Dimarco cruiser

[WESTERNAERO]

The time has come to start building new hardware for the boat.
This will include all new machined, by yours truly, cav plate hardware, strut, prop shaft, stringer rails, engine plates, throttle and down pedal assembly, drive line cover and other miscellaneous hardware.
I had planned on doing this project a few years ago but life gets in the way sometimes. Now it is time to finish it. This is the boat, sorry all the pictures I have at the moment.
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[WESTERNAERO]

Some parts that I had already made before.
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Cav plate stuff
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This is a tail shaft housing for a TH400 that I made to replace the original one.

[WESTERNAERO]

Tonight I started making the bearing housings for the down pedal and throttle assembly.
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There will be three of these, I'll put up the finished pics after the weekend.

[Paul65K]

Looking forward to watching your progress......Subscribed!!

[WESTERNAERO]

Thought maybe I should include the CAD drawings as I go also. This is what the bearing housings above will end up being.
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[gn7]

DAAAAAAMN! This could get good!:thumbsUp:

[WESTERNAERO]

DAAAAAAMN! This could get good!:thumbsUp:

Oh, you're back. I'll be looking forward to your input, I think.

[GotHalos]

Nice work! Looking forward to the rest :thumbup:

[314joey]

Looks great to me already.

[HB Vic]

Very cool. Do you own a shop or is this just an expensive hobby??

[WESTERNAERO]

Very cool. Do you own a shop or is this just an expensive hobby??

All hobbies are expensive, but yes I own a machine shop. Aerospace, defense and spaceflight stuff.

[HB Vic]

All hobbies are expensive, but yes I own a machine shop. Aerospace, defense and spaceflight stuff.

Very cool. We have a little in common :D 20777 Not trying to thread jack, sorry.

[WESTERNAERO]

What's your company? What are you doing with that thing, refurb?
This is the type of stuff i do, mostly the parts that nobody wants to touch. A lot of 5-axis shit out of nasty materials.
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[gn7]

I have no idea what that is, but I want 2. Do you take Visa?

[WESTERNAERO]

Don't think you'd really want to pay the bill on those. The material was inconel and the part is 12.00 x 12.00 dia. The material bill on those made my ass pucker hard.

[WESTERNAERO]

It's funny most of the parts for this re-rig on the boat will be made out of exotics ( Inconel, A-286, Nitronic, Hastelloy, etc.) because that's what I have laying around the shop. When I'm done the boat will be worth more in scrap poundage than market value of the boat.:bangmyhead:

[Sharp shooter]

I'm glad I peeked in on the dungeon down here. Good stuff WESTERNAREO!:thumbsUp:

[gn7]

Yep, every so often you have to wonder out to the back 40 and check for strays and mend fences.

[GotHalos]

Good stuff in here :thumbup:

[Wheeler]

Nice looking parts, Great looking boat!

Thanks for sharing with us. :3:

[WESTERNAERO]

New part for new fuel system. Waiting on other pieces to show up.
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[78Southwind]

The time has come to start building new hardware for the boat.
This will include all new machined, by yours truly, cav plate hardware, strut, prop shaft, stringer rails, engine plates, throttle and down pedal assembly, drive line cover and other miscellaneous hardware.
I had planned on doing this project a few years ago but life gets in the way sometimes. Now it is time to finish it. This is the boat, sorry all the pictures I have at the moment.
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How the hell did I miss this thread this is the one I have been waiting for...:action-smiley-069:


Beautiful boat! Can I get more pictures of the interior especially the back seat area? I can't wait to see the throttle and down pedal assembly. I hate the way mine is set up.

[WESTERNAERO]

I'm getting rid of the interior, if you want it for templates you're welcome to it.
You do realize that the Dimarcos were stretched in the cockpit area and 12"-16" though. You'll need to make adjustments for that.

[78Southwind]

I'm getting rid of the interior, if you want it for templates you're welcome to it.
You do realize that the Dimarcos were stretched in the cockpit area and 12"-16" though. You'll need to make adjustments for that.

Yes, I want it. The interior looks bitchin in the pictures. What are you doing different?

Do you have any pictures of the throttle and down pedal assembly? Are you still up to making some of the stuff I need?

[WESTERNAERO]

Yes, I want it. The interior looks bitchin in the pictures. What are you doing different?

Do you have any pictures of the throttle and down pedal assembly? Are you still up to making some of the stuff I need?
Everything looks bitchin in pictures, just like porn actress's. :speechless-smiley-0
I thought you were taking your boat to somebody already? But yeah, I can make doubles of some things. The only problem is some of the stuff can't just be popped off the machine. Anything mounted to stringers is going to be one off. When I get closer to really banging parts out I'll get a hold of you and we can talk about it.

[78Southwind]

Everything looks bitchin in pictures, just like porn actress's. :speechless-smiley-0 Nice:wink2:
I thought you were taking your boat to somebody already? I am just having them build the blast plate. But yeah, I can make doubles of some things. The only problem is some of the stuff can't just be popped off the machine. I just don't like the way the throttle and down pedal assembly is set up in my Spectra so I wanted to see how you are making yours Anything mounted to stringers is going to be one off. When I get closer to really banging parts out I'll get a hold of you and we can talk about it. Cool

Thanks...

[gn7]

New part for new fuel system. Waiting on other pieces to show up.
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If you're running an electric pump, that's the one to get!!

[WESTERNAERO]

Started making the fuel pump mount tonight, might finish tomorrow.
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[WESTERNAERO]

Also got a little turning work done on some cav pedal assembly parts. Bearing retainer roughed in for the 3-D profile and shaft retainer sleeves turned.
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[WESTERNAERO]

Shaft bearing housings are finished less deburr, polish and press of the bearings.
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[WESTERNAERO]

Finally got some machine time for myself and finished up the fuel pump mount.
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[Mitch]

Doesnt get much better than that ....

[78Southwind]

Taking it to another level...:yes:

[WMC]

Sweet

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[HB Vic]

Very nice work. Mastercam?

[WESTERNAERO]

Very nice work. Mastercam?

Matercam and Catia. But yeah Mastercam for this stuff.

[2manymustangs]

What's your company? What are you doing with that thing, refurb?
This is the type of stuff i do, mostly the parts that nobody wants to touch. A lot of 5-axis shit out of nasty materials.
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Cool stuff :)

I just started looking at this thread, very nice work sir!!!!!!!!

[WESTERNAERO]

Middle of Feb and I just got the motor out..:bangmyhead:
It's go time I guess. We'll see how much I get done before summer and then it's going back together with what new parts I've made and what ever is left of the old stuff.
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[78Southwind]

How about some details on the engine.

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[WESTERNAERO]

How about some details on the engine.

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Yes it does need a detail, it's very dirty. Is that what you meant?:biggrin:
It's your typical 540.

[78Southwind]

Yes it does need a detail, it's very dirty. Is that what you meant?:biggrin:
It's your typical 540.

Don't be bashful. Give us the details!

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[WESTERNAERO]

Don't be bashful. Give us the details!

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I'm not sure what you'd like to know. I built it 6-7 years ago, I don't remember much unless I dig out all the old receipts. Don't remember the cam specs but it's a Crane hydraulic roller. Edelbrock Victor heads, CNC ported by Rich at West Coast Racing Cylinder heads don't remember valve size. Dart block, Crower light weight rods, Probe pistons, can't remember who's crank is in there. BDS 8-71 blower and comp manifold. Off the top of my head that's what it is.
Never had it dyno'd so no idea on numbers. It's way underdriven(notice the wagon wheel for a top pulley) to run cheap gas and it makes plenty of power for a cruiser.

[Sharp shooter]

It's way underdriven(notice the wagon wheel for a top pulley) to run cheap gas and it makes plenty of power for a cruiser.

This is a wagon wheel! :D

Looks great man!

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/userpics/GN-7_s_engine.jpg

[WESTERNAERO]

This is a wagon wheel! :D

Funny! Is that another one of your photo chops? :biggrin:

[WESTERNAERO]

Well I had some fun today. Almost completely stripped and ready for some repairs and prep for balsa and gel. Exhaust holes will be filled along with water pickups.
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[Menace Marine]

Looks good. Pain in the ass huh?


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[WESTERNAERO]

Looks good. Pain in the ass huh?


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Na, I done it few times.

[JusTrouble]

Wow. Literally, dreams to reality. Very impressive.

[WESTERNAERO]

Rudder shaft log is finished. 304 or 316 stainless, I'm not sure. Made it out of a chunk I had laying around. Nickel/aluminum/bronze bushing.
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[Mrs.K034]

I have to say, I am very impressed and can't wait to see this this done. How are the floors and gel coming?

[WESTERNAERO]

I have to say, I am very impressed and can't wait to see this this done. How are the floors and gel coming?

Sanding/blocking the floors and transom last week and was going to do some repair this weekend but the weather has put a stop to that. Looks like a machining weekend.

[Mrs.K034]

Sanding/blocking the floors and transom last week and was going to do some repair this weekend but the weather has put a stop to that. Looks like a machining weekend.

Nice, I always love pictures of progress!! We've been up every night till after midnight working on the 711 and I didn't even have enough time to snap a shot. But we are stressed for time to get racing next weekend. Keep up the good work!

[WESTERNAERO]

Glassed up some balsa samples a few nights ago to make sure I got the hang of this shit when it comes time to lay it down.
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[Jersey Girl]

Looks nice!!!


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[WESTERNAERO]

Oh yeah, stainless adapter fitting. Been working though these when I have lathe time. Not even halfway done. :shock:
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[SFV2RVR]

Oh yeah, stainless adapter fitting. Been working though these when I have lathe time. Not even halfway done. :shock:
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Better double that order buddy so I can change mine over! Lol

[78Southwind]

Sweet...:thumbsUp:

[WESTERNAERO]

Better double that order buddy so I can change mine over! Lol

How did I know that was coming.....:asshole2:

[SnoC653]

Oh yeah, stainless adapter fitting. Been working though these when I have lathe time. Not even halfway done. :shock:
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Looks great, but we all know the true test is how well they fit and seal. Keep up the good work :thumbup::thumbup:

[WESTERNAERO]

Looks great, but we all know the true test is how well they fit and seal. Keep up the good work :thumbup::thumbup:

They will fit and seal perfectly. I've made one or two of these before..:wink:

[SnoC653]

They will fit and seal perfectly. I've made one or two of these before..:wink:

LOL that's what they all say. Just send over enough to rig the K boat and I'll give you a second opinion. :drool

[HotWater]

LOL that's what they all say. Just send over enough to rig the K boat and I'll give you a second opinion. :drool

Speaking of rigging that K boat. You need to hurry up, otherwise you will never get a chance to race it. :biggrin:

[WESTERNAERO]

LOL that's what they all say. Just send over enough to rig the K boat and I'll give you a second opinion. :drool

Looks like you're in Iowa. You can have the fitting for free but the shipping is going to be in the neighborhood of $1000. :biggrin:

[Sanger_Spectra]

Can't wait to see this cruiser finished, your craftsmanship is awesome!

[WESTERNAERO]

Thanks for the kind words everyone.
Making more shit today, we'll see if I get it finished in time to post some pics.

[SnoC653]

Looks like you're in Iowa. You can have the fitting for free but the shipping is going to be in the neighborhood of $1000. :biggrin:

Maybe they'll let me extend my X-country flight for my commercial. It's not like I need to do all the little flights they have scheduled.

[WESTERNAERO]

Maybe they'll let me extend my X-country flight for my commercial. It's not like I need to do all the little flights they have scheduled.

:headscratch: What, are you a pilot?

[SnoC653]

:headscratch: What, are you a pilot?

I have a commercial instrument ticket for sling wing with a S70 type rating. Since I retired from the military, I'm going back to do the airplane transitions. The school is having a hard time understanding that with 2000 hrs, I don't need to do all the little x-cntry flights to get my ratings. They are a 141 school and are struggling with the fact that a transition isn't the same as learning to fly. If they want me to fly x-cntry they should let me go somewhere fun. Like to a boat race.

[WESTERNAERO]

A little preview of some parts in the works right now.
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[Mitch]

A little preview of some parts in the works right now.
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That is very cool ! Have you ever considered making it one piece ?

[WESTERNAERO]

One more.
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[WESTERNAERO]

That is very cool ! Have you ever considered making it one piece ?

That was my original plan. But after thinking about it I decided to make everything separate. I was concerned that any movement of the motor plate and the block might create an oil leak. So I thought it best to keep them separated.
The gap between the three pieces is much tighter than it looks on the CAD file. .090 distance, so it will look close to being one piece.

[gn7]

You're really beginning to piss me off!!!

[WESTERNAERO]

You're really beginning to piss me off!!!

Again, the avatar is perfect for the statement...:lmao

[Sanger_Spectra]

WOW WOW WOW, I think I got left on the 60's somehow, and was barely born in that decade.

When you start to build can you snap some shots of the process? Very cool!

[78Southwind]

I can't wait to see this all come together.

[WESTERNAERO]

WOW WOW WOW, I think I got left on the 60's somehow, and was barely born in that decade.

When you start to build can you snap some shots of the process? Very cool!

Yes, this weekend.

[WESTERNAERO]

I can't wait to see this all come together.

You and me both. :biggrin:

[WESTERNAERO]

Okay, got the timing cover base machined tonight.
The material is faced and the dowel pin holes are drilled along with 2 bolt holes to hold the work piece down. Sub plate is then faced and dowel pins drilled and pressed into the plate to locate the timing cover for machining.
Part is then faced and profile roughed out with a insert hogging mill.
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It's then finished with an endmill on the profile and the cover recess is machined in.
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All the mounting holes are now drilled and the lowers are tapped for the cover. Bolts are now put in the mounting holes and tightened so the part doesn't move when machining out the inside profile.
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Inside profile is machined
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And 1 finished timing cover base.
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[GotHalos]

Badass! :thumbup:

[WESTERNAERO]

Started on the timing cover face tonight. Deviated from the original cad file a bit.
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[Mitch]

Started on the timing cover face tonight. Deviated from the original cad file a bit.
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Looks very nice with the pump extension included .

[Sharp shooter]

Yes, really nice!!!!

[WESTERNAERO]

Thanks Joe, Thanks Jerry.
Jerry, It was nice to meet you Sat, even though I was a little buzzed.

[Mrs.K034]

Looks amazing! So, what's your deadline on this baby? 😉

[WESTERNAERO]

Looks amazing! So, what's your deadline on this baby? ��
Some time in May. Marc says it won't happen. I'm going to prove him wrong......:biggrin:

[Mrs.K034]

Some time in May. Marc says it won't happen. I'm going to prove him wrong......:biggrin:

Oh yeah, you'll have to now! Hey, even if it's done May 31st, you've still proved Mark wrong! Lol. One of the greatest things in life, proving other people wrong. 😃

[SBS933]

Hey Westernaro, I didn't get to meet you on Sat. I partied till 2:00 a.m. so I was walking dead around the puddle. Next Time, I still owe you some cold ones.

[SFV2RVR]

Some time in May. Marc says it won't happen. I'm going to prove him wrong......:biggrin:

It ain't gonna happen bud! ;)

[Mrs.K034]

It ain't gonna happen bud! ;)

He's given himself a deadline now.. And he's made it public.. Gives him even more drive to get it done. Lol..

[SFV2RVR]

He's given himself a deadline now.. And he's made it public.. Gives him even more drive to get it done. Lol..

I know how busy he is at work making parts for me. If he starts looking like he's gonna make the deadline, I'll just order more custom shit for my boat so I can keep him busy! :)

[gn7]

It ain't gonna happen bud! ;)

Not if he keeps thinking up billet porn to make out of stainless, aluminum and unobtainium

[ogshotgun]

kevin you do some AMAZING machine work and i mean AMAZING .. can't wait to see this one

[WESTERNAERO]

It ain't gonna happen bud! ;)

Guess who gets to taxi my ass up and down the river if it doesn't. :wink:

[SFV2RVR]

Guess who gets to taxi my ass up and down the river if it doesn't. :wink:

Oh great. Although I'm not sure fat ass is gonna fit back there with you?! ;)

[WESTERNAERO]

Oh great. Although I'm not sure fat ass is gonna fit back there with you?! ;)

:yikes:..........

[WESTERNAERO]

All finished with the timing cover and pump stand off. A little mock-up to make sure all measurements were good. Starting on the blower belt idler bracket tonight.
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[HotWater]

All finished with the timing cover and pump stand off. A little mock-up to make sure all measurements were good. Starting on the blower belt idler bracket tonight.
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Sweet!

[Mrs.K034]

All finished with the timing cover and pump stand off. A little mock-up to make sure all measurements were good. Starting on the blower belt idler bracket tonight.
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👍👍👍 nice stuff!! Keep em coming!

[SnoC653]

All finished with the timing cover and pump stand off. A little mock-up to make sure all measurements were good. Starting on the blower belt idler bracket tonight.
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That sure is nice looking, how many of these did you make for us? :wink2:

[78Southwind]

That sure is nice looking, how many of these did you make for us? :wink2:

That's what I was thinking!:action-smiley-035::biggrin:

[WESTERNAERO]

That sure is nice looking, how many of these did you make for us? :wink2:

Send payment and I'll whip one out for ya. :D

[Lifes Rough]

Kevin I just went through this thread from the beginning, Simply over the top

[2manymustangs]

That sure is nice looking, how many of these did you make for us? :wink2:

One version in BBF, one version in 440 mopar, 12 in BBC... Please... ;)

[SnoC653]

Send payment and I'll whip one out for ya. :D

As nice as that piece is, I have a feeling I could knock out a lot of the rigging on the K boat for what one would set me back. I guess for now I should focus on functional over wow factor. But I sure do envy people that have access to that type of equipment and can knock stuff like this out. Great job.

[WESTERNAERO]

Spent most of the weekend designing these and other parts for a 2 stage cam driven water pump. Trying to get most of it finished tonight. Uses all Mercury seals, bearings and impellers so it will be 100% serviceable anywhere.
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[ogshotgun]

Spent most of the weekend designing these and other parts for a 2 stage cam driven water pump. Trying to get most of it finished tonight. Uses all Mercury seals, bearings and impellers so it will be 100% serviceable anywhere.
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very nice

[WESTERNAERO]

More progress on the 2 stage water pump tonight.
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[78Southwind]

Wow...you mean business.:action-smiley-035:

[HB Vic]

Very cool 👍👍


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[HotWater]

Really nice pump. Is it made so one stage feed's the other or does it work as two seperate pumps with two more port's not shown?

[SFV2RVR]

Really nice pump. Is it made so one stage feed's the other or does it work as two seperate pumps with two more port's not shown?

Two separate pumps with two ports not shown. 1 will feed the motor and the other will feed the exhaust. I was at Kevin's shop yesterday for about 7 hours while he was machining and cad drawing on this thing. It's badass!

[HotWater]

Two separate pumps with two ports not shown. 1 will feed the motor and the other will feed the exhaust. I was at Kevin's shop yesterday for about 7 hours while he was machining and cad drawing on this thing. It's badass!

Nice! That's what I was thinking that it is two stacked pump's, that's a good way to get the required flow.

[WESTERNAERO]

So the pump is basically the same as a Hardin, KE or a Latham 2 stage belt driven pump. It uses all the seals, o-rings, bearing, wear plates and impellers out of a mercury pump so the the parts will be available anywhere. The two main impeller bodies are the same as others. The end plate, mid section, shaft bearing housing, shaft and intermediate drive adapter are all different. It has 4 of the -16 port to hose adapapters, one pump will flow to the engines and coolers and the other for exhaust only.
I was going to run my v-105 neovane but after talking to several people about the CMI headers they need much more water flow than the neovane can provide. I was looking for a cam driven pump that had 2 stages and I wasn't able to find one so I ended up with this science project.

[ptc]

Extremely nice work product you got going on here, thanks for sharing it with us.

Now this is some serious boating content! thx

[78Southwind]

How does the water pump mount? Are you building a bracket so it can hang from the engine plate?

[gn7]

You running a roller cam in that thing?

[WESTERNAERO]

You running a roller cam in that thing?

Yes, why? Endplay?

[WESTERNAERO]

How does the water pump mount? Are you building a bracket so it can hang from the engine plate?

Cam driven. Off the front cover

[gn7]

Yes, why? Endplay?

No, but I would be thinking if the very best timing chain you know if.
Not to make things any worse, but the lack of a damper isn't making the chain any happier either.

[WESTERNAERO]

No, but I would be thinking if the very best timing chain you know if.
Not to make things any worse, but the lack of a damper isn't making the chain any happier either.

So you think an extra impeller is going to put an over the top extreme amount of resistance over the already 1 impeller it's driving and the shit piles of valve spring pressure that it's already turning?

[SBS933]

Damn, I can't believe I jumped into this thread earlier, without starting from page 1. Freekin Awesome work Kevin.

[ogshotgun]

More progress on the 2 stage water pump tonight.
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[NRI]

Looking good Kevin! :thumbup:

[gn7]

So you think an extra impeller is going to put an over the top extreme amount of resistance over the already 1 impeller it's driving and the shit piles of valve spring pressure that it's already turning?

Roller cam, two pumps, no damper. It all adds up. Just be sure you use a GOOD chain. There is some shit out there and some of it has well known names one them. VERY WELL KNOWN NAMES.
If the engine isn't already together, I would consider a Rollmaster set.
Stay away from ones from the cam campanies. Most of them are buying gear from Dyna Gear and the chain from a separate vendor. Ton of chain coming out of India, some with Reynolds name on them. Reynolds is a good chain, if it comes from England. But you can't tell.

[HotWater]

Westernaero, how about posting some pictures with description's of the machine's that make those parts?

[HotWater]

Roller cam, two pumps, no damper. It all adds up. Just be sure you use a GOOD chain. There is some shit out there and some of it has well known names one them. VERY WELL KNOWN NAMES.
If the engine isn't already together, I would consider a Rollmaster set.
Stay away from ones from the cam campanies. Most of them are buying gear from Dyna Gear and the chain from a separate vendor. Ton of chain coming out of India, some with Reynolds name on them. Reynolds is a good chain, if it comes from England. But you can't tell.

Is the chain Cloye's sell's worth a darn?

[WESTERNAERO]

Westernaero, how about posting some pictures with description's of the machine's that make those parts?

Stanley hammer & Harbor Freight chisel. And a six pack of PBR. I've got a pretty low over head. :thumb:

[HotWater]

Stanley hammer & Harbor Freight chisel. And a six pack of PBR. I've got a pretty low over head. :thumb:

I'd say so. I'd love to see what you could accomplish with my Harbor Freight 7x10.

[gn7]

Is the chain Cloye's sell's worth a darn?

They can be. The problem is that they, along with virtually all the others, go with the chain that is available at the time that meets the price. I have seen Cloyes hex adjusts that had two different chains. IWIS:thumbup: and Rolon :thumbsdown
I see Cloyes "Billet" sets with DID and Reynolds.
Rollmaster is the only set that I know of that uses a IWIS chain in every set,

If you are going to run a Cloyes, I would run the Race Billet set, not the Hex Adjust, and definitely not the Quick Adjust!!!! I want to believe they are putting the best chain possible in those sets.

The one thing you have to very watchful for is the word "BILLET" It always sounds so cool, be they have a less than "RACE" billet econo set too. And that's the set 90% of the cam companies are peddling.
Its hard to convince yourself that there is difference between Cloyes TX-9 set for 160.00 , and Howard Cams "double roller billet" for 87.00, Trick Flow's Billet for 79.00,
If you look at Crane, they have one billet set for 118.00, and another for 198.00. Hard to justify that 80.00, until your valves are getting intimate.

Its hard to save much money on a billet sprocket. The savings in any of these sets is in the chain. When the "billet" sets get really cheap like the Howards and Trick Flow, its usually a import sprockets(s) and cheap India or Chinese chain.

Its the chain that ALWAYS fails. I have seen one IRON crank sprocket fail in my life. Never seen a steel crank sprocket fail. Never seen a cam sprocket, iron or billet fail.


This chain failed in 4 hrs. (not mine) I had one fail mid season(Manley). That was enough for me, and I switch to a gear drive. 2 Milodon gear drive setups was cheaper (than pistons, valves and new T set) repairs from the failed T set

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[WESTERNAERO]

They can be. The problem is that they, along with virtually all the others, go with the chain that is available at the time for that meets the price. I have seen Cloyes hex adjusts that had two different chains. IWIS:thumbup: and Rolon :thumbsdown
See Cloyes "Billet" sets with DID and Reynolds.
Rollmaster is the only set that I know of that uses a IWIS chain in every set,

If you are going to run a Cloyes, I would run the Race Billet set, not the Hex Adjust, and definitely not the Quick Adjust!!!!

Is the IWIS made in Italy? I've heard that is the one to have.

[ogshotgun]

Is the IWIS made in Italy? I've heard that is the one to have.
is a gear drive out of the question or a belt setup like jesel ? sure you could make one

[WESTERNAERO]

is a gear drive out of the question or a belt setup like jesel ? sure you could make one

The motor is already together and running. I'm not a fan of gear drives either.

[gn7]

Is the IWIS made in Italy? I've heard that is the one to have.
Iwis is German

is a gear drive out of the question or a belt setup like jesel ? sure you could make one
belts will take a lot of load and RPM, but they have a limited life span as well. One year is the max I would run one. They really don't like heat, like a closed engine compartment.

The motor is already together and running. I'm not a fan of gear drives either.
Well, when you consider they are good enough for a Top Fuel or Funny with the monster pumps they drive, I'll live with the harmonics issues. I would put a dual idler gear drive on a lawn mower. Their worse than a cheap chain. I have seen the crank gear fail on those because the gear is thinner than a chain or Milodon/Muldoon/Donovan gear drive. Even with the so called harmonics issues, my spark timing is waaay more stable with the gear drive that it ever was with the T chain.

[gn7]

If they sold this setup for a BBC, I'd be all over it. There are 2 gear T sets for BBC, but they are crap.
http://i37.tinypic.com/izqd5e.jpg

[WESTERNAERO]

If they sold this setup for a BBC, I'd be all over it. There are 2 gear T sets for BBC, but they are crap.
http://i37.tinypic.com/izqd5e.jpg

What the hell is that? the cam would run backwards..

[gn7]

Not if the engine did:action-smiley-069:

[WESTERNAERO]

Not if the engine did:action-smiley-069:

:asshole2:

[WESTERNAERO]

Okay, back to the water pump.
So, in the pics it looks like the pump is going to be huge, so I took a pic of the old and new side by side. The new 2 stage is only 1/2 pound heavier also which made me happy.
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[gn7]

That's because the new one is made of unobtainium, and the neovane is made of stone age bronze.
Super looking set up. But there is something about the bolts I don't care for:hmmm:

Now that you have the program, you should be able to whip me up one for.....oh......50 buck?:schreck:

[ogshotgun]

:asshole2:
i ran that set up on a donovan motor on the street a long time ago a reverse camshaft was required it worked good , but hard to beta cam except for isky , i run a pete jackson set up in my race car its noisy but its timing is dead on and its been in there for quite a while

[ogshotgun]

That's because the new one is made of unobtainium, and the neovane is made of stone age bronze.
Super looking set up. But there is something about the bolts I don't care for:hmmm:

Now that you have the program, you should be able to whip me up one for.....oh......50 buck?:schreck:

yes and i want one too

[gn7]

yes and i want one too

Sorry, but that's a Chevy part. But Casale does make a killer gear drive and cover for Mopars for about $1,000 that will drive your pump that you might be interested in. Force, Shumacher and Bernstein use them

[2manymustangs]

Okay, back to the water pump.
So, in the pics it looks like the pump is going to be huge, so I took a pic of the old and new side by side. The new 2 stage is only 1/2 pound heavier also which made me happy.


Very nice work sir! :thumb:

[Mitch]

Okay, back to the water pump.
So, in the pics it looks like the pump is going to be huge, so I took a pic of the old and new side by side. The new 2 stage is only 1/2 pound heavier also which made me happy.
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Very nice ! You going to attach it with a band clamp ?

[WESTERNAERO]

Very nice ! You going to attach it with a band clamp ?

JB Weld..

[2manymustangs]

JB Weld..

LMAO, that is my dads cure to all of the worlds problems... :thumbsUp:

[Mitch]

Hmm ? I was serious a quick disconnect band style clamp is the bad ass way to hang that .Pull one lever and its off no fuckin around . FYI look at Neil and Parks web site check out the tri drive and how the accessories are mounted I think you will enjoy checking it out it bad ass like your stuff .

[WESTERNAERO]

Sorry Joe I thought you were messing around. I'll check it out now, I was just about to start the intermediate housing.

[WESTERNAERO]

Hmm ? I was serious a quick disconnect band style clamp is the bad ass way to hang that .Pull one lever and its off no fuckin around . FYI look at Neil and Parks web site check out the tri drive and how the accessories are mounted I think you will enjoy checking it out it bad ass like your stuff .

Are you talking about a V-band clamp?

[78Southwind]

Hmm ? I was serious a quick disconnect band style clamp is the bad ass way to hang that .Pull one lever and its off no fuckin around . FYI look at Neil and Parks web site check out the tri drive and how the accessories are mounted I think you will enjoy checking it out it bad ass like your stuff .

I am getting one of these for my Dad's deck boat.:stir:

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[Mitch]

Are you talking about a V-band clamp?

Yes v band quick disconect ran them on my comp eliminator simple clean bullet proof , perfect alingment and no fastners .What I liked is if you wanted to service lets say the side just pull the lever half way and rotate it up and lock it back down .

[Mitch]

I am getting one of these for my Dad's deck boat.:stir:

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Why not use it for a step on the back of your boat

[WESTERNAERO]

Cam drive for the pump. Shaft socket is .750 major, .500 minor triangulated full radius profile made from 15-5PH h950 condition. Should be plenty strong.
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[gn7]

Cam drive for the pump. Shaft socket is .750 major, .500 minor triangulated full radius profile made from 15-5PH h950 condition. Should be plenty strong.
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Nice setup! I like it :thumb:

[Mitch]

Very nice :)

[HotWater]

Cam drive for the pump. Shaft socket is .750 major, .500 minor triangulated full radius profile made from 15-5PH h950 condition. Should be plenty strong.
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The drive spud is shaped to match that, instead of a regular hex?

[WESTERNAERO]

The drive spud is shaped to match that, instead of a regular hex?

Yes. It's on the machine I'll put up pics in a little while.

[WESTERNAERO]

Okay, here you go. The drive end of the shaft to mate with the cam drive. Shaft is made from A-286, all diameters ended being .0007 total run-out. It has 2 large bearings in the center of the shaft with a .0003 press so they won't be too hard to get off if they ever need replacing. I gave it .005 clearance on the male to female fit of the drive end to allow for any misalignment when it all goes together.
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[Mrs.K034]

Okay, here you go. The drive end of the shaft to mate with the cam drive. Shaft is made from A-286, all diameters ended being .0007 total run-out. It has 2 large bearings in the center of the shaft with a .0003 press so they won't be too hard to get off if they ever need replacing. I gave it .005 clearance on the male to female fit of the drive end to allow for any misalignment when it all goes together.
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Very impressive! :)

[djunkie]

Holy shit. And I mean that in a good way.

[WESTERNAERO]

Been waiting for this to show up for a while now. Looks like it's going to ship soon. Got it from a member on PB.
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[Sharp shooter]

Been waiting for this to show up for a while now. Looks like it's going to ship soon. Got it from a member on PB.

I could be wrong, but I think Hondo first initiated that style of scoop. I've always liked them. :thumbup:

[WESTERNAERO]

I could be wrong, but I think Hondo first initiated that style of scoop. I've always liked them. :thumbup:

I thought it was a gasser thing

[ogshotgun]

Okay, here you go. The drive end of the shaft to mate with the cam drive. Shaft is made from A-286, all diameters ended being .0007 total run-out. It has 2 large bearings in the center of the shaft with a .0003 press so they won't be too hard to get off if they ever need replacing. I gave it .005 clearance on the male to female fit of the drive end to allow for any misalignment when it all goes together.
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very nice i can sleep now trying to figure out going from a 1 bolt cam to a three bolt.. piece of cake for you... very very nice job

[gn7]

I could be wrong, but I think Hondo first initiated that style of scoop. I've always liked them. :thumbup:


I thought it was a gasser thing

Close
First appeared on the Surfer's dragster:
http://hiltonartandvintageracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/398034_4439174810128_203608696_n.jpeg



Shortly after on the Greer-Black-Prudhomme dragster:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/vintage.jpg


First boat I remember it on was Casali's Panic Mouse

[Mitch]

Close
First appeared on the Surfer's dragster:
http://hiltonartandvintageracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/398034_4439174810128_203608696_n.jpeg



Shortly after on the Greer-Black-Prudhomme dragster:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/vintage.jpg


First boat I remember it on was Casali's Panic Mouse

The surfers first car was 1965 , GBP was 63 before the Xmas tree look at the age difference of the cars in the photos . The first car to run that scoop was Tony Nancys 22 jr rail built in 63 ,Steve Swaja designed that scoop when the Surfers were in high school .

[WESTERNAERO]

very nice i can sleep now trying to figure out going from a 1 bolt cam to a three bolt.. piece of cake for you... very very nice job

Micheal, I'm not sure what you're trying say here. Unless you're refering to making one of these deals for your Chrysler. But you don't have to worry about the shit I make, it's 100% quality shit, until it breaks.:biggrin:

[WESTERNAERO]

Bob, this should make you feel all puffy chested. I took your advise and ordered a Rollmaster set. My chain was due for replacing anyway but I searched around and found one, they're not easy to find BTW.

[ogshotgun]

Micheal, I'm not sure what you're trying say here. Unless you're refering to making one of these deals for your Chrysler. But you don't have to worry about the shit I make, it's 100% quality shit, until it breaks.:biggrin:
what aim saying is that when i need some that is true quality and precision i know where to go

[gn7]

The surfers first car was 1965 , GBP was 63 before the Xmas tree look at the age difference of the cars in the photos . The first car to run that scoop was Tony Nancys 22 jr rail built in 63 ,Steve Swaja designed that scoop when the Surfers were in high school .

Your right, Tony was the first one to use it now that you mention it. You could be right about the GBP car having it first. The Surfers was the first car I remember it on, but that may because I followed them closer than the GBP car.
The Surfers actually come on the scene in 64 without Sorokin. They didn't accomplish much until he came onboard in 65.
But you're certainly right about T Nancy having before anybody else I can remember.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/drag1b.jpg

[Mitch]

63 the fuel ban was still in effect and flag man starts .... Amazing how things have changed .

[gn7]

63 the fuel ban was still in effect and flag man starts .... Amazing how things have changed .

The tree was actually used at the 63 Nationals in Indy. 64 at the Winternationals in Pomona. Then the tree lost 2 of the 5 amber bulbs. Pro starts went from a single amber at the bottom to all 3 lighting.
The nitro ban had little effect from my standpoint. I was a stones throw from Lions, and they ignored the ban all the time. They even ran a nitro event at the same weekend as the Nationals one year, and pissed the NHRA of something fierce. They were always pissing the NHRA off one way or another. :smile:

[Sharp shooter]

Thanks for the history lesson gents! :)

[wildbill]

I could be wrong, but I think Hondo first initiated that style of scoop. I've always liked them. :thumbup:

Not close Bob Warren was making them as early as 58 to 60 I have one of the original on my Hurricane flat .They where. Done in a 2 piece wood mold then and then glassed together and finished to match I worked with Bob Warren here for 15 years and obtained the current scoop from him. They where a lot of different versions just like the bucket seats still around they where made from a oil barrel cut down and formed into seat Thanks Wild Bill

[gn7]

Not close Bob Warren was making them as early as 58 to 60 I have one of the original on my Hurricane flat .They where. Done in a 2 piece wood mold then and then glassed together and finished to match I worked with Bob Warren here for 15 years and obtained the current scoop from him. They where a lot of different versions just like the bucket seats still around they where made from a oil barrel cut down and formed into seat Thanks Wild Bill

he must have sold about 4 of them. Can't say I ever remember seeing one prior to Panic Mouse on a boat.

My guess is that Scott had a jump on them all when they were casting them in aluminum. Who built the first glass one is anybody's guess.
http://www.scottinjection.com/ad-5.jpg

[WESTERNAERO]

Needed one of these so I whipped one up real quick.
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[ogshotgun]

Needed one of these so I whipped one up real quick.
36707sweet nice to have skill

[wildbill]

gn7 there where more than 4 They started out on customs Bob was building in North Hollywood at the time if memory serves me right the design was aircraft inspired because of the heavy influence around L.A Westernareo some nice pieces there Wild Bill Sparks Nv.

[2manymustangs]

Needed one of these so I whipped one up real quick.
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Is that a blingy thing to hang on a silver chain around your neck? :smilies_mit_hut018:

[gn7]

Ok, I'll bite.

WHY are you running an electric fuel pump??

[WESTERNAERO]

Ok, I'll bite.

WHY are you running an electric fuel pump??

I was running a mechanical and an electric together. When the boat sank on the trailer the electric one got destroyed and the mechanical one is due for a rebuild. So instead of rebuilding and buying a new $300 pump to fix what I had, I bought a Weldon pump. Number one reason for the Weldon is, it's made in the USA. Number two for the Weldon is, I'm planning on converting to EFI soon. The Weldon works for both carbs and EFI with only a regulator change. Number three for the Weldon is, it's warrantied for life.

[78Southwind]

I was running a mechanical and an electric together. When the boat sank on the trailer the electric one got destroyed and the mechanical one is due for a rebuild. So instead of rebuilding and buying a new $300 pump to fix what I had, I bought a Weldon pump. Number one reason for the Weldon is, it's made in the USA. Number two for the Weldon is, I'm planning on converting to EFI soon. The Weldon works for both carbs and EFI with only a regulator change. Number three for the Weldon is, it's warrantied for life.

Boat sank? EFI?

[WESTERNAERO]

Boat sank? EFI?

Almost sank. Got it on the trailer just as water came over the transom.
So the exhaust used to exit through the transom under the water line. I was coming back from steamboat to Black Meadow it sounded very strange when I slowed to an idle. Looked in the back and the 4.0" exhaust hose was destroyed and you'd be amazed at how fast water can fill a boat though a 4" hole plus the water exiting the engine. Wife jumps out, runs to get the trailer, I head to the ramp. There was so much water it the boat already that the blower belt was throwing it around like a geyser. Motor stalls, my friend was already there following me around to the ramp, so we tie to his boat and he stars towing me. His boat is a jet boat and those squirt pumps can't pull the weight for shit so we couldn't get it on plane to have the water start to drain while we're moving. It just kept filling more and more. wife gets the trailer in the water buddy does this rodeo maneuver and swings me into the the trailer. We get it cranked on and down she went. Filled that fucker with water all the way to an inch under the breathers. That was the third time I've had an issue with it, so now you understand the 2 stage pump and filling the transom and merging the exhaust.

[WESTERNAERO]

Boat sank? EFI?

Efi, yes Efi. After the summer I will be making a hilborn style 4 hole injector setup with progressive linkage to each butterfly so it will be tunable. Each butterfly on it's own shaft and adjustable for travel.

[2manymustangs]

Efi, yes Efi. After the summer I will be making a hilborn style 4 hole injector setup with progressive linkage to each butterfly so it will be tunable. Each butterfly on it's own shaft and adjustable for travel.

Wow, I just got a visual... :) I'm thinking the middle two holes working in sequence and then the outside two holes coming in next... Versus front to back or back to front...


Injectors under the blower on the manifold (port injection)??? I would think that with port injection the engine wouldn't care too much what sequence you open the holes on top of the blower, unsure... A progressive set up would be good...

:popcorn:

[WESTERNAERO]

Wow, I just got a visual... :) I'm thinking the middle two holes working in sequence and then the outside two holes coming in next... Versus front to back or back to front...


Injectors under the blower on the manifold (port injection)??? I would think that with port injection the engine wouldn't care too much what sequence you open the holes on top of the blower, unsure...

:popcorn:

There are already mechanical injection setups converted, I know this. However the butterfly's still are on the same shaft and not very drive-able. So whats the point of EFI with these setups? If each butterfly is adjustable to the amount of travel it has and when it starts opening then it makes sense. You can control your CFM's and when they flow. And yes I know, why go through all the trouble when you can just bolt a couple 4150 throttle bodies on there and be done with it? Because they're not old school cool, that why.

[WESTERNAERO]

Wow, I just got a visual... :) I'm thinking the middle two holes working in sequence and then the outside two holes coming in next... Versus front to back or back to front...


Injectors under the blower on the manifold (port injection)??? I would think that with port injection the engine wouldn't care too much what sequence you open the holes on top of the blower, unsure... A progressive set up would be good...

:popcorn:

Probably injectors up top, the fuel will help keep things cool.

[gn7]

Had the same thing happen in a 23ft Hallett Day Cruiser. Noticed it at the landing and made a go for to Windsor. It took out the alternator, and with the bilge running and the HEI, the battery was going south fast. Like you said, it is amazing how fast that can fill a boat.

[HB Vic]

Had the same thing happen in a 23ft Hallett Day Cruiser. Noticed it at the landing and made a go for to Windsor. It took out the alternator, and with the bilge running and the HEI, the battery was going south fast. Like you said, it is amazing how fast that can fill a boat.

Did you say daycruiser? :D


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[gn7]

Did you say daycruiser? :D


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Yeah. Only 23 ft. The same size Dave equips each boat with, for ship to shore use.:speechless-smiley-0

[WESTERNAERO]

Okay the science experiment is finished finally. I don't know why the pictures make it look so massive, but it not that big actually.
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[ogshotgun]

Okay the science experiment is finished finally. I don't know why the pictures make it look so massive, but it not that big actually.
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very nicely done thats some talent !!! good job

[Hye power]

Real nice work.

[HotWater]

Okay the science experiment is finished finally. I don't know why the pictures make it look so massive, but it not that big actually.
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Remind's me of a little v4 :thumbup:

[WESTERNAERO]

The exhaust holes in the transom are filled. So I'm trying to decide if I should build new straight pipes or modify these to merge into one. Either way they are still going to be thru-transom and above the water line. If I merge them, they will end up with one oval shaped tip about 4" x 7". It will sound bitchin merged but it might be a bitch to work on. Opinions................
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[ogshotgun]

The exhaust holes in the transom are filled. So I'm trying to decide if I should build new straight pipes or modify these to merge into one. Either way they are still going to be thru-transom and above the water line. If I merge them, they will end up with one oval shaped tip about 4" x 7". It will sound bitchin merged but it might be a bitch to work on. Opinions................
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merge them

[gn7]

[QUOTE=WESTERNAERO;102341]The exhaust holes in the transom are filled. So I'm trying to decide if I should build new straight pipes or modify these to merge into one. Either way they are still going to be thru-transom and above the water line. If I merge them, they will end up with one oval shaped tip about 4" x 7". It will sound bitchin merged but it might be a bitch to work on. Opinions................


It will look a little unique, but it won't much different unless you merge them pretty close to the collector to increase the length of the single pipe. This didn't sound any different than without the merge oval. It doesn't matter how much pipe you have before the merge, if the merge happens near the end of the pipes, it does have much effect on the sound.

Now the builder of these ended up building a set of 180* headers to use with these, and that did change the sound, but it wasn't due to the collector.

http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89579&d=1290175043

[Mitch]

Pump and cover came out real nice !

[ptc]

Now the builder of these ended up building a set of 180* headers to use with these, and that did change the sound, but it wasn't due to the collector.

http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89579&d=1290175043

So Bob, where can I get a hold of one of these little dolls???? building some 180's myself



I agree merge them and come out the back with the flange on the exterior side, it will look cool as hell!

or combine them into 4into2 and split them like the new vette setup

http://wallpagez.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2015-corvette-2.jpg

[2manymustangs]

The exhaust holes in the transom are filled. So I'm trying to decide if I should build new straight pipes or modify these to merge into one. Either way they are still going to be thru-transom and above the water line. If I merge them, they will end up with one oval shaped tip about 4" x 7". It will sound bitchin merged but it might be a bitch to work on. Opinions................
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You could always go Old School VW Dune Buggy... :)

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[JusTrouble]

Ya, maybe everybody deserves a day off or two but I look forward to looking at your billet porn and unobtainium (you crack me up GN7) everyday and this dry spell has gone on long enough Westernaero. Post something man!

[WESTERNAERO]

No machine porn, I'm doing glasswork. The transom is all filled in and I've been applying gel and long blocking it in. I've got one more block session and it with be ready for final spray. Still need to mixed up a color matched batch of gel for this which is a pain. The inner transom is also finished but I need to go get a laminate to glass on for a nice wood finish. The floors and stringers I've been sanding and blocking so when I lay down the balsa and gel the finish work will be minimal.
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[gn7]

So Bob, where can I get a hold of one of these little dolls???? building some 180's myself





Nick Volare @ Madskillz

626-786-7779

I would put a splitter on the collector or you'll have zero collector/scavange effect.

[Sharp shooter]

Will this boat get capped?

[WESTERNAERO]

Will this boat get capped?

Not right now and probably never. Between Parker and havasu I tie up to too many docks to make myself nervous.

[78Southwind]

You got a full picture of your boat out of the water you can put up? I thought your boat was light blue where the white is because of the water reflection picture.

[WESTERNAERO]

You got a full picture of your boat out of the water you can put up? I thought your boat was light blue where the white is because of the water reflection picture.

It's a really fucked up color, I like it but its going to be a real bitch to match. I've been calling it seafoam green but it's a grey, Wimbledon white and ford 60's seafoam all mixed together. I'll sea if I can find a good pic that truly shows the color.

[ogshotgun]

No machine porn, I'm doing glasswork. The transom is all filled in and I've been applying gel and long blocking it in. I've got one more block session and it with be ready for final spray. Still need to mixed up a color matched batch of gel for this which is a pain. The inner transom is also finished but I need to go get a laminate to glass on for a nice wood finish. The floors and stringers I've been sanding and blocking so when I lay down the balsa and gel the finish work will be minimal.
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looking good nice work buddy

[JusTrouble]

I feel better now, even if it isnt machine porn. Thank you. Cant wait till tomorrow...

[WESTERNAERO]

Going to need one more spray and block it looks like.
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[78Southwind]

No machine porn, I'm doing glasswork. The transom is all filled in and I've been applying gel and long blocking it in. I've got one more block session and it with be ready for final spray. Still need to mixed up a color matched batch of gel for this which is a pain. The inner transom is also finished but I need to go get a laminate to glass on for a nice wood finish. The floors and stringers I've been sanding and blocking so when I lay down the balsa and gel the finish work will be minimal.
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I hope when you get some time you put up a detailed thread on this subject.

[WESTERNAERO]

I hope when you get some time you put up a detailed thread on this subject.

Jerry, What is it you want to know?

[78Southwind]

Jerry, What is it you want to know?

Filling in the transom and matching the gel color.

[2manymustangs]

It's a really fucked up color, I like it but its going to be a real bitch to match. I've been calling it seafoam green but it's a grey, Wimbledon white and ford 60's seafoam all mixed together. I'll sea if I can find a good pic that truly shows the color.

:) sounds like a nice FORD coctail of colors... :)

Hey, unless you’re dead set on sticking with GEL, don't discount the possibility of using some of the water base/waterborne special effects (pearls/transparent colors/flip flops) over a transparent base and then finishing it off with a quality automotive urethane clear...??? You could totally change those colors with candy topcoats either in a subtle way or in a BIG way…

Look up the effects on the AUTO AIR CUSTOM COLORS site, it doesnt require ovens or heat to set the paint, but it requires large volumes of air to get the stuff to flash... The DVDs that are available at the paint shops are really good at illustrating the effects/options with their paint line...

http://www.autoaircolors.com/ (http://www.autoaircolors.com/)

This one shows a magnum wagon which illustrates more subtle changes...

http://www.autoaircolors.com/gallery.html#prettyPhoto[russgerner]/0/ (http://www.autoaircolors.com/gallery.html#prettyPhoto[russgerner]/0/)

Check out these CANDY effect color changes with basic foundation colors like your silver/grey...

http://www.autoaircolors.com/files/4600.pdf (http://www.autoaircolors.com/files/4600.pdf)


http://www.createxcolors.com/techcharts (http://www.createxcolors.com/techcharts)

[WESTERNAERO]

:) sounds like a nice FORD coctail of colors... :)

Hey, unless you’re dead set on sticking with GEL, don't discount the possibility of using some of the water base/waterborne special effects (pearls/transparent colors/flip flops) over a transparent base and then finishing it off with a quality automotive urethane clear...??? You could totally change those colors with candy topcoats either in a subtle way or in a BIG way…

Look up the effects on the AUTO AIR CUSTOM COLORS site, it doesnt require ovens or heat to set the paint, but it requires large volumes of air to get the stuff to flash... The DVDs that are available at the paint shops are really good at illustrating the effects/options with their paint line..
I'm only doing the transom 2MM...

[2manymustangs]

Even easier / better... :)

[WESTERNAERO]

Filling in the transom and matching the gel color.

Okay, filling the holes.
Clean any old silicon, grease or gunk off the outside and inside. If you have to sand or grind it away, do it. It just fiberglass and you can build it back up or fill it later.
Go to a boat builder or repair shop and ask for a scrap of marine ply. There's no need to spend $150 for a sheet if you only need two 4" circles. offer to buy them a cold one or something. Get some wood doweling from the depot or hobby shop.
You're going to need laminating resin and mat. I used layers of 2 oz mat. Don't buy the resin from an auto store or the depot. Get it from a supply house, make sure it's fresh, this stuff has a shelf life. The older it gets the more unreliable it is on the kick time. You'll also need something called PVA, it's basically alcohol based liquid plastic wrap and used to seal out the air so you get a 100% cure and no stickiness after each coat. You can skip the PVA after each coat because laminating resin after cure is ready to accept another coat, but I like to rough body work between, so I use it between each step.
Around each hole about 2-3 inches out from the edge you need to grind or D/A sand a depression that feathers to the transom surface. Basically, grind it deep at the edge of the hole and as you get further out it blends shallower to the finished surface. I use 36 grit for this.
Small holes, like bolt holes, I drill larger first. Use a 3/8 drill for 5/16 dowel.
I like to apply masking tape to the outside of the transom and work from the inside first. So cover all the holes that need filling completely with masking tape, you're basically damming up the hole so the resin doesn't run out and this helps hold the wood in place. After you damn up the holes find something about 3/16 thick and stick it to the tape right in the middle, this will hold the wood at a depth that you can fill from the outside with out grinding it back. Cut your doweling about 1/2" longer than the transom is thick, make sure you have enough cut for each hole so you can do all the holes at once.
When you buy resin from a supplier they have all kinds of free info on mixing, temps, kick time and what not. Read it! You never want to cook the resin, meaning adding too much hardener/MEKP. Don't want to read it? Talk to the salesman, and write down some notes or whatever.I don't do much glass work so I like the slower kick times, it gives me more time to take my time.
Plan ahead, cut up some mat in pieces that you're going to need. Don't just cut up some pieces, cut them to sizes and patterns you're going to use. Cut up as many pieces as you have dowels cut about 2" x 2". Also chop up some mat into a mess or pile of tiny pieces or just buy a bag of chopped strands.
Clean all the areas with acetone.
Mix your resin, get a chip brush, lay out your two circle cut plywood, lay out your dowels and your cut pieces of mat. Brush resin into all the holes pre-wetting everywhere. Dip the dowel and 2x2 pieces of mat in the cup of resin. Lay the resined mat over the pre-drilled 3/8 hole. Push the mat into the hole with the wet dowel, you won't be able to push it through by hand as the mat starts to close around the dowel. Use an old shitty hammer you don't mind getting resin on and pound it through until it comes out the other side. Make sure the mat makes it all or most of the way through with the dowel to avoid any voids or air pockets. Do this to all the small holes. Now wet you ply wood piece and lay it in the large hole, don't push it too hard, let it rest against the 3/16 spacer in the middle of the tape. If you can put some pieces of mat in around the plywood do it now. If not, use the chopped mat and resin and start stuffing it in to all the voids. Make sure there are no air pockets. Also you really need to try and make sure you have more glass than resin. The glass is the filler, not the resin, but also make sure all the glass is wet.
Now that all your holes are filled or mostly filled, you'll have some left over resin in the cup. Take a look at it every 15 minutes or so. When it becomes hard or you can now apply the PVA. You can put it in a squirt bottle or you can brush it on, just make sure all the resin gets covered. You really want to use the PVA at this point because you're going to need to grind all the dowels and hardened mat down. The PVA is going to allow the resin to cure all the way, so the surface you have to grind won't have the waxy sticky layer that just loads up the wheel or paper.
So I'll let this sit for a couple days to allow for a full cure and shrinkage. Now you'll need to grind everything down and level with the areas that you already ground down. You'll need to cut mat patterns. So for the 4" holes you'll need circle patterns cut that get increasingly bigger, 5", 6",7", 8".
Wash the transom with a mild soap and water, making sure you've gotten the grinding dust out of all the pinholes. Let that dry fully and wash with acetone.
Mix your resin again and lay out you supplies. Wet the areas and then starting with the smallest circle pattern lay it right in the middle covering the plywood. Use the brush and wet and work out any air in the the mat. Continue this with all the patterns going from smallest to largest. You should have enough layers that the level of the repair area is now slightly high than the transoms surface. Do this for all the repair or fill areas on the transom. The process is the same for both outside and inside. When it's time, apply the PVA. Let this sit for a few days or a week, work on something else, engine, electrical, etc.

So now that everything is filled and built up a little high, it needs to be roughed in. I use a D/A sander with a 6" round pad and 80 grit paper. But you can use a mudhog or what ever you have. Take it down to a @unthair below the transom surface, being very careful to not remove too much of the materials you just put on. This type of work becomes easier and faster with practice so if you're not used to working with your hands and these tools, take your time and make it as nice as you can. It will save you more work later and materials.
Now that the high areas are below the surface I use an airfile with 80 grit to rough in the surrounding area. Again clean the surface. Mix a small batch of gel. I add a little pigment to the gel so it is a different color than the original color. I do this so when I start to long block/bodywork it flat I can see the highs and lows easier. Same concept as spraying a guide coat with out using guide coat. You can see in the pics the different colors on the different layers of gel. Mask anything you don't want over-spray on and lay it down. Clean your gun and keep an eye on the leftover gel in the mixing cup. When it starts to harden apply the PVA.

Okay, I've got work to do, I'll edit and continue later.

[gn7]

Now 2MM thinks he's Billy B.

[WESTERNAERO]

Hey Trouble, here's your machine porn for the day. I forgot I needed a timing indicator for the new front cover. So, here you go.
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[JusTrouble]

Thanks for that. Ive been waiting. Now I might be able to sleep tonight. As usual, awesome. Kinda makes ya want to roll it between your fingers...

[JusTrouble]

And thanks for the tutorial above. I printed it out and Im almost half way thru it. Adding it to my knowledge base. Have to go slow to try and absorb it. I do better with pics

[WESTERNAERO]

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Floors and balsa going in.

[WESTERNAERO]

Haven't updated in a while. Here's the floors and transom as of a week ago, it's actually further along I just need to take some pics. Should be close to spraying final gel on the transom and inside stringers and border around the wood after the weekend.
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[WESTERNAERO]

Before and after. :thumb:
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[Sharp shooter]

It's coming out really nice! Thanks for the update!

[ogshotgun]

Before and after. :thumb:
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looks good !!! want to finish mine?

[SnoC653]

Floor looks great. Are you going to add a blast plate to the bottom?

[WESTERNAERO]

Floor looks great. Are you going to add a blast plate to the bottom?

Yes, probably next winter, as I'm running out of time to do everything I wanted. Gonna be a lot of old hardware going back in it for the summer.

[SnoC653]

Sounds like you have your priorities right. Enjoy the boat during the boating season and modify during the winter. Just wish I had half your talent and equipment to work on my winter projects.

[Propless]

I just found this thread and drooled all over my keyboard. WESTERNAERO, that timing cover/waterpump creation is a work of art !!!

[2manymustangs]

Hey Trouble, here's your machine porn for the day. I forgot I needed a timing indicator for the new front cover. So, here you go.
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Ever see the movie Inception? :)

http://youtu.be/ksjTWm9XaII

[JusTrouble]

[QUOTE=2manymustangs;110602]Ever see the movie Inception? :)

Yes, actually. I have seen that movie. Ok, let me see if I can follow this line of thought. So Westernaero sucked me into this dream that he was controlling and made me believe it was real, constantly wanting more billet porn but he couldnt keep up the pace that he set and eventually my dream collapsed from basic starvation. Something like that. So does this mean he is real? or not? Maybe just not from this planet? Geese.

[WESTERNAERO]

[QUOTE=2manymustangs;110602]Ever see the movie Inception? :)

Yes, actually. I have seen that movie. Ok, let me see if I can follow this line of thought. So Westernaero sucked me into this dream that he was controlling and made me believe it was real, constantly wanting more billet porn but he couldnt keep up the pace that he set and eventually my dream collapsed from basic starvation. Something like that. So does this mean he is real? or not? Maybe just not from this planet? Geese.
What the fuck???? :lmao:lmao:lmao

[2manymustangs]

[QUOTE=JusTrouble;110620]
What the fuck???? :lmao:lmao:lmao

That movie was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw your timing pointer post :thumb:

[2manymustangs]

Cmon Westernaero, pics please.... :)

[Bite Me]

When is this jet-boat gonna be ready...June is almost here...

[Mrs.K034]

Are you going to run her this summer? Or just set her aside until you're done?

[WESTERNAERO]

Are you going to run her this summer? Or just set her aside until you're done?

The floors and transom are as done as they are going to be for now. It's going together this week and I'll pull it back apart after summer to finish the all the glass and gel work.
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[78Southwind]

The floors and transom are as done as they are going to be for now. It's going together this week and I'll pull it back apart after summer to finish the all the glass and gel work.
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F*cking Tease...

[WESTERNAERO]

F*cking Tease...

Why tease? The floors and transom are done less the blue pin stripe and color sand and buff, which will get done after the summer.

[78Southwind]

Why tease? The floors and transom are done less the blue pin stripe and color sand and buff, which will get done after the summer.

You only gave us one picture.

[Mrs.K034]

I think the floors look great!! Can't wait to see them all done. You know how much I love the floors in boats. 😀

[SFV2RVR]

Some time in May. Marc says it won't happen. I'm going to prove him wrong......:biggrin:

How's proving me wrong workin out for ya?! you got 4 days left in the month of May buddy! :sheep1:

[WESTERNAERO]

How's proving me wrong workin out for ya?! you got 4 days left in the month of May buddy! :sheep1:

Almost done fucker.... It's a boat build, not watches or hoopty cars so whats it matter anyway? No one here gives a shit about hot rod boats AKA hot boats...

[78Southwind]

How about more pictures!

[HotWater]

Almost done fucker.... It's a boat build, not watches or hoopty cars so whats it matter anyway? No one here gives a shit about hot rod boats AKA hot boats...

Aahahaha!

[ogshotgun]

Almost done fucker.... It's a boat build, not watches or hoopty cars so whats it matter anyway? No one here gives a shit about hot rod boats AKA hot boats...
well i won't say nobody but very very very few care about boats in general

[WESTERNAERO]

For those wondering, here's where it stands. got too busy with work and everything came to a halt.
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[78Southwind]

Looking Good. :DSo are you putting her back together and calling it river time?

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