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Eli
01-05-2014, 03:35 PM
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Eli
01-05-2014, 03:52 PM
Here are a few from my training with Homefront Consulting. They are a great group of very patient guys! Djunkie let me use his guns again.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/dy3ujeha.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/uzenuhus.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/amu3abu6.jpg



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djunkie
01-05-2014, 04:08 PM
I hear that tall skinny bald guy with the white shirt on is a terrible shot.

Eli
01-05-2014, 04:09 PM
I hear that tall skinny bald guy with the white shirt on is a terrible shot.

Read the first post! It is an accurate depiction of his shooting abilities...well with a gun at least ;)


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WMC
01-05-2014, 04:27 PM
I think its time for me to buy my first gun

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Paul65K
01-05-2014, 04:28 PM
I hear that tall skinny bald guy with the white shirt on is a terrible shot.
You've created a "Monster" Dave :yikes:

Eli
01-05-2014, 04:29 PM
You've created a "Monster" Dave :yikes:

Yea! It's all Dave's fault! I'm an innocent bystander! An impressionable young kid!


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djunkie
01-05-2014, 04:29 PM
I think its time for me to buy my first gun

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Same with Eli. She's ready.

Eli
01-05-2014, 04:30 PM
Same with Eli. She's ready.

I'm not ready yet! I need to go out 2 or 20 more times first. Besides who will fill my magazines for me?


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Eli
01-05-2014, 04:39 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/8udatupu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/uhuvytaj.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/qumuquza.jpg

Had to edit these :D


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 07:14 PM
This may be a rerun for some...

Ignorance may be bliss...fear is debilitating and knowledge is power!

Over the past few months, I have been contemplating buying a gun for safety. But, I don’t know the first thing about owning a gun or what type of gun I want or will be most comfortable with. July 4th weekend, I went into a gun store and the three guys behind the counter, each with a gun holstered to his hip, looked at me like I had 4 heads or my breasticles were popping out from under my clothes. I was very uncomfortable to say the lease and quickly walked out. I decided owning...better yet, buying a gun was not for me and got the idea out of my head.

Last week, I was driving down the freeway and there was a brush fire and I decided to call 911. First attempt I got a busy signal...I tried again and another busy signal. I tried 3 more times before I finally got through to a dispatcher. I was a bit alarmed to say the least. That night I got to thinking if someone broke into my house, I have about 1 minute to do whatever it is I am going to do to protect myself. I even contemplated sleeping with a knife in my night stand. But, could I realistically over power a person who decided to break into my house? No.

Since January, I frequently post on a forum that has a predominately male membership. The forum has a section dedicated to discussions about guns, so I started a thread. Specifically, I asked what they would recommend for a petite woman for protection. I received a lot of suggestions; the men were able to advise me as to what they think based on what their wives prefer. However, one of the members Djunkie, actually offered to take me to a shooting range.

I was a bit surprised because a few months ago he and I got into a bit of a discussion that in my opinion didn’t go over very well. For the most part, I avoided him on the site. He’s a funny guy, but very opinionated and has a bit of a “of course I’m right and you’re wrong” attitude, which really clashes with MY “of course I’m right and you’re wrong” attitude. About a month after our spat, his daughter while crawling up his leg to sit on his lap; unintentionally kneed him in his junk. Of course being a typical guy who thinks being kicked in the junk is more painful than child birth the continued paid lead to the discovery of a lump. I imagine his first impression was, “I’m so awesome I have 3 nuts” quickly transitioning to a more serious situation. He shared his story on the forum and it softened me up to him. I figured what he lacks in nuts he makes up for in opinions. Not to mention, his offer seemed sincere and I got the impression he was going to have some fun teaching Eli how to shoot a gun. We agreed on a date and time. He suggested I go to his house to get a safety and gun handling lesson first.

Eager to get my first shooting lesson, I woke up at 4:15 Tuesday morning, bright eyed and bushy tailed. I had previously once shot a gun before, but I have never received any type of gun handling training. I hopped out of bed, had my morning coffee and headed to the gym, I figure if I'm learning something new, I should bring my A game, and my A game requires a tough morning workout. After my work out, I drove home and quickly got dressed and headed out to Torrance. Since Djunkie was offering to take me shooting on his free time and I had a 100 mile drive, I certainly was not going to be late. I headed out to his house. When I arrived there were no cars in the driveway and for a second I thought I may have the wrong house...until I saw the sign "Life is better at the river" and I knew I was at the right place. I ring the doorbell and a tall, slender man opens the door with an ear to ear smile and a warm welcome.

I can tell we are both eager to start playing (I use the term playing very loosely) with the guns because we get right down to business. He begins with a brief explanation of each gun. First, the revolver, I can tell by the twinkle in his eye, this may be his favorite. From my perspective this is one big mofo. He explains the benefits of being able to use two different types of bullets with this gun; I believe it's the .38 and the .357. If I am wrong, it's certainly not because I wasn't paying attention, but because I was focusing on the visual appearance versus the numbers. He shows me the bullets and has me handle them to see the difference in size, but he doesn't get too bogged down in the nitty gritty, which I'm sure he knows will be lost in translation as well as information overload. We then move on to his largest gun which from my perspective looks like a giant Glock. Just holding the gun was intimidating and dwarfed my already small hands. Finally, we moved on to the Glock 19, which looked the tamest of the three.

He continued to thoroughly demonstrate how to handle a gun, how to shoot, aim and what to do if the gun jammed as well as the intricacies of a shooting range. He even did a demonstration with "dummy bullets." He asks me if I have any questions and I confirm that I don't and we are on our way.

We drive to the range and my heart's racing as well as my hands shaking. I desperately tried not to be too obvious. I have to admit, I was a bit frightened. We walk in and I can honestly say, I didn't hear much of anything anyone said over the loud obnoxious pounding of my heart beat. I did crack an Eli style joke about bringing a photo of someone to shoot at and the guy behind the counter quickly informed me that it's illegal to shoot at the picture of someone, although he was grinning at me the whole time. Djunkie grabs a few body shaped targets and we head over. My Mr. Miyagi (Djunkie takes on a different demeanor when he's teaching) stops me before I enter and tells me to put on the protective gear. I get to sport his wife's pretty pink ear doohickie (that's the technical term) and goggles. We walk in and within seconds I hear a very loud bang and jump at least 3 feet. I apparently now have a twitch I never knew of before, because every time a gun fires, I jump and Djunkie giggles.

We walk over to our lane and he begins, range lesson number 1. How to clip on the target.

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Then he shows me how to fill the magazine with bullets.

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Now we begin shooting. He suggests we start with the MOFO, he calls it the pussy cat...He shoots first so I can see how he handles it and how the gun performs. I don't take my eyes off the gun and when I look up at the target I notice the red bull’s eye is almost gone. He shoots with such precision, I am even more intimidated. He looks at me like that's just a normal day at the range and hands me the gun. This MOFO is heavy and has "Don't fuck with me" written all over it. I stand right foot in front, left in the back. Take a deep breath, finger on the trigger..."oh dear God, I can't believe I'm gonna shoot this giant gun" runs through my mind, I take a quick look back and see cool as a cucumber Mr. Miyagi smiling. I anticipate falling backwards at the "kick" this thing will give me. I replay my lesson in my head, I look down the barrel to line up the gun with my target and I can see my hands shaking. I don't give it another thought and I pull the trigger, and a deafening "BANG!" explodes from the gun and my arms, which I thought were in a tight lock, fly up as my torso follows. I pull the trigger again and once again, I'm overpowered by the strength of this gun. I pull again, hoping it will get easier with repetition...nope, it just keeps showing me who's boss. I pull again and again, until I hear a "click" and I sigh with relief. This gun is no pussy cat, it's a ferocious lion and I was its breakfast. I look at the target...not one bullet hit the target...

Next we move on to the Glock 19. Again, Mr. Miyagi goes first. He shoots 10 rounds smack in the middle of the target once again. Okay well, I'm not fooled. I know how difficult it really is!!! Next up Eli. At this point, I figure what do I have to lose? Missed all 6 last time, I can miss 10 this round. I get into my badass stance once again, click the magazine in and check to make sure it's locked, pull back the slide, and make sure my hand and left thumb are not blocking the slide. I aim for the target and I actually hit it...I was so excited, I really can't remember where I hit the target, but I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near Djunkies precision. I pull the trigger 9 more times and quickly decide this baby is badass in a good way! I'm not sure if Djunkie noticed, but I think I had my "don't fuck with Eli" glare. :D

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Now that I'm feeling confident, I'm ready to move on to the next gun...well I was ready until I watched Mr. Miyagi tear up the target like it's nobody's business and I could see giant flames exploding out of the gun each time. Fuck, Fuck, Fuck!!! He empties the clip, turns to me with a mischievous smile and says "wanna give it a try" like he's asking me to taste ice cream. My reluctance and hesitation are more than obvious, I say "no it's ok" and he says, "just try it" again like it's dessert and I'm sure gonna like it. I take the gun, follow my steps, starting with the magazine and look down the barrel. This time, I'm shaking so hard the gun is visibly shaking. Part of me hopes Djunkie badass doesn't see, but wants Mr. Miyagi to say, "ok that was a joke, you're not shooting this one". I take a very deep and slow breath and I pull the trigger...I pull farther...and BANG EXPLODES from the gun. The trigger is certainly different then the first two guns. The only way I know how to describe the feeling was an explosion in my hand, with a continuous vibration up my arms, into my shoulders, down my shoulder blades and then a knot in my stomach...ten times. I didn't like this gun at all, but I was glad Djunkie suggested I fire it...now I know I will NOT be buying this monster! If the revolver is a lion...this is what I think it would feel like to have a herd of buffalo stampede over me.

I look over at Djunkie and he smiles with a "proud" look and suggest we go back to shooting the Glock. I think he was proud that I didn't give up.

We each take turns shooting, I the Glock and Djunkie the Stampeding Herd of Buffalo.

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My last 30 rounds...I aimed for the stomach and then the head. 28 of the 30 rounds at least hit the target.

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Djunkie, you rock for volunteering to take me. It was a wonderful experience, I learned a lot and I will never, ever forget everything you taught me as well as the great experience! Each time I forgot one of the steps, as I listened to you patiently remind me...I thought...he has one hell of a lucky daughter!

I'm hooked and as Mr. Miyagi suggested, I will be trying a few other 9 mm to see which my favorite to buy is! Go Second Amendment!!


:usa: Cool, very cool Eli, sounds like your hooked :)

I purchased these about six months ago and have been trying to decide if they are worth keeping or not... I really love them and the ammo is cheap, these are M57 Tokarev pistols made in Croatia, the other versions only hold 8 rounds, this version holds 9 and the grip is the perfect size for my fat hands... Shoots a 7.62x25 polish sub machine gun round and the polish surplus ammo is about $21/50 rounds... AND has enough energy to pierce light body armor, its a very mean little round...

I build the 300 AAC brass from cut down .223 brass and I can also build the 7.62x39 brass from the .223 OR my used up 300AAC brass... All are shown...the small one is the 7.62x25 tokarev round, next up is the 300AAC, next is the empty .223 brass...

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Eli
01-05-2014, 07:16 PM
:usa: Cool, very cool Eli, sounds like your hooked :)

Im going to post up my new PAIR in a second...

Load 'me up!


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 07:47 PM
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7.62x25 * 7.62x35 (aka 300AAC) * 5.56x45 (aka .223 kind of)

2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 07:52 PM
I'm not ready yet! I need to go out 2 or 20 more times first. Besides who will fill my magazines for me?


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Exactly, you wouldnt want to break a nail doing that!!! ^^^ ;)

Here is another favorite one that my neices/nephews like to shoot... Pistol version of the Draco AK47...

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Eli
01-05-2014, 07:53 PM
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Wow! Who ever said size doesn't matter doesn't have these!


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 08:02 PM
Wow! Who ever said size doesn't matter doesn't have these!


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The MIDDLE (300AAC / 300BLK) is a fantastic all around ammo for the AR15 platform and only requires a barrel change on the ARs...

I'm going to have a barrel built to run the 7.62x25 through an AR for my next gun project...

Eli
01-05-2014, 08:06 PM
The MIDDLE (300AAC / 300BLK) is a fantastic all around ammo for the AR15 platform and only requires a barrel change on the ARs...

I'm going to have a barrel built to run the 7.62x25 through an AR for my next gun project...

Calling Djunkie to the curtesy phone...I need translation please!


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 08:17 PM
Calling Djunkie to the curtesy phone...I need translation please!


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The middle bullet shown above goes through THIS (which is equal in power to the AK47)... Im going to build another that uses the far left Tokarev bullet...

http://youtu.be/kHQi38SjY0A

Eli
01-05-2014, 08:19 PM
The middle bullet shown above goes through THIS (which is equal in power to the AK47)... Im going to build another that uses the far left Tokarev bullet...

http://youtu.be/kHQi38SjY0A

You bought the bullet before the gun?


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 08:23 PM
You bought the bullet before the gun?


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I built the gun, THEN changed the caliber a few times (didnt like the way it cycled when set up for AK47 ammo), THEN built the 300AAC ammo... The 300AAC is kind of new on the scene... :)

Eli
01-05-2014, 08:24 PM
I built the gun, THEN changed the caliber a few times, THEN built the ammo... The 300AAC is kind of new on the scene... :)

Built the ammo? Why not just buy it?


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 08:27 PM
Built the ammo? Why not just buy it?

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When I started this project the 300AAC ammo wasnt available in the stores and the load data was very very limited. It wasnt SAAMI approved until this past Spring I think...

I blew the gun up once with some of my initial loads... :) It's just a science project...

Some lite reading: http://300aacblackout.com (http://300aacblackout.com/)/


Introducing the Advanced Armament Corp. 300 AAC Blackout (300BLK). This system was developed to launch 30 caliber projectiles from the AR platform without a reduction in magazine capacity and compatible with the standard bolt.

Full power 115-125 grain ammunition matches the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm AK, and eclipses 5.56mm with much higher-mass projectiles for a more dramatic effect on the target. Or choose subsonic cartridges for optimal use with a sound suppressor - 220 grain Sierra OTM (open-tip match) bullets vastly outperforms a 9mm MP5-SD in penetration and long range accuracy.


DESIGN OBJECTIVES
• Create a reliable compact 30-cal solution for the AR platform
• Utilize existing inventory magazines while retaining their full capacity
• Create the optimal platform for sound and flash suppressed fire
• Create compatible supersonic ammo that matches 7.62x39 ballistics
• Provide the ability to penetrate barriers with high-mass projectiles
• Provide all capabilities in a lightweight, durable, low recoiling package

REASONS 7.62x39 wAS NOT CONSIDERED
Extreme cartridge taper
• Reduces reliability of feeding in AR Magazines
• Reduces Magazine capacity
• Cartridge taper induces considerably higher bolt thrust-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
• Requires a larger Bolt Face which reduces Bolt Locking Lug strength-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
Limited projectile selection
• 0.311" diameter not a common option in most modern bullets

Eli
01-05-2014, 08:30 PM
When I started this project the 300AAC ammo wasnt available in the stores and the load data was very very limited. It wasnt SAAMI approved until this past Spring I think...




Some lite reading: http://300aacblackout.com/


Introducing the Advanced Armament Corp. 300 AAC Blackout (300BLK). This system was developed to launch 30 caliber projectiles from the AR platform without a reduction in magazine capacity and compatible with the standard bolt.

Full power 115-125 grain ammunition matches the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm AK, and eclipses 5.56mm with much higher-mass projectiles for a more dramatic effect on the target. Or choose subsonic cartridges for optimal use with a sound suppressor - 220 grain Sierra OTM (open-tip match) bullets vastly outperforms a 9mm MP5-SD in penetration and long range accuracy.


DESIGN OBJECTIVES
• Create a reliable compact 30-cal solution for the AR platform
• Utilize existing inventory magazines while retaining their full capacity
• Create the optimal platform for sound and flash suppressed fire
• Create compatible supersonic ammo that matches 7.62x39 ballistics
• Provide the ability to penetrate barriers with high-mass projectiles
• Provide all capabilities in a lightweight, durable, low recoiling package

REASONS 7.62x39 wAS NOT CONSIDERED
Extreme cartridge taper
• Reduces reliability of feeding in AR Magazines
• Reduces Magazine capacity
• Cartridge taper induces considerably higher bolt thrust-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
• Requires a larger Bolt Face which reduces Bolt Locking Lug strength-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
Limited projectile selection
• 0.311" diameter not a common option in most modern bullets

This is soooo far over my head...just don't test me...please :)


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djunkie
01-05-2014, 08:45 PM
When I started this project the 300AAC ammo wasnt available in the stores and the load data was very very limited. It wasnt SAAMI approved until this past Spring I think...

I blew the gun up once with some of my initial loads... :) It's just a science project...

Some lite reading: http://300aacblackout.com (http://300aacblackout.com/)/


Introducing the Advanced Armament Corp. 300 AAC Blackout (300BLK). This system was developed to launch 30 caliber projectiles from the AR platform without a reduction in magazine capacity and compatible with the standard bolt.

Full power 115-125 grain ammunition matches the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm AK, and eclipses 5.56mm with much higher-mass projectiles for a more dramatic effect on the target. Or choose subsonic cartridges for optimal use with a sound suppressor - 220 grain Sierra OTM (open-tip match) bullets vastly outperforms a 9mm MP5-SD in penetration and long range accuracy.


DESIGN OBJECTIVES
• Create a reliable compact 30-cal solution for the AR platform
• Utilize existing inventory magazines while retaining their full capacity
• Create the optimal platform for sound and flash suppressed fire
• Create compatible supersonic ammo that matches 7.62x39 ballistics
• Provide the ability to penetrate barriers with high-mass projectiles
• Provide all capabilities in a lightweight, durable, low recoiling package

REASONS 7.62x39 wAS NOT CONSIDERED
Extreme cartridge taper
• Reduces reliability of feeding in AR Magazines
• Reduces Magazine capacity
• Cartridge taper induces considerably higher bolt thrust-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
• Requires a larger Bolt Face which reduces Bolt Locking Lug strength-
exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses
Limited projectile selection
• 0.311" diameter not a common option in most modern bullets

Cool stuff but I hate hard to find ammo stuff. I'll just stick with easy to get .556.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/esa6e3y9.jpg

Or this for my Big Bang fix. ;)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/ajajaja7.jpg

Paul65K
01-05-2014, 08:51 PM
Cool stuff but I hate hard to find ammo stuff. I'll just stick with easy to get .556.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/esa6e3y9.jpg

Or this for my Big Bang fix. ;)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/ajajaja7.jpg
Hey Dave,

I know this is like asking "How high is up" but....................how much would you think it would cost me to build a rather standard run of the mill 5.56 AR? With some of the more desirable options not just "plain Jane" mil-spec??

Been thinking of building one but the local guys have a Colt for $850 and was wondering if I should go with that or build.......whatdoyathink??

2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 08:51 PM
I just crank out my own 300BLK now, its a great round for deer hunting... I purchased about 5000 pieces of brass from Brad's Warehouse... I crank out 200 or so when I get bored on conference bridges for work... ;)

I REALLLLLY like the AR10s in 7.62 NATO, bad mofos... VERY nice piece there DJ...

I do have several set up for 5.56 NATO...

My two faves, an A1 replica that has original light barrel and all original furnature/sling/bipod
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You probably know who this Armalite came from but I will keep it a secret... as promised...
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Eli
01-05-2014, 08:52 PM
This thread turned into gun porn! Love it!


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djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:03 PM
I just crank out my own 300BLK now, its a great round for deer hunting... I purchased about 5000 pieces of brass from Brad's Warehouse... I crank out 200 or so when I get bored on conference bridges for work... ;)

I REALLLLLY like the AR10s in 7.62 NATO, bad mofos... VERY nice piece there DJ...

I do have several set up for 5.56 NATO...

My two faves, an A1 replica that has original light barrel and all original furnature/sling/bipod
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You probably know who this Armalite came from but I will keep it a secret... as promised...
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I put one together for my dad with an old colt upper like that one above. Triangle handguards and all. But I put a collapsible stock on it just cause I had one laying around. It's in the pics that Eli posted. It's got an original colt 3x scope on that carry handle too. Cool piece that shoots pretty well.

Eli
01-05-2014, 09:05 PM
I put one together for my dad with an old colt upper like that one above. Triangle handguards and all. But I put a collapsible stock on it just cause I had one laying around. It's in the pics that Eli posted. It's got an original colt 3x scope on that carry handle too. Cool piece that shoots pretty well.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/eneje8ev.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/7yvyzu4u.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/egeme9yb.jpg


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djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:06 PM
Hey Dave,

I know this is like asking "How high is up" but....................how much would you think it would cost me to build a rather standard run of the mill 5.56 AR? With some of the more desirable options not just "plain Jane" mil-spec??

Been thinking of building one but the local guys have a Colt for $850 and was wondering if I should go with that or build.......whatdoyathink??

Unless you want to have a different stock or different type of handguards I'd just buy that Colt. That's not a bad deal. I could probably build you one for a little cheaper but it won't be a Colt. Now if you want it like mine with the longer handguard, magpul stock, custom trigger etc, it's probably better to build one.

2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 09:09 PM
Prolly the gun that I shoot the most... I put this together for my son about four years ago on his birthday...

.17HMR Ruger bolt action... This thing is wicked out to 100 yards and is CHEAP to shoot, the neighborhood squirrels HATE this mofo...

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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 09:12 PM
I put one together for my dad with an old colt upper like that one above. Triangle handguards and all. But I put a collapsible stock on it just cause I had one laying around. It's in the pics that Eli posted. It's got an original colt 3x scope on that carry handle too. Cool piece that shoots pretty well.

You may want to find out if it is chambered in .223, .223 wylde OR 5.56x45... IF it is .223 wylde thats very cool as you can switch between 5.56 and .223 ammo, they are not the same...

djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:13 PM
You may want to find out if it is chambered in .223, .223 wylde OR 5.56x45... IF it is .223 wylde thats very cool as you can switch between 5.56 and .223 ammo, they are not the same...

All of my AR's can shoot .556 or .223. But I mainly stick with .556. It's a little hotter than most .223.

Eli
01-05-2014, 09:15 PM
All of my AR's can shoot .556 or .223. But I mainly stick with .556. It's a little hotter than most .223.

What do you mean by hotter? How does that change the way it shoots?


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djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:24 PM
Prolly the gun that I shoot the most... I put this together for my son about four years ago on his birthday...

.17HMR Ruger bolt action... This thing is wicked out to 100 yards and is CHEAP to shoot, the neighborhood squirrels HATE this mofo...

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Very nice. I've got one as well. ;) :D
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/ha9atahy.jpg

Paul65K
01-05-2014, 09:24 PM
Unless you want to have a different stock or different type of handguards I'd just buy that Colt. That's not a bad deal. I could probably build you one for a little cheaper but it won't be a Colt. Now if you want it like mine with the longer handguard, magpul stock, custom trigger etc, it's probably better to build one.Thanks :thumb:

djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:25 PM
What do you mean by hotter? How does that change the way it shoots?


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I believe its a little faster. Hotter charge. I can tell the recoil difference between the .223 and the .556 out of my rifle.

djunkie
01-05-2014, 09:26 PM
Thanks :thumb:

If you just want a good shootin ar without all the custom crap we put on ours get the Colt. ;)

Eli
01-05-2014, 09:27 PM
I believe its a little faster. Hotter charge. I can tell the recoil difference between the .223 and the .556 out of my rifle.

Thanks!


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2manymustangs
01-05-2014, 10:08 PM
All of my AR's can shoot .556 or .223. But I mainly stick with .556. It's a little hotter than most .223.

Right, I meant for Paul and the $850 colt... Hopefully it is chambered in the .223 wylde which is a tad more accurate with .223 ammo than shooting .223 out of a 5.56 AND there is no question about the .223 wylde handling the extra pressures that you will see with 5.56 ammo...

I shoot both through my 5.56 guns but the .223 has a bit of a JUMP to hit the lands in a 5.56 barrel... My eyes are so poor I wouldn't know if the gun was off OR if it was just my shitty aim... ;) I think the .223 wylde chamber is a happy medium with regard to the slight variations in the OAL of a .223 ammo versus 5.56...

WESTERNAERO
01-05-2014, 11:11 PM
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Left: 223 Right: RUM
You guys and you're cute little 223's, let's talk about something that will actually take something down at distances longer than a hundred. :lmao

djunkie
01-05-2014, 11:29 PM
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Left: 223 Right: RUM
You guys and you're cute little 223's, let's talk about something that will actually take something down at distances longer than a hundred. :lmao

I've got others. ;)

WESTERNAERO
01-05-2014, 11:31 PM
I've got others. ;)

I'm sure you do, I just have to give you guys shit about something. :biggrin:

2manymustangs
01-06-2014, 07:34 AM
I've got others. ;)

Likewise... many... :)

HB Vic
01-06-2014, 08:39 AM
Guns scare me :D

Eli
01-06-2014, 08:53 AM
Guns scare me :D

They scare me too! That's why I asked someone to teach me how to handle one. I'm still not comfortable with one alone.


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HB Vic
01-06-2014, 09:11 AM
They scare me too! That's why I asked someone to teach me how to handle one. I'm still not comfortable with one alone.


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Oops I used the wrong emoticon :wink:

Eli
01-06-2014, 09:12 AM
Oops I used the wrong emoticon :wink:

Your emotions are all over the place today :D


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2manymustangs
01-06-2014, 10:46 AM
Guns scare me :D

So HB, what is your favorite flava of guns???

HB Vic
01-06-2014, 11:16 AM
So HB, what is your favorite flava of guns???

If I wasn't afraid of them, probably semi's. Glock's and Sig's. Rifles, probably Springfield M1A. Sawed off shotguns (according to Ca LOL) The Judge.

I would say the M1A is probably the most fun to shoot. The Judge with a 410-2 1/2 000 shot is also fun.

But like I said, guns scare me :D

2manymustangs
01-06-2014, 11:58 AM
If I wasn't afraid of them, probably semi's. Glock's and Sig's. Rifles, probably Springfield M1A. Sawed off shotguns (according to Ca LOL) The Judge.

I would say the M1A is probably the most fun to shoot. The Judge with a 410-2 1/2 000 shot is also fun.

But like I said, guns scare me :D

:) yeeep, the Judge is a nice little home security piece fosho.... work on that phobia will you???

I've never had the opportunity to play with a M1 garand or carbine...

djunkie
01-06-2014, 12:03 PM
So HB, what is your favorite flava of guns???

I only recently got into the ar game last year but I'm really liking them. Other than that I really like shotguns. I have a nice little collection of them. Probably cause I really enjoy upland game hunting. Other than that we enjoy playing with the .22's. Fun and cheap. If you can find ammo for them that is.

Eli
01-06-2014, 12:08 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/4u7etydu.jpg

I don't like shotguns. If not for my friend's dad, I would've fallen back on my ass real hard.

The AR was fun to shoot, but is need a lighter one. I know I've got guns, but that AR was heavy.


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djunkie
01-06-2014, 12:21 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/4u7etydu.jpg

I don't like shotguns. If not for my friend's dad, I would've fallen back on my ass real hard.

The AR was fun to shoot, but is need a lighter one. I know I've got guns, but that AR was heavy.


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My ar was heavy with that old quad rail on it. It's a bit lighter now. My wife's ar is quite a bit lighter.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/eju3e5u9.jpg

Eli
01-06-2014, 12:22 PM
My ar was heavy with that old quad rail on it. It's a bit lighter now. My wife's ar is quite a bit lighter.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/eju3e5u9.jpg

Has she shot it yet? That's a really sweet looking AR!


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djunkie
01-06-2014, 12:34 PM
Has she shot it yet? That's a really sweet looking AR!


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No not yet.

Eli
01-06-2014, 01:58 PM
No not yet.

I can break it in :D


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2manymustangs
01-06-2014, 03:18 PM
No not yet.

Weight is one of the main reasons I like the A1/A2 uppers versus a flat top... I was amazed at the weight difference... I have a 300AAC carbine that I built for deer hunting and wanted to keep it light, I am going to have a floating front hand guard but made out of carbon fiber tube using the JP floating hand guard BARREL NUT design ( guard attaches to the barrel nut with six pan head cap screws...

djunkie
01-06-2014, 03:36 PM
Weight is one of the main reasons I like the A1/A2 uppers versus a flat top... I was amazed at the weight difference... I have a 300AAC carbine that I built for deer hunting and wanted to keep it light, I am going to have a floating front hand guard but made out of carbon fiber tube using the JP floating hand guard BARREL NUT design ( guard attaches to the barrel nut with six pan head cap screws...

Those older barrels are a lot lighter. That's where a lot of the weight savings comes from. Most of mine have heavier barrels than the pencil barrel that's on my dad's gun.

2manymustangs
01-12-2014, 07:09 AM
Those older barrels are a lot lighter. That's where a lot of the weight savings comes from. Most of mine have heavier barrels than the pencil barrel that's on my dad's gun.

Yeeep, I have a few uppers built with the light contour barrels and several with the heavy contour barrel...

WIth the upper reciever, by the time you put all of the poop on the flat tops they get heavy... I like the higher line of sight on the A1/A2 uppers, this is how the gun was originally designed back in the late 50's...

P.S. I also like the carry handle in the woods for long treks...

SnoC653
01-12-2014, 07:22 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/4u7etydu.jpg

I don't like shotguns. If not for my friend's dad, I would've fallen back on my ass real hard.

The AR was fun to shoot, but is need a lighter one. I know I've got guns, but that AR was heavy.


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You need a better stance before you shoot. Lean forward with a foot forward and 70 % of your weight on the forward leg and it won't do that.

Eli
01-12-2014, 09:08 AM
You need a better stance before you shoot. Lean forward with a foot forward and 70 % of your weight on the forward leg and it won't do that.

Thanks! That was 2012. I'm way better now lol


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HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 05:45 PM
Guns scare me. :)

Eli
03-26-2014, 06:05 PM
Guns scare me. :)

Aren't you selling guns?


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HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 06:10 PM
Aren't you selling guns?


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That's the rumor!

Eli
03-26-2014, 06:22 PM
You need a better stance before you shoot. Lean forward with a foot forward and 70 % of your weight on the forward leg and it won't do that.

I tend to lean back all the time and as soon as I lean forward I do much better. I also wasn't expecting to go shooting that day, so the shoes were not ideal lol

HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 06:26 PM
I tend to lean back all the time and as soon as I lean forward I do much better. I also wasn't expecting to go shooting that day, so the shoes were not ideal lol

We like to call that the Charlie's Angels shooting stance. :D

HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 07:00 PM
I tend to lean back all the time and as soon as I lean forward I do much better. I also wasn't expecting to go shooting that day, so the shoes were not ideal lol

With your petite frame, you would probably do well with a BullPup shotgun.

36789

Eli
03-26-2014, 07:01 PM
With your petite frame, you would probably do well with a BullPup shotgun.

36789

That's bad ass! I'm not petite! Compared to you I'm a giant!


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HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 07:06 PM
36790
That's bad ass! I'm not petite! Compared to you I'm a giant!


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That is a Keltec KSG...kind of spendy.

But they make a bullpup kit for a remington that is a lot more affordable, and a lot more reliable! This pic is a before and after conversion:

Eli
03-26-2014, 07:08 PM
36790

That is a Keltec KSG...kind of spendy.

But they make a bullpup kit for a remington that is a lot more affordable, and a lot more reliable! This pic is a before and after conversion:

Those two look nothing alike?????????


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HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 07:10 PM
Those two look nothing alike?????????


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I know! It takes about 30 minutes to do the conversion.

Eli
03-26-2014, 07:10 PM
I know! It takes about 30 minutes to do the conversion.

That's crazy!


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HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 07:11 PM
http://youtu.be/xQ_kTTRWc2c

HolyMoly
03-26-2014, 07:20 PM
She actually shoots the gun pretty well - leans back a bit in the beginning, but she has some technique to improve. She is too low on her shoulder....pretty common as people think the entire pad of the buttstock should be in the shoulder. And she is chicken winging a bit, which allows the shotgun to move out a bit. There is a nice little pocket just to the inside of your shoulder that the bottom of the shotgun should sit in, it allows great contact that bruises minimally, and you don't have to drop your head to get on the sights (as much).