin on "22s", he drank, drove and killed a girl... He was and continues to be treated as a celebrity after the incident:

Representing Local Athletes, Politicians, and Entertainers

Mr. Rosenblum has represented a multitude of prominent athletes, including Leonard Little on two cases, and St. Louis Cardinals and St Louis Rams players. In 2003, he represented former Rams running back Marshall Faulk against claims of domestic battery brought forth by Faulk's ex-fiancé. Scott convinced a jury to reject the claims against Faulk and he won a counterclaim against Faulk's ex-fiancé for abusing the legal process. Mr. Rosenblum also defended St. Louis Cardinals third baseman David Freese who was arrested for DUI in 2009.

Scott's expertise is also well known in the political realm, and many local politicians seek his expert criminal defense services. Local politicians Scott has defended include a former Mayor of St. Peters charged with bribery and state legislators.

^^^^ From the RSRGLAW.com website :AngryFinger_7WSKJO: sad... Scott should be ashamed and hang his head rather than brag on this...

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Manslaughter conviction[edit]After leaving a birthday party in 1998, Little crashed into and killed Susan Gutweiler in St. Louis, Missouri. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent, a level in excess of the statutory level of intoxication (0.08) in the state of Missouri. Little received four years probation and 1,000 hours of community service.[22]

On January 18, 2003, with charges dating back to 1999, Little was charged with communicating threats and making harassing calls according to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police department. Little's attorney, Scott Rosenblum, said the charges were filed after Little and his former girlfriend ended their relationship. Rosenblum added, "We don't think this case is going anywhere. It was groundless from the beginning".[23]

On April 24, 2004, he was arrested again for driving while intoxicated after being stopped by The Ladue Police Department for driving 78 in a 55 mile-per-hour zone on Interstate 64. At the time he had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted drinking alcohol to the police.[24] After being convicted of misdemeanor speeding but acquitted of DWI, Little was sentenced to two years' probation on May 6, 2005.[25]

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During the 2009 season, Little has dropped hints that he may retire after the season. In the off-season Little, an unrestricted free agent, accepted and then canceled a meeting with the New Orleans Saints to discuss the possibility of signing with the defending Super Bowl champions.[18] Although Little has not made an announcement, it is presumed that he has retired from football.[19] Little earned $31.55 million in his twelve NFL seasons.[20] and led his team in sacks six times (2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008) and had four seasons of twelve or more sacks. Little retired on December 15, 2010.

I agree with you, he not only put himself in danger, he put all the other drivers as well as anyone else he could've killed in harms way.


Sent from my Bat Cave

[2manymustangs]

Geez Bruce, I can't believe you didn't drag O.J. into your totally off subject rant.

Not that far off subject really, the next step after the lawsuits are filed (agaisnt Tony OR the other dudes MJ dealer) is to hire the best defense attorney that they can afford...

Maybe Scott Rosenblum will make the cut IF he didn't already retire off of Leonard Little... :D

OR maybe Robert Kardashian Jr. will get hired which will drag O.J. into the discussion, as well as R.K.'s famous sisters... :)

[gn7]

What does a drunk killing an innocent and getting away with it have to do with a some junkie committing suicide at the expence of a innocent.

EDIT: And the parents thinking about suing Tony because they think that's what the stoner son they raised would want.

[COLE SWEAT]

:thumbup:

[MrDenton]

X2👍


Oath Keeper

[2manymustangs]

What does a drunk killing an innocent and getting away with it have to do with a some junkie committing suicide at the expence of a innocent.

EDIT: And the parents thinking about suing Tony because they think that's what the stoner son they raised would want.

The common thread is that if Tony has a good enough defense attorney he doesn't have anything to worry about besides legal fees. ;)

Ok, ok, maybe I was a little bit off topic... :bowdown:

[MrDenton]

The common thread is that if Tony has a good enough defense attorney he doesn't have anything to worry about besides legal fees. ;)

Ok, ok, maybe I was a little bit off topic... :bowdown:

Good save Bruce. 👍


Oath Keeper