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ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 09:23 AM
Well it's just about time. Gotta get one proposal off my desk this morning and it's time to burn some gas. First stop is San Francisco to see my Dad. Pretty much packed up and ready to go! Once the house sitters get to my house this afternoon, I'm hittin the road.

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Why didn't anybody ever tell me that TapaTalk is free? I was actually going to pay for it to document this trip. Had I known it was free I could have been posting cool stuff a long time ago!

WMC
08-02-2013, 09:36 AM
I paid for mine. :mad:

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niceguyeddie
08-02-2013, 10:51 AM
No shit!

HB Vic
08-02-2013, 11:22 AM
Have a good trip!! Try to keep it under 85, those tubs don't like high speed. Ask me how I know lol. I owe you a phone call.

rschap1
08-02-2013, 11:31 AM
Enjoy
BE safe

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 11:58 AM
Have a good trip!! Try to keep it under 85, those tubs don't like high speed. Ask me how I know lol. I owe you a phone call.

You definitely know when you hit over 80......even without looking at the speedometer.


Enjoy
BE safe

Have a lot of valuable merchandise on board. Will be taking my time and enjoying the scenery. Lookin forward to being on the Oregon coast at sundown.......

GRADS
08-02-2013, 12:57 PM
Be careful when backing up in San Francisco.....and be careful when driving the motorhome as well. ;)

Stainless
08-02-2013, 02:47 PM
Looking forward to your pics Mateo!

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 04:18 PM
Teague!

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 04:20 PM
Pics won't load as I sit on grape vine.

Wicky
08-02-2013, 04:38 PM
Enjoy the trip Jesse Pinkman!!

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 05:39 PM
Teague!

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ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 05:40 PM
Castaic 14051

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 05:42 PM
Out!!!!

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ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 05:52 PM
Not the best location. Not one car in the lot and its a but place. Not sure what town I'm in. Warmin up dinner. 14053

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 06:11 PM
Travel snack of champions!14054

Napanutt
08-02-2013, 06:53 PM
Well it's just about time. Gotta get one proposal off my desk this morning and it's time to burn some gas. First stop is San Francisco to see my Dad. Pretty much packed up and ready to go! Once the house sitters get to my house this afternoon, I'm hittin the road.

Where abouts in San Fran and for how long? There's a few bay area peeps in the area.

Cigalert
08-02-2013, 09:09 PM
Does this mean I'm not getting an email this week?

Have fun....road trips are always a blast

Sent from my hemDROID

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 11:58 PM
Where abouts in San Fran and for how long? There's a few bay area peeps in the area.

Clayton. Just here for tomorrow then off to Eureka.

ChumpChange
08-02-2013, 11:59 PM
Does this mean I'm not getting an email this week?

Have fun....road trips are always a blast

Sent from my hemDROID

I have people. ;)

ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 08:37 AM
Mornin from Mt. Diablo!14085

ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 03:35 PM
Bridge14118

ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 03:52 PM
Delta? I'm on 101 at 116

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Napanutt
08-03-2013, 05:41 PM
Clayton. Just here for tomorrow then off to Eureka.

I see. My best friend lives in Concord, right next to Clayton. It's about a half hour from me.
Carry on. :D

Napanutt
08-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Bridge14118
The Richmond-San Rafael bridge to be exact. W/B 580 towards San Rafael/hwy 101

Napanutt
08-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Delta? I'm on 101 at 116

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Not really. An extension of the SF bay, sort of, in Petaluma.
Technically, though, you could drive a boat from there to where we boat at on the delta.

ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 09:40 PM
Trees! Redwoods!14162

ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 09:41 PM
Paper Mill off 101. HUGE!

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ChumpChange
08-03-2013, 09:42 PM
Well when I drive into the marine layer while approaching Eureka, it became evident my windshield wipers do not work. This is especially disturbing not only because of where I'm heading but because delivery was held up due to them "replacing" a bad wiper regulator. Good times Giant RV!

Napanutt
08-03-2013, 11:22 PM
Well when I drive into the marine layer while approaching Eureka, it became evident my windshield wipers do not work. This is especially disturbing not only because of where I'm heading but because delivery was held up due to them "replacing" a bad wiper regulator. Good times Giant RV!

Hey, just wait till it rattles to no end, they all do. :D

GRADS
08-04-2013, 12:05 AM
Looks like you drove through Napanutts and Grads country....I must have my phone turned off.:hmmm:

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 08:00 AM
Just a quick sleep and dump in Eureka. Where's the sun?
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Rattles have been here from the beginning. No worse freeway for a straight axle front end than the 10. I love smooth highways. Will be in Reedsport, OR at some point today. No destination within there to stay just yet lol.

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 08:24 AM
Ballin
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HB Vic
08-04-2013, 11:01 AM
Those are very cool. Maybe one day when I become a banker and can afford the fuel for a bus like that 😁

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 11:47 AM
Those are very cool. Maybe one day when I become a banker and can afford the fuel for a bus like that 😁

First fuel up yesterday and I got 7.27mpg from Claremont to Clayton. Next fuel stop in Oregon where it's 40cents cheaper and they'll pump it for me!

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 12:59 PM
Self explanatory

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GotHalos
08-04-2013, 01:04 PM
Self explanatory

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Half moon bay?

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 02:43 PM
Awesome views!
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ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 02:44 PM
Gas jockey!

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HB Vic
08-04-2013, 04:48 PM
Yeah I hate that part.

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 05:50 PM
More coastline.

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ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 05:51 PM
More trees!

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ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 05:52 PM
More parking. Oregon Dunes!

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ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 05:56 PM
Nice setup. Optimus Prime style!

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GotHalos
08-04-2013, 08:56 PM
Jealous.

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 09:00 PM
I'll get pics of what rolled in late today. Monaco as big as they come with a matching stacker. Both tan and maroon. Some nice dunin' hardware around here.

ChumpChange
08-04-2013, 09:03 PM
Put some more fuel in today and the trip from Clayton to just north of the CA / OR border I averaged 10.7mpg. Was surprised as there was a lot of changing elevation driving. I guess speed is the difference as I was running 75 up the 5 freeway the first day and took my time on the 101 yesterday and today.

GasBuddy App is awesome!

ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 08:07 AM
Now that's money!

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HB Vic
08-05-2013, 08:31 AM
Put some more fuel in today and the trip from Clayton to just north of the CA / OR border I averaged 10.7mpg. Was surprised as there was a lot of changing elevation driving. I guess speed is the difference as I was running 75 up the 5 freeway the first day and took my time on the 101 yesterday and today.

GasBuddy App is awesome!

I get around 10-11 pretty much all the time. Was blown away how good the mileage is considering. The previous moho was the old V10. It was a pig and sucked up gas like it was free. Nice trip. Someday when I can leave this place for more than a day or two at a time.

Wendi
08-05-2013, 08:59 AM
Very cool looks like a fun time. I want to do a road trip up the coast too! We road tripped a few times to Sun River/Bend Oregon when our son was little. Fun times.

ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 09:32 AM
Clear Lake. Gettin gas in Reedsport ($3.65) and cutting across 38 to catch the 5 to Portland.

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ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 09:53 AM
Elk...

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ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 02:52 PM
Ahhh yeah!

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HB Vic
08-05-2013, 03:37 PM
You're killing me man. That's looks like an absolutely bitchin trip that we need to take asap. Wow!!

ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 05:30 PM
Jet boat's suck!

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ChumpChange
08-05-2013, 07:38 PM
Had some friends from way back in the day when banking was good roll in today. Good times!

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ChumpChange
08-06-2013, 11:57 AM
City driving.

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Stainless
08-06-2013, 12:52 PM
City driving.

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Ate lunch there once, cool view!

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:02 PM
Well I've been way back in the mountains at a lake where there was no service and awesome boating. So let me catch you up.

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:04 PM
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Gotta love a private dock.....

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:05 PM
Should we go fishin?

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ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:06 PM
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Or tubin?

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:07 PM
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Dinner view.

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:08 PM
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Sunset fishin.

HB Vic
08-07-2013, 02:09 PM
Well it looks like you're having a horrible time. Sure wish I could have a horrible time like that someday. Very nice!!

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:10 PM
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Some local real estate.....

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:11 PM
......

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ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:11 PM
She'll drive from here...

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ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:12 PM
Just pulled up to another lake to meet some friends. Of to take a dip in Lake Samammich or something like that....

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 02:16 PM
View now....

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Wendi
08-07-2013, 03:55 PM
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Gotta love a private dock.....

Wow that is an awesome view and yes the dock is cool too

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 03:55 PM
1484.2 miles on the tripometer so far. Leavin for Pendleton now and then Boise tomorrow.

HB Vic
08-07-2013, 04:03 PM
1484.2 miles on the tripometer so far. Leavin for Pendleton now and then Boise tomorrow.

Sounds and looks like an awesome trip. We're going somewhere tomorrow. I have absolutely no idea where. I'm leaving that up to the camp leader. I'm not even sure if I'm driving or they have that covered as well. I'll say this though, if I'm not driving, I'm drinking :drinkin:

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 05:12 PM
Pedregon racing trucks behind me

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ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 05:13 PM
Passing him. 14653

Stainless
08-07-2013, 05:25 PM
Should we go fishin?

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Mateo, a lot of awesome pictures, but this one is the best yet! ;)

Stainless
08-07-2013, 05:48 PM
Passing him. 14653

I love everything about this picture except CPeds hauler is in it. :D

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 09:20 PM
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Sunset behind me. Back in Oregon on the Oregon Trail.

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 09:26 PM
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Sunset behind me. Back in Oregon on the Oregon Trail.

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 09:28 PM
I love everything about this picture except CPeds hauler is in it. :D

They were racing. Seriously they kept passing each other!

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ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 09:29 PM
Cascades.....

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RVRKID
08-07-2013, 09:31 PM
Sounds like a great trip so far..

ChumpChange
08-07-2013, 09:44 PM
Mateo, a lot of awesome pictures, but this one is the best yet! ;)

Here's a good one too! Boy didn't quite make it around the lake. I know....where's my HotBoat hat?!!!!

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GotHalos
08-07-2013, 10:00 PM
Mateo, a lot of awesome pictures, but this one is the best yet! ;)

LOL, x2!! :thumbup:

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 09:57 AM
I see a loooooooong way

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ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 01:32 PM
Boise!

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HB Vic
08-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Here's a good one too! Boy didn't quite make it around the lake. I know....where's my HotBoat hat?!!!!

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Great pic! I thought we had the hat thing all taken care of?? wha happen?

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 03:49 PM
Great pic! I thought we had the hat thing all taken care of?? wha happen?

Put something together and something came up and wasn't able to put anything else together prior to trip. I was just too slammed to make it out there prior.

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 03:50 PM
Just pulled up to my spot in the river. Time to go fishin.

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 05:34 PM
River was flowin!

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HB Vic
08-08-2013, 06:10 PM
Well we're going somewhere too lol 14670

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 06:25 PM
Idaho. These are Wicky's people!

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Stainless
08-08-2013, 06:29 PM
Idaho. These are Wicky's people!

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Funny you mentioned him, I was gonna say it when you posted the Boise pic. :D

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 06:53 PM
Gonna need to close some more bidness....

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niceguyeddie
08-08-2013, 07:55 PM
Passing him. 14653

Cool pic! Looks beautiful there!

RVRKID
08-08-2013, 09:05 PM
Idaho. These are Wicky's people!

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They headin back to their pusher in the pic??:happy:

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 09:57 PM
They headin back to their pusher in the pic??:happy:

lol. They had a van like Rico's from Napoleon Dynamite.

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 09:58 PM
Great views.

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ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 09:58 PM
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Fly fishin

ChumpChange
08-08-2013, 09:59 PM
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.......

RVRKID
08-08-2013, 11:15 PM
lol. They had a van like Rico's from Napoleon Dynamite.

Haha that would be great to see with pushers and your new ride!

ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 01:41 PM
Not much to see.

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ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 06:13 PM
Another Capital

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ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 06:15 PM
Most people here would think this is the Capital building.

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ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 06:44 PM
Many casualties on this leg.

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ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 06:45 PM
This may have been a small bird.

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Stainless
08-09-2013, 07:56 PM
Most people here would think this is the Capital building.

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Googled, couldn't find a pic. Moscow Idaho?

ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 08:58 PM
If you know where post 103 is the capital of then you'll get post 104.

Napanutt
08-09-2013, 09:20 PM
If you know where post 103 is the capital of then you'll get post 104.
Mormon territory?

ChumpChange
08-09-2013, 09:57 PM
Yup. Salt Lake City! So that's the Mormon Temple.

ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 07:27 AM
Hmmmmm

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 07:47 AM
Baller status. 45 footer.

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 07:48 AM
Another sick coach. Nice peeps too from HB.

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 10:12 AM
Camping.......lol

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rivermobster
08-10-2013, 11:06 AM
Dude, awesome pics!!! :thumbup:

ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 12:05 PM
Headin to Grandma's so off to Lehi.

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 04:22 PM
Open road

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 04:35 PM
......

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 04:59 PM
Could it?

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ChumpChange
08-10-2013, 05:00 PM
Just an exit.....

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 11:00 AM
Last leg

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 11:11 AM
Gorge.

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 11:48 AM
......

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 12:09 PM
Vegas from far.

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Stainless
08-11-2013, 12:33 PM
Mateo, making it home today?

ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 01:14 PM
Traffic s'mores.

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 01:16 PM
Mateo, making it home today?

Yup. What time is up in the air. Bad plan to run this part on Sunday but I have a busy work week already scheduled. If my Tuesday meeting goes as planned I'll take the rest of the year off! Haha

ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 01:31 PM
Almost to Cali!

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 01:38 PM
Still a long way to go.

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 02:30 PM
......

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 02:36 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzz

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Wicky
08-11-2013, 03:13 PM
Sorry I missed ya in Idaho!!!! Always good meeting new peeps who enjoy life!!

ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 03:21 PM
I'm smugglin.....

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 05:15 PM
Almost.

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ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 05:16 PM
Done.

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Stainless
08-11-2013, 05:19 PM
Done.

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Damn, you had it pegged for 3000 miles!

Stainless
08-11-2013, 05:21 PM
I would be interested to know how you did on fuel with the variety of terrain you traveled. I have a 34' workhorse with 8.1.

ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 06:52 PM
Damn, you had it pegged for 3000 miles!

I was thinking about taking the next exit past my house. I think it would have put me there exactly. I was quite impressed.


I would be interested to know how you did on fuel with the variety of terrain you traveled. I have a 34' workhorse with 8.1.

I have every receipt for gas. Gonna need to calculate tomorrow at work as I need a calculator with more digits.

Stainless
08-11-2013, 07:13 PM
I hear ya, there may be more economical ways to travel, but MoHos are a lot of fun!

HB Vic
08-11-2013, 07:25 PM
I have every receipt for gas. Gonna need to calculate tomorrow at work as I need a calculator with more digits.

Lol don't you bankers always round us up??

ChumpChange
08-11-2013, 07:38 PM
Lol don't you bankers always round us up??

The sales guys do. The credit admins always seem to round down.

ChumpChange
08-12-2013, 11:06 AM
Well I took the RV to the shop to get some warranty work done and some of the stuff I negotiated at purchase to be done at a later time. Overall, it was a successful trip. Left my wallet at home so I can't calculate mileage like I wanted to and I need someone to buy me lunch!

A few things I learned:
Driving with no windshield wipers in a moonsoon downpoor sucks when your windshield is flat.
Accidently pulling the black tank valve really really reall really sucks! It got caught in the cap but you know that cap has to come off to attach the drain hose. I now put my hose elsewhere so it doesn't catch that handle when pulling it out of the compartment.
There is a speed governor at 77 miles per hour. The only time that going 77mph is acceptable is with a tail wind.
Hydraulic jacks rock!
There are always bigger fish out there although I don't think I'd buy a Monaco even if I could. Who am I kidding. Yes I would.
Again, pulling the black tank valve really really really really sucks when not ready.
My estimated miles per gallon was off just due to how much gas I see that I charged on my card.

I need another vacation!

Stainless
08-12-2013, 11:11 AM
This was a great ride-along Mateo.
I've only had mine out once, Tucson to Havasu, I think gas mileage was 7, not towing.

HB Vic
08-12-2013, 12:18 PM
Well I took the RV to the shop to get some warranty work done and some of the stuff I negotiated at purchase to be done at a later time. Overall, it was a successful trip. Left my wallet at home so I can't calculate mileage like I wanted to and I need someone to buy me lunch!

A few things I learned:
Driving with no windshield wipers in a moonsoon downpoor sucks when your windshield is flat.
Accidently pulling the black tank valve really really reall really sucks! It got caught in the cap but you know that cap has to come off to attach the drain hose. I now put my hose elsewhere so it doesn't catch that handle when pulling it out of the compartment.
There is a speed governor at 77 miles per hour. The only time that going 77mph is acceptable is with a tail wind.
Hydraulic jacks rock!
There are always bigger fish out there although I don't think I'd buy a Monaco even if I could. Who am I kidding. Yes I would.
Again, pulling the black tank valve really really really really sucks when not ready.
My estimated miles per gallon was off just due to how much gas I see that I charged on my card.

I need another vacation!

Don't you have a macerator in that beast?? Oh man you gotta get one. Best thing I never knew I bought. Its kinda disgusting to listen to it when its doing its magic, but its the best things since whip cream in a can as far as I'm concerned. And yeah, I agree on the hyd jacks. They work great!!

Cole Trickle
08-12-2013, 01:58 PM
looks like a great family trip:)

ChumpChange
08-12-2013, 02:17 PM
looks like a great family trip:)

One of the best! Crazy spending 10 days with kids 24/7 and then having to go back to work. The little boy was sad this morning wondering where I was going.

wsuwrhr
08-13-2013, 08:13 AM
Good thread. Read the whole thing. Should have told me this was a play by play before you left. Motorhomes are the best, I have continuously owned a coach since I was 18, I am on #3 and will never got to tents or trailers again. There is much more to a vacation with the family than MPG.

ChumpChange
08-14-2013, 01:47 PM
There is much more to a vacation with the family than MPG.

Absolutely.......but even though there is more to it, I'm still gonna calculate it, if not for myself, for Carbon. So my spreadsheet is attached. You will note the mileage is different because I did not fill up when I got home so I wrote down my mileage at the last station I knew to be filling up at which was just north of Vegas.

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Brian
08-14-2013, 02:11 PM
I would assume there was generator running time not calculated in here?

wsuwrhr
08-14-2013, 02:33 PM
For Carbon?


Absolutely.......but even though there is more to it, I'm still gonna calculate it, if not for myself, for Carbon. So my spreadsheet is attached. You will note the mileage is different because I did not fill up when I got home so I wrote down my mileage at the last station I knew to be filling up at which was just north of Vegas.




I would assume there was generator running time not calculated in here?

Something I didn't think of really, it is a lawnmower engine, but it still uses fuel Mateo.

Stainless
08-14-2013, 03:11 PM
Absolutely.......but even though there is more to it, I'm still gonna calculate it, if not for myself, for Carbon. So my spreadsheet is attached. You will note the mileage is different because I did not fill up when I got home so I wrote down my mileage at the last station I knew to be filling up at which was just north of Vegas.

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Thanks Mateo, that about the same or better than I get. If you ran genset that's even better. Nice that you didn't encounter any over $4 also!

ChumpChange
08-14-2013, 03:17 PM
I would assume there was generator running time not calculated in here?

Good catch. Probably two gallons at most(four hours running time) which would equate to approxomately two hundredths of a mile per gallon. We had electical hookups in all locations and the only time we really had the generator running was going up hills such as the Grape Vine and Baker Hill and when parked in the lot when I was checking in to our places. We run a converter for the TV when driving.


For Carbon?

Yeah....You see that guy that posted below yours? :action-smiley-070:


Thanks Mateo, that about the same or better than I get. If you ran genset that's even better. Nice that you didn't encounter any over $4 also!

I said it before in this thread and I'll say it again. Get the GasBuddy App. Prevented many costly mistakes when it came to getting fuel. It felt like I had a headwind the entire trip. There were monsoons coming from the East when I was travelling East which brought an unneeded head wind where one usually wouldn't exist. This would generally be the opposite which would increase mileage.

And is all of Utah uphill? Both ways? And another fyi.....Utah's lowest octane is 85, not 87 like everywhere else! Gotta watch out for that!

GRADS
08-14-2013, 09:11 PM
Great thread and pics! Only 2.5 miles off on the title.:thumb:

Wicky
08-14-2013, 11:25 PM
Classic!! How did you get that pic of me and the Mrs?

wsuwrhr
08-15-2013, 07:19 AM
Yeah....You see that guy that posted below yours? :action-smiley-070:




Noted.

ChumpChange
02-10-2014, 03:28 PM
Just bumping this up right before the next adventure. I don't have the route so I can't guess mileage yet but the new adventure is coming soon!

ChumpChange
02-10-2014, 03:30 PM
Travel snack of champions!14054

lol. Just picked up a couple more boxes of these for the trip. Loads of Girl Scout cookies too!

Stainless
02-10-2014, 03:41 PM
Just bumping this up right before the next adventure. I don't have the route so I can't guess mileage yet but the new adventure is coming soon!

Looking forward to it, I enjoyed the thread last trip.


CH3NO2

GRADS
02-10-2014, 04:09 PM
Just bumping this up right before the next adventure. I don't have the route so I can't guess mileage yet but the new adventure is coming soon!

Will this one take you through NorCal?

ChumpChange
02-10-2014, 04:15 PM
Will this one take you through NorCal?

Nope. Headin East on the 40 til I get about half way through the United States and back on the 10.

riverrunner1984
02-10-2014, 04:19 PM
Are you going by NM?
My grandparents took me here on a road trip when I was 10 or 12. Really thought it was a cool place.
Its a bit off the 10 but def worth the visit if you are into these types of things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlsbad_Caverns_National_Park

DC-88
02-10-2014, 08:00 PM
Are you going by NM?
My grandparents took me here on a road trip when I was 10 or 12. Really thought it was a cool place.
Its a bit off the 10 but def worth the visit if you are into these types of things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlsbad_Caverns_National_Park
X2---We took our boys there a few years back on a travel baseball/road trip loop and it was really cool. Not too many bats flew out at night, so on the way home when we went by our Havasu place they wanted to go to a canyon we used to go shooting at back when I was in high school and we saw more bats fly than at Carlsbad which was weird.